Rick Warren's son kills himself

Son of Orange County pastor Rick Warren commits suicide The youngest son of Pastor Rick Warren, a world-famous Orange County evangelical pastor, has committed suicide, according to a statement sent by Warren and his wife to his congregation. Matthew Warren, 27, the son of the leader of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, died after battling depression for much of his life, the statement said. Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate man. He had a brilliant intellect and a gift for sensing who was most in pain or most uncomfortable in a room. Hed then make a beeline to that person to engage and encourage them, the statement said. The statement said that the suicide followed an evening spent with Warren and his wife, Kay. Kay and Ive been privileged to hold your hands as you faced a crisis or loss, the statement said. Today we need your prayers for us.

A person can struggle with mental illness and be a Christian at the same time. Suicide is not a good way to "finish the race well" as Apostle Paul puts it but families such as the Warrens need sympathy and comfort during a time like this, not a theology lesson.mindstorm

A person can struggle with mental illness and be a Christian at the same time. Suicide is not a good way to "finish the race well" as Apostle Paul puts it but families such as the Warrens need sympathy and comfort during a time like this, not a theology lesson.mindstorm

I dont believe in heaven or hell.

So I think it is stricktly up to the people living to decide on whether he went to heaven or hell.

 

junglist101

He is giving an example to debate a question. chaplainDMK

Answering the OP's question: If the Bible's right, he will go to hell. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm pretty sure there's something in the book that says suicide=eternal hell as a fleshy tree or something.

That's sad.  Also, I know what the Bible says, but I can't imagine a good god of any sort would send a person to hell simply for offing themselves after a troubled life.

never heard of him

Terrible thing to use for trolling material.

He will go to hell, while Hitler who believed in God and probablly repented at the end will go to heaven. Alongside the vast mayority of the worlds prison population. I'm actually contemplating going to hell. Darwin, gandhi, buddha and a couple of other figures have to be there... that will be nice.

Answering the OP's question: If the Bible's right, he will go to hell. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm pretty sure there's something in the book that says suicide=eternal hell as a fleshy tree or something.

THE_DRUGGIE

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mindstorm

He is giving an example to debate a question. chaplainDMK

He will go to hell, while Hitler who believed in God and probablly repented at the end will go to heaven. Alongside the vast mayority of the worlds prison population. I'm actually contemplating going to hell. Darwin, gandhi, buddha and a couple of other figures have to be there... that will be nice.

zenogandia

I'm actually contemplating going to hell. Darwin, gandhi, buddha and a couple of other figures have to be there... that will be nice.zenogandia

I'd personally prefer that you repent and live out your life to natural death. Someone like you could easily taint that delicious Darwin/Gandhi/Buddha/Hitler stew that's cookin.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Answering the OP's question: If the Bible's right, he will go to hell. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm pretty sure there's something in the book that says suicide=eternal hell as a fleshy tree or something.

PannicAtack

Oh, I actually confuse the two a lot.

I believe no matter how great or terrible you are, we all end up in the same place.PernicioEnigma

RIP.  Depression's a terrible disease.

Son of Orange County pastor Rick Warren commits suicide The youngest son of Pastor Rick Warren, a world-famous Orange County evangelical pastor, has committed suicide, according to a statement sent by Warren and his wife to his congregation. Matthew Warren, 27, the son of the leader of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, died after battling depression for much of his life, the statement said. Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate man. He had a brilliant intellect and a gift for sensing who was most in pain or most uncomfortable in a room. Hed then make a beeline to that person to engage and encourage them, the statement said. The statement said that the suicide followed an evening spent with Warren and his wife, Kay. Kay and Ive been privileged to hold your hands as you faced a crisis or loss, the statement said. Today we need your prayers for us.Lonelynight

sos will he go to heaven or hell?

You're taking a tragedy and using it to take pot shots at Christians.  You should be ashamed.

how sad.

And as for whether he goes to Heaven or hell, it's not any of our place to speculate on that.

Sad.

Killing yourself is unfair for those around you who love you, since they will struggle with their loss. So he's probably gone to hell.

That's too bad... May he rest in peace

I agree that it's not the best answer, but you have to understand that clinical depression is a very very very painful thing if it's severe. I found it infuriating when I found some "Christian" site commenting on the issue of the sinfulness of suicide and said that depression is no excuse, apparently the sun will always come after the rain. Well the sad thing with depression is that that's not a given, a clinically depressed person has so little will for anything, they have a hard time getting up in the morning. They just don't know why they even should bother. Even if everything is good they are just finding bad things in it, or anticipating bad things. It's persistant, all-encopasing and crushing. And I'm not laucnching that at you or anyone faithful, I'm just pointing it out that depression is not just being sad. chaplainDMK

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]I'm actually contemplating going to hell. Darwin, gandhi, buddha and a couple of other figures have to be there... that will be nice.m0zart

I'd personally prefer that you repent and live out your life to natural death. Someone like you could easily taint that delicious Darwin/Gandhi/Buddha/Hitler stew that's cookin.

This is random, but why don't we offer doctor assisted suicide? Like if I have a terminal cancer, or if I'm a paraplegic and no longer want to live.Fightingfan

However, I don't think any right minded medical person would offer this for depression. Depression is a mental illness that can be treated with medication and therapy. Depressed people who may have attempted suicide can live long happy lives if they get the right help.

EDIT: I mean, there is treatment resistant depression; but this isnt' the norm.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]This is random, but why don't we offer doctor assisted suicide? Like if I have a terminal cancer, or if I'm a paraplegic and no longer want to live.Meinhard1

However, I don't think any right minded medical person would offer this for depression. Depression is a mental illness that can be treated with medication and therapy. Depressed people who may have attempted suicide can live long happy lives if they get the right help.

EDIT: I mean, there is treatment resistant depression; but this isnt' the norm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide_in_the_United_States

*Only applies to a deadly illness. A paraplegic wouldn't apply. 

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]This is random, but why don't we offer doctor assisted suicide? Like if I have a terminal cancer, or if I'm a paraplegic and no longer want to live.Fightingfan

However, I don't think any right minded medical person would offer this for depression. Depression is a mental illness that can be treated with medication and therapy. Depressed people who may have attempted suicide can live long happy lives if they get the right help.

EDIT: I mean, there is treatment resistant depression; but this isnt' the norm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide_in_the_United_States

*Only applies to a deadly illness. A paraplegic wouldn't apply. 

That's so awful. As somebody whose brother has schizophrenia, this kind of stuff hits home with me.

I have no idea if heaven exists, but I hope Rick Warren's son is finally at peace.

Sad.

Killing yourself is unfair for those around you who love you, since they will struggle with their loss. So he's probably gone to hell.

Cyberdot

No, TC. He committed suicide, so he isn't going to heaven.

This is random, but why don't we offer doctor assisted suicide? Like if I have a terminal cancer, or if I'm a paraplegic and no longer want to live.Fightingfan

Most disability rights groups oppose physician assisted suicide because it devalues disabled people and they fear that disabled people might be denied healthcare, stigmatized or pressured into committing physician assisted suicide.

I remember one story in Oregon (which allows physician assisted suicide), where a patient had some illness and requested a treatment, but the Oregon state Medicaid system replied that they would not pay for that treatment, though they would pay for his suicide.

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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Answering the OP's question: If the Bible's right, he will go to hell. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm pretty sure there's something in the book that says suicide=eternal hell as a fleshy tree or something.

THE_DRUGGIE

Oh, I actually confuse the two a lot.

:lol:

If there is an afterlife, wouldn't that be God's decision on whether he goes to Heaven or Hell? Starchaser187

[QUOTE="Starchaser187"]If there is an afterlife, wouldn't that be God's decision on whether he goes to Heaven or Hell? JohnF111

the devil doesn't rule hell according to mythos, he's there to be in pain as well.

[QUOTE="Starchaser187"]If there is an afterlife, wouldn't that be God's decision on whether he goes to Heaven or Hell? JohnF111

Who?TheWalkingGhost

A person can struggle with mental illness and be a Christian at the same time. Suicide is not a good way to "finish the race well" as Apostle Paul puts it but families such as the Warrens need sympathy and comfort during a time like this, not a theology lesson.mindstorm

that was kinda harsh

He is not going anywhere because he is dead. That is a meaningless question to ask.Laihendi