Republican dirty tricks: Scott Walker passes Voter ID law and closes DMVs

Voting right are under attack in America!

more dirty tricks from Wisconsin's Scott Walker, who first passed a voter ID/Suppression law requireing photo IDs at the polls and then started closing DMV offices where in democratic residential areas. Oddly, enough, its to save money to expand hours in GOP areas....

Undercover Video shows a person go into Wisconsin DMV to get an ID to fulfill the requirement for Scott Walker's Voter ID law. The Clerk at the DMV will not give him an ID because she says "there is not enough activity" in his bank account.

these laws CLEARY disenfranchise people from their right to vote and are a return to the Jim Crow discrimination.

and if that wasn't enough:

GOP Attacking Americans' Right to Vote!

Across the country Republicans are working to restrict American's right to vote by enacting laws that curb when and how they can register to vote and go to the polls. For example they want to:

• Eliminate Election Day Registration
  a widely popular practice that, in 2008 alone, allowed 60,000 Mainers to register to vote
• Reduce early voting
  Proposed legislation in Ohio would shrink the state's early voting window by more than two thirds; in North Carolina, it would not only reduce the time period in which busy, working Americans could vote, it would cost more than the current system
• Abolish the Elections Assitance Commission
  The Election Assistance Commission was established to help resolve these problems by ensuring voting equipment security and to address the malfunctioning of electronic voting machines, which caused the debacle in Florida and in other states. Under the guise of fiscal constraint, Republicans are characterizing the termination of this institution as a cost-saving measure, but it s real impact will be to damage the credibility of elections in the U.S. and impede access to the ballot box by certain groups.

Some form of voter identification probably isnt a bad thing. At least in terms of preventing fraud.

This isn't new, this is a tactic republicans have used for years.

The more people that vote, the more likely it is for democrats to be elected into office, so they do everything they can do to minimize the number of voters.

The Daily Kos engaging in hyperbole and distorting facts, I'm quite shocked at this.

This isn't new, this is a tactic republicans have used for years.

The more people that vote, the more likely it is for democrats to be elected into office, so they do everything they can do to minimize the number of voters.

CaveJohnson1

Some form of voter identification probably isnt a bad thing. At least in terms of preventing fraud.sonicare

Some form of voter identification probably isnt a bad thing. At least in terms of preventing fraud.

sonicare

Most people would agree, but fraud isn't the issue. They're using loop holes within the system to disenfranchises specific groups from obtaining voting credentials. The Republicans are clearly trying to limit the number of liberal voters.

As far as voter rights are concerned, you should not have to pay anything to vote. You mean to tell me a passport, isn't enough to obtain a voting ID? It ridiculous what they're making people go through. - and closing down DMVs, that's just insult to injury on Republicans part.

Not to mention, the measures against fraud are more expensive for a budget-conscience state to implement and there has never been a recorded case of voter fraud to suggest a difference in any major election.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Some form of voter identification probably isnt a bad thing. At least in terms of preventing fraud.scorch-62

• Eliminate Election Day Registration
  a widely popular practice that, in 2008 alone, allowed 60,000 Mainers to register to vote

Blue-Sky

Weird. Did 60,000 people in Maine celebrate their 18th birthday on Election Day, or was it just a bunch of procrastinators?

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

• Eliminate Election Day Registration
  a widely popular practice that, in 2008 alone, allowed 60,000 Mainers to register to vote

Oleg_Huzwog

Weird. Did 60,000 people in Maine celebrate their 18th birthday on Election Day, or was it just a bunch of procrastinators?

Something like 1 million illegals are registered to vote right now. I don't see an issue with this at all.

The thing about bank account activity is ridiculous. I can't understand how republicans can justify requiring that a person have a certain level of income and standard of living in order to vote as if somehow poor people shouldn't get to have a say in our politics. I've heard republicans pose even more flagrantly unconstitutional laws in the past as well, like requiring a person to own a home (not rent an apartment or home) in order to qualify to vote.gameguy6700

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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

• Eliminate Election Day Registration
  a widely popular practice that, in 2008 alone, allowed 60,000 Mainers to register to vote

DroidPhysX

Weird. Did 60,000 people in Maine celebrate their 18th birthday on Election Day, or was it just a bunch of procrastinators?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Weird. Did 60,000 people in Maine celebrate their 18th birthday on Election Day, or was it just a bunch of procrastinators?

EasyStreet

already saw this, and yes it's complete BS.

Who cares?

The military / industrial complex and the corporate elites are in charge in America.

Does it really matter which Presidential marionette jerks at the ends of their puppet strings?

:roll:

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]The thing about bank account activity is ridiculous. I can't understand how republicans can justify requiring that a person have a certain level of income and standard of living in order to vote as if somehow poor people shouldn't get to have a say in our politics. I've heard republicans pose even more flagrantly unconstitutional laws in the past as well, like requiring a person to own a home (not rent an apartment or home) in order to qualify to vote.surrealnumber5

Protect against Voter fraud or wrong voters?

"If people cannot even feed and clothe themselves, should they be allowed to vote? Should they be voting?" RUSH LIMBAUGH (12/3/2010):

"If you're not a property owner, you know, I'm sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested stake in the community than not property owners do." JUDSON PHILLIPS (11/17/2010):

"Why do we have these campaigns saying, we have to get all the young people to vote? Young people often don't know anything. ... Let's stop saying everyone should vote. Voting is important." - JOHN STOSSEL (9/28/2010)

"Voting as a liberal. Thats what kids do. They don't have life experience. They just vote in their feelings."
WILLIAM OBRIAN, Republican house speaker, New Hampshire

Yeah, Voter fraud, thats what Republicans care about.

wait... it used to be that you didn't have to show ID to vote in America?

I'm totally unfamiliar with voting procedures in the US as I'm Canadian, however, here in Canada I've been voting in elections for the last 9 years and I've always had to show ID, everyone around me has had to show ID. It just makes sense to me... how else are they going to know you're actually eligible to vote, are voting in the right district, etc.?

Protect against Voter fraud or wrong voters?

"If people cannot even feed and clothe themselves, should they be allowed to vote? Should they be voting?" RUSH LIMBAUGH (12/3/2010):

"If you're not a property owner, you know, I'm sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested stake in the community than non property owners do." JUDSON PHILLIPS (11/17/2010):

"Why do we have these campaigns saying, we have to get all the young people to vote? Young people often don't know anything. ... Let's stop saying everyone should vote. Voting is important." - JOHN STOSSEL (9/28/2010)

"Voting as a liberal. Thats what kids do. They don't have life experience. They just vote in their feelings."
WILLIAM OBRIAN, Republican house speaker, New Hampshire

Yeah, Voter fraud, thats what Republicans care about.

Blue-Sky

QFT and love that you put in several quotes. It's not like they are even trying to remain secretive about their push to suppress voting rights because it might mean people vote against them.

wait... it used to be that you didn't have to show ID to vote in America?

I'm totally unfamiliar with voting procedures in the US as I'm Canadian, however, here in Canada I've been voting in elections for the last 9 years and I've always had to show ID, everyone around me has had to show ID. It just makes sense to me... how else are they going to know you're actually eligible to vote, are voting in the right district, etc.?

Inger1

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wait... it used to be that you didn't have to show ID to vote in America?

I'm totally unfamiliar with voting procedures in the US as I'm Canadian, however, here in Canada I've been voting in elections for the last 9 years and I've always had to show ID, everyone around me has had to show ID. It just makes sense to me... how else are they going to know you're actually eligible to vote, are voting in the right district, etc.?

gameguy6700

O ok, yea then thats definitely lame. Yea in Canada, a wide variety of IDs are acceptable they don't shoe horn you into just using a drivers license. I'm surprised Passports wouldn't be acceptable... thats pretty much the most comprehensive identification you can have, they even have stricter photo regulations than driver's licenses.

I don't know why anyone is trying to act like this is anything other than an attempt at suppresing voting rights when the people who are enacting it certainly aren't pretending otherwise.

wait... it used to be that you didn't have to show ID to vote in America?

I'm totally unfamiliar with voting procedures in the US as I'm Canadian, however, here in Canada I've been voting in elections for the last 9 years and I've always had to show ID, everyone around me has had to show ID. It just makes sense to me... how else are they going to know you're actually eligible to vote, are voting in the right district, etc.?

Inger1

You have to register to vote prior to election. Contrary to fear mongering by Fox News and Republicans, Voter fraud is extremely rare. Even the worst case scenarios, are people voting in place of another. So saying something like "millions of illegals are voting" is non-sensical. If you look at Ohio, one of the fore-front states supporting Walkers ID Law, out of the 9,078,728 million voters, there were only 4 instances of voter fraud. A .00000044% odd of discrepency.
This study was by The Coalition on Homelessness and Housing in Ohio and The League of Women Voters of Ohio.

That same article, the Justice Department claims there's virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

[QUOTE="Inger1"]

wait... it used to be that you didn't have to show ID to vote in America?

I'm totally unfamiliar with voting procedures in the US as I'm Canadian, however, here in Canada I've been voting in elections for the last 9 years and I've always had to show ID, everyone around me has had to show ID. It just makes sense to me... how else are they going to know you're actually eligible to vote, are voting in the right district, etc.?

gameguy6700

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Inger1"]

wait... it used to be that you didn't have to show ID to vote in America?

I'm totally unfamiliar with voting procedures in the US as I'm Canadian, however, here in Canada I've been voting in elections for the last 9 years and I've always had to show ID, everyone around me has had to show ID. It just makes sense to me... how else are they going to know you're actually eligible to vote, are voting in the right district, etc.?

Mafiree

That is truly epic fail. I can't believe someone could argue against a voter ID law. It should be *****common sense.

Protect against Voter fraud or wrong voters?

"If people cannot even feed and clothe themselves, should they be allowed to vote? Should they be voting?" RUSH LIMBAUGH (12/3/2010):

"If you're not a property owner, you know, I'm sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested stake in the community than not property owners do." JUDSON PHILLIPS (11/17/2010):

"Why do we have these campaigns saying, we have to get all the young people to vote? Young people often don't know anything. ... Let's stop saying everyone should vote. Voting is important." - JOHN STOSSEL (9/28/2010)

"Voting as a liberal. Thats what kids do. They don't have life experience. They just vote in their feelings."
WILLIAM OBRIAN, Republican house speaker, New Hampshire

Yeah, Voter fraud, thats what Republicans care about.

Blue-Sky

What the heck are you trying to prove with those quotes?

So then I guess you aren't aware then that all of these laws require driver's licenses as the only valid proof of ID.gameguy6700

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"] So then I guess you aren't aware then that all of these laws require driver's licenses as the only valid proof of ID.BuryMe

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Yeah, Voter fraud, that's what Republicans care about.

Storm_Marine

What the heck are you trying to prove with those quotes?

If you can't see past voter fraud, then we have nothing to debate.

In your eyes, Republicans truly don't have any ulterior motives. If that's what you want to believe then so be it. I can't argue against faith with reasoning.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Yeah, Voter fraud, that's what Republicans care about.

Blue-Sky

What the heck are you trying to prove with those quotes?

If you can't see past voter fraud, then we have nothing to debate.

In your eyes, Republicans truly don't have any ulterior motives. If that's what you want to believe then so be it. I can't argue against faith with reasoning.

What do you mean 'in your eyes'? :roll:

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]Registering to vote was easier then sending in a mail-in-rebate. Also, if you are over the age of 18 you should have an ID already. I don't see how this is news, it is just Glen Beck style fear mongering.gameguy6700

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Yeah, Voter fraud, that's what Republicans care about.

Blue-Sky

What the heck are you trying to prove with those quotes?

If you can't see past voter fraud, then we have nothing to debate.

In your eyes, Republicans truly don't have any ulterior motives. If that's what you want to believe then so be it. I can't argue against faith with reasoning.

So people who challenge your premises shouldn't carry on a discussion with you?

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Protect against Voter fraud or wrong voters?

"If people cannot even feed and clothe themselves, should they be allowed to vote? Should they be voting?" RUSH LIMBAUGH (12/3/2010):

"If you're not a property owner, you know, I'm sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested stake in the community than not property owners do." JUDSON PHILLIPS (11/17/2010):

"Why do we have these campaigns saying, we have to get all the young people to vote? Young people often don't know anything. ... Let's stop saying everyone should vote. Voting is important." - JOHN STOSSEL (9/28/2010)

"Voting as a liberal. Thats what kids do. They don't have life experience. They just vote in their feelings."
WILLIAM OBRIAN, Republican house speaker, New Hampshire

Yeah, Voter fraud, thats what Republicans care about.

Storm_Marine

What the heck are you trying to prove with those quotes?

I really don't know. I love the John Stossel quote. Completey taken out of context. You shouldn't vote just to vote. You should vote if you actual have some knowledge of what's going on, no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on. I don't see what's so bad about that...

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Mafiree"]Registering to vote was easier then sending in a mail-in-rebate. Also, if you are over the age of 18 you should have an ID already. I don't see how this is news, it is just Glen Beck style fear mongering.OrkHammer007

kinda hard to obtain one of those when you close down the DMVs don't you think?

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]You do realize that the DMV issues non-driver IDs as well, right (At least, the ones in NY do)? That way, even extremely handicapped people have a valid picture ID.

Serraph105

kinda hard to obtain one of those when you close down the DMVs don't you think?

...and you think they're not doing people a favor. Shame on you, sir. Shame on you. :P

(There... fixed myself. Yay!)

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"] If you don't have a car why would you have a driver's license? And, yes, there are a lot of people in this country who don't drive. They mostly live in cities where driving is unnecessary to get around and they also tend to be on the lower end of the socioeconomic bracket. In other words, they're the same demographic who likes to vote democrat. And then of course there's all the **** you can toss on to require getting a driver's license that would be illegal if you tried to do it for a voter's license in order to further disenfranchise low income people, which is exactly what you see happening if you read OP's post. Charging for the licenses (poll tax), requiring a certain level of bank account activity (pretty much a giant "**** you" to poor people), and then shutting down DMVs in democratic areas (so that it's extremely inconvenient for such people to get a license, especially since they probably don't have cars if they're going to the DMV to get a license) and extending hours in republican areas (so that it's more convenient for republican voters to get licenses).Serraph105

kinda hard to obtain one of those when you close down the DMVs don't you think?

They want to stop young people from voting.

When I tuned 18, one of the biggest thing I was looking forward to, besides certain club access and pornopgraphy, was being able to actually vote and things like requiring a Bank statement with sufficient activity is just they type of loophole, restrictions Republicans are placing without publicaly stating.

how many 18 year olds you think have a bustling checking account?

If it keeps more illegals from voting, I'm for it. I'm for more pre-requisites to be able to vote. Someone who knows nothing about the candidates they vote for shouldn't vote. People vote for the party more than anything, instead of the best possible candidate for the position. And I don't understand how this is any worse than Democrats allowing illegals to enter the country, giving them food stamps and housing as long as they're registered as a Democrat.

Republicans are just evening the odds it seems.

If it keeps more illegals from voting, I'm for it. I'm for more pre-requisites to be able to vote. Someone who knows nothing about the candidates they vote for shouldn't vote. People vote for the party more than anything, instead of the best possible candidate for the position. And I don't understand how this is any worse than Democrats allowing illegals to enter the country, giving them food stamps and housing as long as they're registered as a Democrat.

Republicans are just evening the odds it seems.

KamuiFei

Links?

If it keeps more illegals from voting, I'm for it. I'm for more pre-requisites to be able to vote. Someone who knows nothing about the candidates they vote for shouldn't vote. People vote for the party more than anything, instead of the best possible candidate for the position. And I don't understand how this is any worse than Democrats allowing illegals to enter the country, giving them food stamps and housing as long as they're registered as a Democrat.

Republicans are just evening the odds it seems.

KamuiFei

uh yeah, that burden of proof thing. It's on your shoulders you know.

"Suppression law requireing photo IDs at the polls"

Why would you be against that?