RIP Vanessa Pham

This is Vanessa Pham, a 19-year-old art student from VA. In 2010, she was stabbed to death and dumped in a ditch by an illegal alien when she gave him and his infant daughter a ride home from a shopping center. Reason? She took a wrong turn, and it made him angry. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.

It's not going to stop. And what does him being an illegal alien have to do with it? Shit like this happens all the time from all kinds of people and will continue to happen. But if you say, "Hey, don't pick up strangers, don't run alone at night, report any abuse that you receive from your spouse to the police" then all the liberals will just yell at you that you're victim blaming and not give any credence to any sort of preventive measures. And all the Conservatives will yell at you that he shouldn't have even been in the country and that we need to kick out all the illegal immigrants.

If the United States enforced their own immigration laws (like Trump is trying to do now) then Vanessa Pham wouldn't have been killed since that bastard would have been kicked over the wall.

That's not a good remedy for murder and violence in the United States. But you don't really care about that if we're being honest. You're just an anti immigrant fanatic (most likely troll) that is using a dead girl as a talking point for stricter immigration.

Illegal immigrants have already broken the law (immigration law); therefore, they should be kicked out regardless. And by kicking out illegal immigrants this will also remove dangerous illegal immigrants (who shouldn't have been in the country to begin with).

What is difficult for you to understand?

And since when is enforcing immigration law fanatical?

If my parents did not have sex 33 years ago, I would not have been born and therefore I would not have this terrible toothache right now!

SEX LEADS TO TOOTHACHES!!!!!!!!

@Inferman: How are you gonna find these so called illegals? Just kick down random doors? Police dont finger print for low-minor offenses, thats how he slipped through. ICE dont have super powers. How come the police didnt turn him over to ICE? Why did they just let him go? We can play the blame game all day.

Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any other President.

Exploiting someone's death to satisfy and justify your paranoia of immigrants.

How classy of you.

I am against illegal immigration, but honestly... this could have still happened had he been a citizen. Being legal doesn't mean you stop doing illegal things.

I don't understand. Are you trying to say that people who've already shown a complete disregard for a nation's laws once, are more prone to show the same disregard again? That's OUTRAGEOUS and ILLOGICAL!

Man I remember this case. But honestly if you had to go back to 7 years for an example of a crime committed by an illegal immigrant, that's pretty fucking good. I mean the chances are right now a US citizen is murdering someone somewhere.

A lot of the immigrant haters that have a false rhetoric against immigrants love to ignore the fact that whites commit up to 70% of crimes in America while being 66% of the population. So to be murdered by an illegal is very unlikely.

An illegal immigrant shouldn't be in the country period, murderer or not. An illegal immigrant who murdered a person has broken the law at least twice. They should have been taken care of the first time, which would have prevented the second incident. That's the issue. Do you not understand?

So just say you want immigration law enforced. Exploiting the tragedy to justify your personal belief on immigration only weakens your argument.

perhaps. then he may have killed people in a different country.

is that somehow better?

No, what I'm saying is if immigration law were properly enforced and illegal immigrants were prevented from entering into the country (as they should be)--or deported once they've been found out by the proper authorities (as they should be)--then there would be less US citizens murdered, stolen from, etc., by illegal immigrants.

US citizens murdering other US citizens is another issue entirely which is taken care of by law (if it is properly enforced) as well.

Do you understand now?

@Inferman:

You're right, this trolling is getting dull.

Any proof that he is an illegal immigrant? I've read a bunch of articles and nothing points out to it.

Even then, while what happened was tragic, what's the difference between being killed by an illegal immigrant vs a citizen?

An illegal immigrant shouldn't have been inside the country.

@Inferman: What difference does it make. Some dude broke the law just like regular citizens break the law.

So if she was killed by a citizen, it would have been better?

Homicide are another issue entirely, whether the perpetrator legal status is irrelevant.

Why don't you talk about the fact the crime was committed while the killer on high on pcp which directly led to the murder? Why don't you ask Trump to do something more about enforcing the current law on illegal drugs? That COULD've saved the girl's life too?

And two can play the anecdotal game. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Quinones-Hinojosa, a brain surgeon who came to the US illegally. Many people owe their lives to this doctor. By your logic, one can simply conclude that more US citizens' lives would be improved or otherwise saved by illegal immigrants.

If illegal immigrants were ejected from the country, then it would be impossible for US citizens to be harmed by illegal immigrants.

Do you understand now?

Some illegal immigrants murder people. Some illegal immigrants raise wonderful families and support charities for those in need.

Unless you can show that a significant proportion of illegal immigrants are murderers (which you can't), then you really should drop the murder argument and just say "immigration laws should be respected". That's all you've got, and many more people would agree with that.

If illegal immigrants are ejected from the United States, then they cannot commit any crimes inside the United States... because they've been ejected.

I agree. Trump should be hard on illegal immigration and those who use PCP.

Illegal immigrants who "raise wonderful families" are still here illegally; therefore, they should be ejected from the country. They can raise their "wonderful families" in Mexico.

They are all trembling in fear of being deported. Just ask the illegal from Phoenix whose ass was shipped out the other day. Good for her.

This is a live possibility. It may be that many of these people are illegals themselves--or have friends who are illegals. Tough luck. You broke the law, folks.

But if an illegal immigrant saved a life of a citizen but was ejected prior, would the citizen's life still be saved?

@Inferman: Now we get to pay for their kids and higher payed Americans to take their place in care and work. Hooray, we win.

If illegal immigrants are ejected from the United States, then they cannot contribute inside the United States...because they've been ejected.

You realize the irony of Trump talking about being hard on illegal immigrants and America first, when his own businesses benefited so much from illegal migrant workers and foreign manufacturers for his and his family's brand right? So I do agree. We should have enforced an America first policy and immigration laws, because there wouldn't even be a president Trump without those illegal immigrants and foreign manufacturers making American products.

http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/?utm_term=.e0270d17f254

It wouldn't matter in that case because the illegal shouldn't have been inside the country... because they're illegal.

Illegals are illegals; therefore, they're illegally inside the country. They shouldn't be inside the country because they're illegal. Therefore, if immigration law is fully enforced, then any action (good or bad) an illegal would take inside the country would be prevented because... they're not inside the country...

That being said, an illegal has a higher chance of committing a crime once inside the country for the simple fact that a person who willingly breaks the law to get inside the country will have a higher chance of breaking the law in other ways compared to a person who goes through the proper channels to become a legal US citizen.

Statistics bear this out. For example, according to the United States Sentencing Commission, 75% of federal drug offenses in 2014 were committed by illegal immigrants.

Hopefully they are scared to the point where Xanax and Klonopin won't even relieve the anxiety. Good for them.

Washington Post and Time are fake news.

That's correct. If illegals are ejected from the country or prevented from entering the country, then they cannot take any action inside the country... because they're not in the country. I'm glad you now understand this. So all of these cases where people were raped, tortured, killed, etc., by illegal immigrants--or all of the drug trafficking committed by illegals--would have been prevented if we just enforced immigration law.

Wrong bro.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html

sigh, typical trump supporter... if fact = 'support trump' then 'fact' else 'fake newzzz!' end

Shitty trolling but I agree if somebody is here illegally, they should be deported.

You're posting a bunch of Fake News sites. New York Times said Hillary Clinton had a 90% chance of winning before the election. Lmao. They're propaganda, brah.

Look at my logic, brah. Tell me which premise is wrong.

1. A person inclined to break the law is more likely to break the law compared to persons who are not inclined to break the law.

2. An illegal immigrant has broken the law.

3. An illegal immigrant is a person.

Therefore,

4. It is more likely that an illegal immigrant is a person who is inclined to break the law than a person who is not inclined to break the law.

Therefore,

5. More illegal immigrants are people who are inclined to break laws versus people who are not inclined to break laws.

This is just pure undeniable logic.

But there are also statistics to back this up. 1/4 of prisoners are not US citizens (crazy because most of the US population are US citizens). 75% of federal drug crimes in 2014 were committed by illegal immigrants. Etc.

Then there are cases of women being murdered by illegal immigrants, like Vanessa Pham.

@Inferman: You're a duck. You speak french, all ducks speak french.

pop logic is bad

1. You're a duck. (FALSE)

2. You speak french. (FALSE)

Therefore,

3. All ducks speak french. (FALSE)

For an argument to be a good one the premises need to be true and the logic valid. The logic of this argument is invalid and the premises are untrue; therefore, the argument is unsound (or not a good one). It's invalid because even if premises (1) and (2) were true, it wouldn't be sufficient for (3).

Now go back to my argument and tell me what's wrong with it; otherwise, how my dick taste?

Thank you for playing.

It's pure undeniable bullshit is what it is. Whether they realize it or not everyone have broken the law at least once, so technically every US citizens are just as inclined to break the law again as undocumented immigrants.

Also statistically speaking immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes. Undocumented immigrants are immigrants therefore they are actually less likely to commit crimes than citizens.

*Shown studies from reputable sources that verify immigrants, illegal or otherwise, commit far less crimes than legal citizens.

*Cries fakes news.

Like clockwork at this point.

Which premise do you reject then?

1. if a person is not inclined to break the law, then they're less likely to break the law.

2. An illegal immigrant is a person.

3. An illegal immigrant has broken the law.

Therefore,

4. It is more likely than not that an illegal immigrant is a person who is inclined to break the law.

Therefore,

5. There are more illegal immigrants who are people who are inclined to break laws than there are illegal immigrants who are people who are not inclined to break laws.

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And if the conclusions (4) and (5) are untrue, then why does the following statistic exist: 75% of federal drug crimes were commited by illegals in 2014. And why is 1/4 of prisoners non US citizens? Isn't that strange? 90% or more of the US population are US citizens. Finally, if illegals are not inclined to crime, then why is Vanessa Pham dead?

I give it a week before you're banned.

Is that a good thing or bad thing?

How does it taste, by the way?

@n64dd said:

@Inferman said:

@n64dd said:

@Inferman said:

Which premise do you reject then?

1. if a person is not inclined to break the law, then they're less likely to break the law.

2. An illegal immigrant is a person.

3. An illegal immigrant has broken the law.

Therefore,

4. It is more likely than not that an illegal immigrant is a person who is inclined to break the law.

Therefore,

5. There are more illegal immigrants who are people who are inclined to break laws than there are illegal immigrants who are people who are not inclined to break laws.

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And if the conclusions (4) and (5) are untrue, then why does the following statistic exist: 75% of federal drug crimes were commited by illegals in 2014. And why is 1/4 of prisoners non US citizens? Isn't that strange? 90% or more of the US population are US citizens. Finally, if illegals are not inclined to crime, then why is Vanessa Pham dead?

I give it a week before you're banned.

Is that a good thing or bad thing?

How does it taste, by the way?

I'm genuinely confused. Are you talking to me or yourself? Because I don't want anyone to be banned nor am I offended. I don't think it's possible for me to be offended, actually...

How do you plan on keeping all the illegals outside the US?

What if an illegal killed another illegal while both are inside the US? Would it be a good thing or a bad thing?

What if an illegal saves an US citizen live? Or should they simply let them die?