Right or Left Video Games

Hey, I was just wondering this. Do you think video games are conservative or liberal? For example, I think Bioshock, Call of Duty and Battlefield are conservative.

So war games are conservative? Would you peg games that have an environmental these as liberal?

Games are games.

Bowser clearly exploits the liberal treatment-based judicial system. A conservative punishment-based system would have put him on death row decades ago.

My gaming political views are up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, START

Bowser clearly exploits the liberal treatment-based judicial system. A conservative punishment-based system would have put him on death row decades ago.

Oleg_Huzwog

Not to mention the public support for the Mushroom Kingdom is clearly lax because of the one (or sometimes two)-plumber response solution, showing that the feedback system for a monarchy ruled by a human who rules over mushroom head people is in dire need of restructuring.

I thought Soldier of Fortune was kind of a right wing. Even though the main enemy were some kind if neo nazis. But Nazis are collectivist scum just like communists (which is a far left ideology) While the good guys were all hardcore ex military. So, it was kinda like good right wing verses bad right wing.

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Bowser clearly exploits the liberal treatment-based judicial system. A conservative punishment-based system would have put him on death row decades ago.

THE_DRUGGIE

Not to mention the public support for the Mushroom Kingdom is clearly lax because of the one (or sometimes two)-plumber response solution, showing that the feedback system for a monarchy ruled by a human who rules over mushroom head people is in dire need of restructuring.

My gaming political views are up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, START

TheHighWind

I thought Soldier of Fortune was kind of aright wing. Even though the main enemy were some kind if neo nazis. But Nazis are collectivist scum just like communists (which is a far left ideology) While the good guys were all hardcore ex military.So, it was kinda like good right wing verses bad right wing.

IustitiaMaximus

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I thought Soldier of Fortune was kind of aright wing. Even though the main enemy were some kind if neo nazis. But Nazis are collectivist scum just like communists (which is a far left ideology) While the good guys were all hardcore ex military.So, it was kinda like good right wing verses bad right wing.

Franklinstein

I'm always trying to make the world a better place in games like Fallout and GTA.

Thread sucks.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"] Nazi's had fascism. Fascism is an extreme version of conservative economic policies... Soviets had communism. Russian Communism is an unfair version of communism which is an extreme version of liberal economic policies... They are very different. IustitiaMaximus

Thread sucks.

heytheredarlin

So where does RPG's go?

Bioshock is about as anti-conservative as it gets i think. Plus i don't think COD has a political agenda, i don't think/hope none of them do, its a piece of art to be fun and enjoyed.

[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]

I thought Soldier of Fortune was kind of aright wing. Even though the main enemy were some kind if neo nazis. But Nazis are collectivist scum just like communists (which is a far left ideology) While the good guys were all hardcore ex military.So, it was kinda like good right wing verses bad right wing.

Franklinstein

LMFAO. What the hell makes you think that? :lol:

If i was a mod i would lock this thread mostly cause it should be in the Primary Games Discussion forum , but im not a mod so consider yourself lucky :)AussieePet

This awful thread doesn't belong anywhere on GameSpot.

how are they conservative? Bioshock is about why liberalism doesn't work. And the others are just to blow stuff up.Engrish_Major

You should tell people that by liberalism you mean neo-liberal economics, i.e. conservatism.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Bowser clearly exploits the liberal treatment-based judicial system. A conservative punishment-based system would have put him on death row decades ago.

THE_DRUGGIE

Not to mention the public support for the Mushroom Kingdom is clearly lax because of the one (or sometimes two)-plumber response solution, showing that the feedback system for a monarchy ruled by a human who rules over mushroom head people is in dire need of restructuring.

On the other hand, the use of flowers, stardust, and mushrooms to grant super-powers is a clear message in support of drug legalization.

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]If i was a mod i would lock this thread mostly cause it should be in the Primary Games Discussion forum , but im not a mod so consider yourself lucky :)heytheredarlin

This awful thread doesn't belong anywhere on GameSpot.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]

I thought Soldier of Fortune was kind of aright wing. Even though the main enemy were some kind if neo nazis. But Nazis are collectivist scum just like communists (which is a far left ideology) While the good guys were all hardcore ex military.So, it was kinda like good right wing verses bad right wing.

Storm_Marine

LMFAO. What the hell makes you think that? :lol:

It depends on what you mean by conservative, but facism is an extreme authoritarian version of conservatism. If the comparison is to U.S. conservatism then the majority of conservative politicians do have an authoritarian bent, so it would follow that facism is an extreme version of their conservatism.

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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] Nazi's had fascism.Fascism is an extreme version of conservative economic policies... Soviets had communism. Russian Communism is an unfair version of communism which is an extreme version of liberal economic policies... They are very different. theone86

LMFAO. What the hell makes you think that? :lol:

It depends on what you mean by conservative, but facism is an extreme authoritarian version of conservatism. If the comparison is to U.S. conservatism then the majority of conservative politicians do have an authoritarian bent, so it would follow that facism is an extreme version of their conservatism.

"Extreme version of conservative economic policies"

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]

I thought Soldier of Fortune was kind of aright wing. Even though the main enemy were some kind if neo nazis. But Nazis are collectivist scum just like communists (which is a far left ideology) While the good guys were all hardcore ex military.So, it was kinda like good right wing verses bad right wing.

IustitiaMaximus

Most people tend to focus on the poor examples. There are plenty of examples of more democratic forms of communism and mixed economies, yet everyone puts forward only the Stalinist-derived forms of communism as examples. Stalinism is very comprable to facism in that both are institutionally dictatorial. This is really an aberration of communist thought, though, as the driving principle behind it is to eliminate classes, not to create new ones.

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

LMFAO. What the hell makes you think that? :lol:

Storm_Marine

It depends on what you mean by conservative, but facism is an extreme authoritarian version of conservatism. If the comparison is to U.S. conservatism then the majority of conservative politicians do have an authoritarian bent, so it would follow that facism is an extreme version of their conservatism.

"Extreme version of conservative economic policies"

Yes, and? That's completely true, facism takes a corporation-intensive conservative economic model with state intervention and simply advocates it in the extreme. Authoritarian conservatism, that's exactly what facism is.

Hey, I was just wondering this. Do you think video games are conservative or liberal? For example, I think Bioshock, Call of Duty and Battlefield are conservative.

Orayus

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

It depends on what you mean by conservative, but facism is an extreme authoritarian version of conservatism. If the comparison is to U.S. conservatism then the majority of conservative politicians do have an authoritarian bent, so it would follow that facism is an extreme version of their conservatism.

theone86

"Extreme version of conservative economic policies"

Yes, and? That's completely true, facism takes a corporation-intensive conservative economic model with state intervention and simply advocates it in the extreme. Authoritarian conservatism, that's exactly what facism is.

How does laissez-faire capitalism+ authoritarian goverment work again?

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

"Extreme version of conservative economic policies"

Storm_Marine

Yes, and? That's completely true, facism takes a corporation-intensive conservative economic model with state intervention and simply advocates it in the extreme. Authoritarian conservatism, that's exactly what facism is.

How does laissez-faire capitalism+ authoritarian goverment work again?

Because very few U.S. conservatives are really laissez-faire capitalists.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Yes, and? That's completely true, facism takes a corporation-intensive conservative economic model with state intervention and simply advocates it in the extreme. Authoritarian conservatism, that's exactly what facism is.

theone86

How does laissez-faire capitalism+ authoritarian goverment work again?

Because very few U.S. conservatives are really laissez-faire capitalists.

But isn't their overall preference toward freer markets? The extremist version being laissez-faire?

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

How does laissez-faire capitalism+ authoritarian goverment work again?

Storm_Marine

Because very few U.S. conservatives are really laissez-faire capitalists.

But isn't their overall preference toward freer markets? The extremist version being laissez-faire?

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

How does laissez-faire capitalism+ authoritarian goverment work again?

Storm_Marine

Because very few U.S. conservatives are really laissez-faire capitalists.

But isn't their overall preference toward freer markets? The extremist version being laissez-faire?

Laissez-faire is extreme libertarian, libertarian being the opposite of authoritarian. Their preference is generally towards less regulation, which is what primarily seperates them from facist philosophy in this regard as facists advocate for strong state intervention and planning in the economy. However, they do support state intervention in the economy in the form of subsidization of large corporate interests, and the two-way street of lobbying. Facism, while advocating for state planning of the economy, encourages the market to operate within the boundaries it sets with strong ties between government and corporations, including monetary intervention if necessary.

As you can see here, every single Republican-aligned senator in 2008 scored in the authoritarian section:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usstates?al=on&ak=on&az=on&fl=on&ga=on&id=on&ks=on&ky=on&la=on&me=on&ms=on&nv=on&nc=on&ok=on&sc=on&sd=on&tn=on&tx=on&ut=on&wy=on

For a comparison of where they stand in relation to facists, here's a reference:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

There's also a section near the end of the last link that explain the positions of most modern neo-cons and neo-liberals, the former group being the bulk of modern American conservative politicians and the latter being more laissez-faire, Ron Paul types.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

Because very few U.S. conservatives are really laissez-faire capitalists.

-Sun_Tzu-

But isn't their overall preference toward freer markets? The extremist version being laissez-faire?

Says who?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

But isn't their overall preference toward freer markets? The extremist version being laissez-faire?

Storm_Marine

Says who?

Says conservatives.

-Sun_Tzu-

Who's conservatives?

you can probably find a political undertone in any medium. whether they are intentional or not is the question.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Because very few U.S. conservatives are really laissez-faire capitalists.

theone86

But isn't their overall preference toward freer markets? The extremist version being laissez-faire?

Laissez-faire is extreme libertarian, libertarian being the opposite of authoritarian. Their preference is generally towards less regulation, which is what primarily seperates them from facist philosophy in this regard as facists advocate for strong state intervention and planning in the economy. However, they do support state intervention in the economy in the form of subsidization of large corporate interests, and the two-way street of lobbying.Since when? Facism, while advocating for state planning of the economy, encourages the market to operate within the boundaries it sets with strong ties between government and corporations, including monetary intervention if necessary.

As you can see here, every single Republican-aligned senator in 2008 scored in the authoritarian section:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usstates?al=on&ak=on&az=on&fl=on&ga=on&id=on&ks=on&ky=on&la=on&me=on&ms=on&nv=on&nc=on&ok=on&sc=on&sd=on&tn=on&tx=on&ut=on&wy=on

For a comparison of where they stand in relation to facists, here's a reference:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

What critera are they using? Are they basing this on economic policies? Or just on the republican's social policies?

Why are we using Politcal Compass anyway?

futhermore, politicians don't always stay true to the ideological foundation of their party. And likewise, parties do not always stay true to the idelogical movements they claim to represent.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Not really. A lot of the time when conservatives say they are for freer markets they are really just using that as an euphemism for being pro-business. -Sun_Tzu-

Says who?

What the hell are you talking about?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Says who?

Storm_Marine

Says conservatives.

What the hell are you talking about?

Conservatives.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Says who?

Storm_Marine

What the hell are you talking about?

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Bowser clearly exploits the liberal treatment-based judicial system. A conservative punishment-based system would have put him on death row decades ago.

theone86

Not to mention the public support for the Mushroom Kingdom is clearly lax because of the one (or sometimes two)-plumber response solution, showing that the feedback system for a monarchy ruled by a human who rules over mushroom head people is in dire need of restructuring.

On the other hand, the use of flowers, stardust, and mushrooms to grant super-powers is a clear message in support of drug legalization.

Drug laws are obviously being overlooked to give the Mushroomites incentive to drown out the reality of being ruled over by a woman who gets kidnapped by a giant dino-turtle frequently, thus avoiding public backlash over an uncaring regime to a minimum by sedating dissenters with narcotic incentives.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Says conservatives.

Necrifer

What the hell are you talking about?

Conservatives.

Never mind, I get what he's trying to imply now. He can argue about that with a fellow American if he wants. I'm not interested in playing that game.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

But isn't their overall preference toward freer markets? The extremist version being laissez-faire?

Storm_Marine

Laissez-faire is extreme libertarian, libertarian being the opposite of authoritarian. Their preference is generally towards less regulation, which is what primarily seperates them from facist philosophy in this regard as facists advocate for strong state intervention and planning in the economy. However, they do support state intervention in the economy in the form of subsidization of large corporate interests, and the two-way street of lobbying.Since when? Facism, while advocating for state planning of the economy, encourages the market to operate within the boundaries it sets with strong ties between government and corporations, including monetary intervention if necessary.

As you can see here, every single Republican-aligned senator in 2008 scored in the authoritarian section:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usstates?al=on&ak=on&az=on&fl=on&ga=on&id=on&ks=on&ky=on&la=on&me=on&ms=on&nv=on&nc=on&ok=on&sc=on&sd=on&tn=on&tx=on&ut=on&wy=on

For a comparison of where they stand in relation to facists, here's a reference:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

What critera are they using? Are they basing this on economic policies? Or just on the republican's social policies?

Why are we using Politcal Compass anyway?

futhermore, politicians don't always stay true to the ideological foundation of their party. And likewise, parties do not always stay true to the idelogical movements they claim to represent.

Since a long time, at least before I was born if not longer.

It's a combination of social and economic, and their position generally in the middle of the economic grid shows their stance on the economy. As both the site and Sun-Tzu said, while they are generally for a decrease in regulation, they also support large-scale subsidization of industries and a corporate connection with government such as in teh case of the military-industrial complex.

Why wouldn't we use political compass?

This isn't measuring the ideological foundation of the party, it's measuring the views and policy of individual politicians. I'm well aware that ideological movements do not always stay true to the movements they represent, in fact that is exactly what I am claiming is happening. American conservatives are claiming to be laissez-faire, when in reality they are all for government intervention so long as it benefits corporate interests.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Not to mention the public support for the Mushroom Kingdom is clearly lax because of the one (or sometimes two)-plumber response solution, showing that the feedback system for a monarchy ruled by a human who rules over mushroom head people is in dire need of restructuring.

THE_DRUGGIE

On the other hand, the use of flowers, stardust, and mushrooms to grant super-powers is a clear message in support of drug legalization.

Drug laws are obviously being overlooked to give the Mushroomites incentive to drown out the reality of being ruled over by a woman who gets kidnapped by a giant dino-turtle frequently, thus avoiding public backlash over an uncaring regime to a minimum by sedating dissenters with narcotic incentives.

When I read this I pictured it as comingout of the mouth of a mushroom kingdom version of Bill O'Reily. "The kingdom is stable you say? Then explain to me how one rogue dino can kidnap our leader on multiple occasions with little to no resistance from our armed forces? I'll tell you how, our leader is weak on terrorism!"

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

On the other hand, the use of flowers, stardust, and mushrooms to grant super-powers is a clear message in support of drug legalization.

theone86

Drug laws are obviously being overlooked to give the Mushroomites incentive to drown out the reality of being ruled over by a woman who gets kidnapped by a giant dino-turtle frequently, thus avoiding public backlash over an uncaring regime to a minimum by sedating dissenters with narcotic incentives.

When I read this I pictured it as comingout of the mouth of a mushroom kingdom version of Bill O'Reily. "The kingdom is stable you say? Then explain to me how one rogue dino can kidnap our leader on multiple occasions with little to no resistance from our armed forces? I'll tell you how, our leader is weak on terrorism!"

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