Report: Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad's order

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The Syrian military is prepared to use chemical weapons against its own people and is awaiting final orders from President Bashar Assad, U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday.

The military has loaded the precursor chemicals for sarin, a deadly nerve gas, into aerial bombs that could be dropped onto the Syrian people from dozens of fighter-bombers, the officials said.

As recently as Tuesday, officials had said there was as yet no evidence that the process of mixing the "precursor" chemicals had begun. But Wednesday, they said their worst fears had been confirmed: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs.

Sarin is an extraordinarily lethal agent. Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's forces killed 5,000 Kurds with a single sarin attack on Halabja in 1988.

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reiterated U.S. warnings to Assad not to use chemical weapons, saying he would be crossing "a red line" if he did so.

Speaking Wednesday at NATO headquarters in Brussels, Clinton said the Syrian government was on the brink of collapse, raising the prospect that "an increasingly desperate Assad regime" might turn to chemical weapons or that the banned weapons could fall into other hands.

"Ultimately, what we should be thinking about is a political transition in Syria and one that should start as soon as possible," Clinton said. "We believe their fall is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people have to die before that occurs."

Aides told NBC News that Clinton was expected next week to officially recognize the main opposition movement, the National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, with which she is scheduled to meet in Morocco. Britain, France, Turkey and some key Arab leaders have already recognized the opposition.

Fighting intensified Wednesday in the 21-month civil war, which has left 40,000 people dead. The U.N. withdrew its personnel from Damascus, saying conditions were too dangerous.

The government said this week that it wouldn't use chemical weapons on its own people after President Barack Obama warned that doing so would be "totally unacceptable."

But U.S. officials said this week that the government had ordered its Chemical Weapons Corps to "be prepared," which Washington interpreted as a directive to begin bringing together the components needed to weaponize Syria's chemical stockpiles.

That process would involve mixing "precursor" chemicals for the deadly nerve gas sarin, which could be used in artillery shells, U.S. officials told NBC News, stressing that there was no evidence that process had as yet begun.

U.S. officials had long believed that the Syrian government was stockpiling the banned chemical weapons before it acknowledged possessing them this summer.

NBC News reported in Julythat U.S. intelligence agencies believed that in addition to sarin, Syria had access to tabun, a chemical nerve agent, as well as traditional chemical weapons like mustard gas and hydrogen cyanide.

Officials told NBC News at the time that the Syrian government was moving the outlawed weapons around the country, leaving foreign intelligence agencies unsure where they might end up.

Syria is one of only seven nations that hasn't ratified the 1992 Chemical Weapons Convention, the arms control agreement that outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of such weapons.

Bombshells filled with chemicals can be carried by Syrian Air Force fighter-bombers, in particular Sukhoi-22/20, MiG-23 and Sukhoi-24 aircraft. In addition, some reports indicate that unguided short-range Frog-7 artillery rockets may be capable of carrying chemical payloads.

In terms of longer-range delivery systems, Syria has a few dozen SS-21 ballistic missiles with a maximum range of 72 miles; 200 Scud-Bs, with a maximum range of 180 miles; and 60 to 120 Scud-Cs, with a maximum range of 300 miles, all of which are mobile and are capable of carrying chemical weapons, according U.S. intelligence officials.

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oh sh*t. gd it syria, y u do this?
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TL; etc. But anyway time to intervene
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and the real world game of Risk continues

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and the real world game of Risk continues

Cloud_Insurance

In risk you typically don't blow up your own country...

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yawn

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Assad is mad with power and mustache, he needs to be taken down.
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I wonder how China and Russia feel about this, they stood up for Syria saying it is their own problem no outside intervention. But now will they try and get Assad to step down to save face.

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Assad will saturate his country, kill as many as he can, than commit suicide most likely.
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I wonder how China and Russia feel about this, they stood up for Syria saying it is their own problem no outside intervention. But now will they try and get Assad to step down to save face.

pero2008

Why would China start caring about other people dying?

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[QUOTE="pero2008"]

I wonder how China and Russia feel about this, they stood up for Syria saying it is their own problem no outside intervention. But now will they try and get Assad to step down to save face.

Pirate700

Why would China start caring about other people dying?

very true.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="pero2008"]

I wonder how China and Russia feel about this, they stood up for Syria saying it is their own problem no outside intervention. But now will they try and get Assad to step down to save face.

Rich3232

Why would China start caring about other people dying?

very true.

dun worry guys, obamas got dis
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well , they haven't used them yet, but its quite possible.

while Im not quite sure what the motive is, one has to wonder, since Assad is desperate (his future is either as a refugee in Iran , or getting hanged from a tree) , he might try anything as a last attempt, its not like he himself has much to lose.

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Why would China start caring about other people dying? LiquidAjax
very true.

dun worry guys, obamas got dis

what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.
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They always veto along with Russia when it came to Syria. Unless I'm getting it confused with North Korea
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] very true.

dun worry guys, obamas got dis

what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.

kind of how like saddam used chemical weapons on his own people? Man some of people do not know history at all.
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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] dun worry guys, obamas got dis

what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.

kind of how like saddam used chemical weapons on his own people? Man some of people do not know history at all.

well yea, but decades passed before we actually did something about it. either way, the u.s, is in a tough spot right now.
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True, but if he used the chemical weapons wouldn't he have no support from other countries except maybe like Iran, etc.
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.

kind of how like saddam used chemical weapons on his own people? Man some of people do not know history at all.

well yea, but decades passed before we actually did something about it. either way, the u.s, is in a tough spot right now.

obama's got it covered
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kind of how like saddam used chemical weapons on his own people? Man some of people do not know history at all.LiquidAjax

You should amend that by replacing the word "history" with "anything".

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] very true.

dun worry guys, obamas got dis

what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.

Obama won't actually go anywhere near that, he was , after all elected for economic matters, not on foreign affairs. I honestly don't think the US , or Europe, are in the financial position to launch a war in the Middle East, especially not Syria and there is probably alot less support for an serious intervention in Syria, compared to the mood regarding Afghanistan , or even Iraq , when those wars started.. of course I could be wrong, but to me at least, it seems that nothing of the sort will happen.
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I think Al Asad just jumped the shark.
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] dun worry guys, obamas got dis

what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.

Obama won't actually go anywhere near that, he was , after all elected for economic matters, not on foreign affairs. I honestly don't think the US , or Europe, are in the financial position to launch a war in the Middle East, especially not Syria and there is probably alot less support for an serious intervention in Syria, compared to the mood regarding Afghanistan , or even Iraq , when those wars started.. of course I could be wrong, but to me at least, it seems that nothing of the sort will happen.

He's got it guys.
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] dun worry guys, obamas got dis

what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.

Obama won't actually go anywhere near that, he was , after all elected for economic matters, not on foreign affairs. I honestly don't think the US , or Europe, are in the financial position to launch a war in the Middle East, especially not Syria and there is probably alot less support for an serious intervention in Syria, compared to the mood regarding Afghanistan , or even Iraq , when those wars started.. of course I could be wrong, but to me at least, it seems that nothing of the sort will happen.

i largely agree. hopefully, nothing will come of this, otherwise we got issues.
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[QUOTE="pero2008"]

I wonder how China and Russia feel about this, they stood up for Syria saying it is their own problem no outside intervention. But now will they try and get Assad to step down to save face.

Pirate700

Why would China start caring about other people dying?

The Chinese wont but the Russians will. Russia does not want further regional instability, think Chechen's, and if al-Assad starts using chemical weapons, you better believe the Krelim will act. It'll also piss off other countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
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It surprises me that a skilled sniper has not put a bullet in his head yet. Does he live in a bunker or something?
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It surprises me that a skilled sniper has not put a bullet in his head yet. Does he live in a bunker or something? Zeviander
after that bombing that killed a good chunk of his top advisers, i'm sure he got extremely paranoid and is living in a very secret/fortified place.
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It surprises me that a skilled sniper has not put a bullet in his head yet. Does he live in a bunker or something? Zeviander
You think he's drinking a beer in his backyard or something?

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Last resort. I think Russia, or the U.N will do something to end this before anything big happens (chemical weapons being used).
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"]It surprises me that a skilled sniper has not put a bullet in his head yet. Does he live in a bunker or something? Pirate700

You think he's drinking a beer in his backyard or something?

:lol:
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.

Obama won't actually go anywhere near that, he was , after all elected for economic matters, not on foreign affairs. I honestly don't think the US , or Europe, are in the financial position to launch a war in the Middle East, especially not Syria and there is probably alot less support for an serious intervention in Syria, compared to the mood regarding Afghanistan , or even Iraq , when those wars started.. of course I could be wrong, but to me at least, it seems that nothing of the sort will happen.

i largely agree. hopefully, nothing will come of this, otherwise we got issues.

at most, you will see some sort of a no fly zone. besides, even if Assad uses chemical weapons , he is more or less finished, much of the country is already out of his control (there is fighting on the main road to Damascus), expect to see him hanging from a tree , (followed by a potential slaughter , or at least heavy discrimination of the Alawite minority) , or go into exile in Iran. what Im worried is that between the fighting , the weapons will fall into the hands of the likes of Hezbollah , or go into the black market (quite possible given the chaos right now)
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Last resort. I think Russia, or the U.N will do something to end this before anything big happens (chemical weapons being used).pero2008
i think we should just nuke the whole middle east. Get rid of a huge problem in this world. Those people will always be fighting and drag everybody in around them.
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] dun worry guys, obamas got disLiquidAjax
what exactly is he supposed to do? oh, i know, he'll do what a certain republican president did and invade thus causing thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars gone, and a much weaker "democratic" government. yea, that's probably what he'll do since we mericans like war. although, tbf, if syria does actually use these weapons, that's a very different scenario from the iraq war/invasion.

kind of how like saddam used chemical weapons on his own people? Man some of people do not know history at all.

8 years

100,000+ dead

It was totally worth...

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[QUOTE="pero2008"]Last resort. I think Russia, or the U.N will do something to end this before anything big happens (chemical weapons being used).LiquidAjax
i think we should just nuke the whole middle east. Get rid of a huge problem in this world. Those people will always be fighting and drag everybody in around them.

Yes, let's promote an idea of regional genocide on a mass scale....
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[QUOTE="pero2008"]Last resort. I think Russia, or the U.N will do something to end this before anything big happens (chemical weapons being used).LiquidAjax
i think we should just nuke the whole middle east. Get rid of a huge problem in this world. Those people will always be fighting and drag everybody in around them.

why not just take it a step further and destroy the human race? we're always fighting after all.
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Obama won't actually go anywhere near that, he was , after all elected for economic matters, not on foreign affairs. I honestly don't think the US , or Europe, are in the financial position to launch a war in the Middle East, especially not Syria and there is probably alot less support for an serious intervention in Syria, compared to the mood regarding Afghanistan , or even Iraq , when those wars started.. of course I could be wrong, but to me at least, it seems that nothing of the sort will happen.

i largely agree. hopefully, nothing will come of this, otherwise we got issues.

at most, you will see some sort of a no fly zone. besides, even if Assad uses chemical weapons , he is more or less finished, much of the country is already out of his control (there is fighting on the main road to Damascus), expect to see him hanging from a tree , (followed by a potential slaughter , or at least heavy discrimination of the Alawite minority) , or go into exile in Iran. what Im worried is that between the fighting , the weapons will fall into the hands of the likes of Hezbollah , or go into the black market (quite possible given the chaos right now)

i did not even consider that. oh boy.
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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="pero2008"]Last resort. I think Russia, or the U.N will do something to end this before anything big happens (chemical weapons being used).Ravensmash
i think we should just nuke the whole middle east. Get rid of a huge problem in this world. Those people will always be fighting and drag everybody in around them.

Yes, let's promote an idea of regional genocide on a mass scale....

no genocide is when u kill jews, we're leaving the jews alone.
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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] i think we should just nuke the whole middle east. Get rid of a huge problem in this world. Those people will always be fighting and drag everybody in around them.

Yes, let's promote an idea of regional genocide on a mass scale....

they're doing it to themselves already, we're just speeding up the process.

Humans have always had conflict - and it certainly isn't exclusive to that region.
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I've learned about Sarin and other poisons in school. This is not going to be a pretty sight...

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] i think we should just nuke the whole middle east. Get rid of a huge problem in this world. Those people will always be fighting and drag everybody in around them.LiquidAjax
Yes, let's promote an idea of regional genocide on a mass scale....

no genocide is when u kill jews, we're leaving the jews alone.

LOL

i love this guy

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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Yes, let's promote an idea of regional genocide on a mass scale....Aljosa23

no genocide is when u kill jews, we're leaving the jews alone.

LOL

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Last resort. I think Russia, or the U.N will do something to end this before anything big happens (chemical weapons being used).pero2008
Russia won't do anything. They've not only supported him through this all, they have gain in Syria's Assad winning. Namely a base in which if Syrias rebels win, they will not be able to retain over there because Assads government allows it.
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guys, obama got bin laden, this GUY WILL BE EASY BECAUSE HE'S NOT EVEN HIDIN!
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#44 Socialist696
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Its not about getting him. Its about what will happen if outside countries intervene.
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#45 LiquidAjax
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Its not about getting him. Its about what will happen if outside countries intervene.Socialist696
true, the middle east has never had a war before, and nobody's ever intervened, world will probably end.
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#46 Socialist696
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[QUOTE="Socialist696"]Its not about getting him. Its about what will happen if outside countries intervene.LiquidAjax
true, the middle east has never had a war before, and nobody's ever intervened, world will probably end.

Will things wont get better before they get worse, I'm sure this is just the beginning of a bigger conflict or war now.
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#47 LiquidAjax
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[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="Socialist696"]Its not about getting him. Its about what will happen if outside countries intervene.Socialist696
true, the middle east has never had a war before, and nobody's ever intervened, world will probably end.

Will things wont get better before they get worse, I'm sure this is just the beginning of a bigger conflict or war now.

lol you act like war in the middle east, and escalation is new?
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#48 Sajo7
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and the real world game of Risk continues

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What the hell happens in your risk games?
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#49 LiquidAjax
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[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

and the real world game of Risk continues

Sajo7
What the hell happens in your risk games?

in mine, the middle east always kills itself off
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#50 Socialist696
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When we're dealing with allies and supporters of countries like Russia and China it is.