Response to Iraqi Shootings

Fox news for the loss...Dylan_11

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Fox news for the loss...imaps3fanboy

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Fox news for the loss...imaps3fanboy

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Fox news for the loss...Dylan_11

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Fox news for the loss...Dylan_11

They have not shown that they are unreliable. They have shown that they are willing to grant air time to the point of view you disagree with. That's why you call them unreliable, and that's a logical fallacy. You're ignorant.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Fox "news" has shown time and time again that they are not a reliable media outlet. Therefore I do not listen to what they say. Ever.Dylan_11

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Why does it matter if its from Fox news..I hate when people do that.. there was no bias in that report..Elephant_Couple

They have not shown that they are unreliable. They have shown that they are willing to grant air time to the point of view you disagree with. That's why you call them unreliable, and that's a logical fallacy. You're ignorant.

It is threads like this that weaken our argument for less restrictions and moderations... :(

It is threads like this that weaken our argument for less restrictions and moderations... :(

rawsavon

It is threads like this that weaken our argument for less restrictions and moderations... :(

rawsavon

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]I honestly did. My view on that video is solely based on what my eyes told me. What I saw I did not like.Dylan_11

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Then I hope you gave the editors of that video the same lack of trust....LJS9502_basic

Unarmed people were evacuating wounded, even if they were insurgents, you can't condone killing people who were merely evacuating wounded.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

It is threads like this that weaken our argument for less restrictions and moderations... :(

LJS9502_basic

It is threads like this that weaken our argument for less restrictions and moderations... :(

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

It is threads like this that weaken our argument for less restrictions and moderations... :(

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You saw armed men and didn't like that in war you take out such individuals since if you don't...they will get you?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Fox "news" has shown time and time again that they are not a reliable media outlet. Therefore I do not listen to what they say. Ever.Dylan_11

They have not shown that they are unreliable. They have shown that they are willing to grant air time to the point of view you disagree with. That's why you call them unreliable, and that's a logical fallacy. You're ignorant.

I see I hit the nail on the head.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

They have not shown that they are unreliable. They have shown that they are willing to grant air time to the point of view you disagree with. That's why you call them unreliable, and that's a logical fallacy. You're ignorant.

Elephant_Couple

I see I hit the nail on the head.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]I honestly did. My view on that video is solely based on what my eyes told me. What I saw I did not like.gamedude2020

Unarmed people were evacuating wounded, even if they were insurgents, you can't condone killing people who were merely evacuating wounded.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]I saw a group of men unarmed, some with cameras, next to a couple guys (no more than three) with weapons. I then proceeded to watch the whole group get slaughtered. Then a van pulls up to help one of the wounded journalists. Then this van gets shot at too for no visible reason. I did not like what I saw.Dylan_11

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]I honestly did. My view on that video is solely based on what my eyes told me. What I saw I did not like.Dylan_11

There were not only 3 men with weapons first and foremost; that's pretty obvious. Second, do you know anything about the protocol these terrorists follow? If U.S forces kill them, it's standard procedure for their fellow insurgents to immediately remove and hide the bodies so that the U.S. military can't get an accurate count. THAT is what the van was doing, and that's why they shot it. You could clearly see they were picking up dead bodies, not wounded journalists.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If were a soldier pinned down by enemy fire while reinforcements were coming...you'd like what you saw.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You saw armed men and didn't like that in war you take out such individuals since if you don't...they will get you?Elephant_Couple

There were not only 3 men with weapons first and foremost; that's pretty obvious. Second, do you know anything about the protocol these terrorists follow? If U.S forces kill them, it's standard procedure for their fellow insurgents to immediately remove and hide the bodies so that the U.S. military can't get an accurate count. THAT is what the van was doing, and that's why they shot it. You could clearly see they were picking up dead bodies, not wounded journalists.

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You saw armed men and didn't like that in war you take out such individuals since if you don't...they will get you?LJS9502_basic

Unarmed people were evacuating wounded, even if they were insurgents, you can't condone killing people who were merely evacuating wounded.

well for a start they had kids in the car and only one AK 47 was found apparently. But like I said, they shouldn't attack the evacuation of wounded, whether they are insurgents or not.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

They have not shown that they are unreliable. They have shown that they are willing to grant air time to the point of view you disagree with. That's why you call them unreliable, and that's a logical fallacy. You're ignorant.

Elephant_Couple

I see I hit the nail on the head.

Excuse me, but how exactly has Fox News NOT shown they aren't reliable?

A couple of weeks ago they were reporting an Onion News Network article as fact. If Dylan finds them unreliable thats his call.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Why does it matter if its from Fox news..I hate when people do that.. there was no bias in that report..Elephant_Couple

They have not shown that they are unreliable. They have shown that they are willing to grant air time to the point of view you disagree with. That's why you call them unreliable, and that's a logical fallacy. You're ignorant.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]If there was a giant pie in the video with my name on it I would also like what I saw, your point?Dylan_11

In case you didn't listen to the ongoing dialogue, the whole reason they were flying over that area in the first place was because a group of U.S. soldiers on the ground had taken heavy AK47 fire from it only minutes before that video started.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

Unarmed people were evacuating wounded, even if they were insurgents, you can't condone killing people who were merely evacuating wounded.

gamedude2020

well for a start they had kids in the car and only one AK 47 was found apparently. But like I said, they shouldn't attack the evacuation of wounded, whether they are insurgents or not.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

Unarmed people were evacuating wounded, even if they were insurgents, you can't condone killing people who were merely evacuating wounded.

gamedude2020

well for starts, they had kids in the car and onlyone AK 47 was found apparently. But like I said, they shouldn't attack the evacuation of wounded, whether they are insurgents or not.

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How do you know they were unarmed?imaps3fanboy

well for starts, they had kids in the car and onlyone AK 47 was found apparently. But like I said, they shouldn't attack the evacuation of wounded, whether they are insurgents or not.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You saw armed men and didn't like that in war you take out such individuals since if you don't...they will get you?Elephant_Couple

There were not only 3 men with weapons first and foremost; that's pretty obvious. Second, do you know anything about the protocol these terrorists follow? If U.S forces kill them, it's standard procedure for their fellow insurgents to immediately remove and hide the bodies so that the U.S. military can't get an accurate count. THAT is what the van was doing, and that's why they shot it. You could clearly see they were picking up dead bodies, not wounded journalists.

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]I saw a group of men unarmed, some with cameras, next to a couple guys (no more than three) with weapons. I then proceeded to watch the whole group get slaughtered. Then a van pulls up to help one of the wounded journalists. Then this van gets shot at too for no visible reason. I did not like what I saw.Osaka-06

There were not only 3 men with weapons first and foremost; that's pretty obvious. Second, do you know anything about the protocol these terrorists follow? If U.S forces kill them, it's standard procedure for their fellow insurgents to immediately remove and hide the bodies so that the U.S. military can't get an accurate count. THAT is what the van was doing, and that's why they shot it. You could clearly see they were picking up dead bodies, not wounded journalists.

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I had a point. But I don't see any purpose in arguing if this is the response.:|Elephant_Couple

In case you didn't listen to the ongoing dialogue, the whole reason they were flying over that area in the first place was because a group of U.S. soldiers on the ground had taken heavy AK47 fire from it only minutes before that video started.

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Fox "news" has shown time and time again that they are not a reliable media outlet. Therefore I do not listen to what they say. Ever.the_new_guy_92

They have not shown that they are unreliable. They have shown that they are willing to grant air time to the point of view you disagree with. That's why you call them unreliable, and that's a logical fallacy. You're ignorant.

Don't instruct me on how to properly discuss logical argumentation; I'm more well-versed in the formalities of it than you will ever be. He employed a very conventional Ad Hominem "argument," also, either The Appeal to Spite or the Appeal to Ridicule, depending on how you want to interpret it.

I honestly did. My view on that video is solely based on what my eyes told me. What I saw I did not like.Dylan_11

Did you see this with your eyes?

or this?

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]I saw a group of men unarmed, some with cameras, next to a couple guys (no more than three) with weapons. I then proceeded to watch the whole group get slaughtered. Then a van pulls up to help one of the wounded journalists. Then this van gets shot at too for no visible reason. I did not like what I saw.Osaka-06

There were not only 3 men with weapons first and foremost; that's pretty obvious. Second, do you know anything about the protocol these terrorists follow? If U.S forces kill them, it's standard procedure for their fellow insurgents to immediately remove and hide the bodies so that the U.S. military can't get an accurate count. THAT is what the van was doing, and that's why they shot it. You could clearly see they were picking up dead bodies, not wounded journalists.

They ABSOLUTELY take a body count after they've secured the area of a firerfight. Get informed before you accuse me "making up crap."

Actually after a fight they do count bodies(if safe)......editing videos to make the military look bad annoys me no end.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]I honestly did. My view on that video is solely based on what my eyes told me. What I saw I did not like.dkrustyklown

Did you see this with your eyes?

or this?