RON PAUL: get out of wars and stop claiming youre responsible for cutting BS

get us out of war and NPR cut or not it is not a financial win if you vote to continue the war

thoughts?

Cut NPR and stop going to war = win for me.

Man, I wish I could hear it, but my son is sleeping.

I'm not a fan of Ron Paul who takes extremism to frightening levels, but if he's calling out the people who claim to want to eliminate the deficit with 12 percent of the budget then I'm rooting for him.

Edit: I finally managed to hear the audio, and I completely agree with Ron Paul here.

I don't agree with him, as I feel that we have a moral obligation to fight the taliban at this point, but I do respect him because he's not spewing BS when he says he wants to cut the budget. He's a real fiscal conservative and a true isolationist.

I don't agree with him, as I feel that we have a moral obligation to fight the taliban at this point, but I do respect him because he's not spewing BS when he says he wants to cut the budget. He's a real fiscal conservative and a true isolationist.

kussese

[QUOTE="kussese"]

I don't agree with him, as I feel that we have a moral obligation to fight the taliban at this point, but I do respect him because he's not spewing BS when he says he wants to cut the budget. He's a real fiscal conservative and a true isolationist.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kussese"]

I don't agree with him, as I feel that we have a moral obligation to fight the taliban at this point, but I do respect him because he's not spewing BS when he says he wants to cut the budget. He's a real fiscal conservative and a true isolationist.

surrealnumber5

I agree here. Ron Paul always makes logical sense on these things, but sometimes that's too much for the indoctrinated of the two major parties to handle.

I'd prefer to win in Afghanistan.fidosim

I think losing is the only option.

[QUOTE="fidosim"]I'd prefer to win in Afghanistan.DroidPhysX

I think losing is the only option.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"]I'd prefer to win in Afghanistan.fidosim

I think losing is the only option.

Uhh, almost a decade in. You really think we're even close to winning? The longest war in U.S. history. Yup. As my good old friend George W. Bush said in 2003:

Mission Accomplished.:roll:

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

I think losing is the only option.

Uhh, almost a decade in. You really think we're even close to winning? The longest war in U.S. history. Yup. As my good old friend George W. Bush said in 2003:

Mission Accomplished.:roll:

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] As much as some people would like for it to be, it isn't.fidosim

Uhh, almost a decade in. You really think we're even close to winning? The longest war in U.S. history. Yup. As my good old friend George W. Bush said in 2003:

Mission Accomplished.:roll:

10 years?:lol:

Oh dear. So it takes more than a decade to defend Kabul? Have fun throwing billions in the military for a Vietnam-Esq war.

10 years?:lol:

Oh dear. So it takes more than a decade to defend Kabul? Have fun throwing billions in the military for a Vietnam-Esq war.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Uhh, almost a decade in. You really think we're even close to winning? The longest war in U.S. history. Yup. As my good old friend George W. Bush said in 2003:

Mission Accomplished.:roll:

DroidPhysX

10 years?:lol:

Oh dear. So it takes more than a decade to defend Kabul? Have fun throwing billions in the military for a Vietnam-Esq war.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

10 years?:lol:

Oh dear. So it takes more than a decade to defend Kabul? Have fun throwing billions in the military for a Vietnam-Esq war.

fidosim

Wait, is the U.S. in a full scale war with South Korea, Japan, Germany, and Italy?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] Erm...the Taliban are gone. They were overthrown in October, 2001. So yes, we're close to winning. All we have to do is defend Kabul.surrealnumber5

10 years?:lol:

Oh dear. So it takes more than a decade to defend Kabul? Have fun throwing billions in the military for a Vietnam-Esq war.

So i take it you're a far right conservative?

[QUOTE="fidosim"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

10 years?:lol:

Oh dear. So it takes more than a decade to defend Kabul? Have fun throwing billions in the military for a Vietnam-Esq war.

Wait, is the U.S. in a full scale war with South Korea, Japan, Germany, and Italy?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

10 years?:lol:

Oh dear. So it takes more than a decade to defend Kabul? Have fun throwing billions in the military for a Vietnam-Esq war.

DroidPhysX

So i take it you're a far right conservative?

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] Meh. We've had troops in South Korea, Japan, Germany, and Italy for more than 10 years, and the sky hasn't fallen.

fidosim

Wait, is the U.S. in a full scale war with South Korea, Japan, Germany, and Italy?

Didnt know some guys in mountains can kill thousands of U.S. troops and cost so much money, that it's part of the reason of why we're in so much debt. Damn, those guys in the mountains are tactical.

Great closing statement.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i do not agree with you in any manor or at any turn but the total cost is over a trillion if one were to round it would be around 2 trillion and there for trillions would be the term not billions. again you stand for everything i dont and i despise your stance on nearly everything surrealnumber5

So i take it you're a far right conservative?

So since you despise my stance on everything, i also take it you're:

• Anti gay marriage
• Pro Life
• Pro Big Business
• Pro Bush Tax Cuts
• Pro War
• Pro Death Penalty
• Pro, ummmm. You get the idea.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Wait, is the U.S. in a full scale war with South Korea, Japan, Germany, and Italy?

Didnt know some guys in mountains can kill thousands of U.S. troops and cost so much money, that it's part of the reason of why we're in so much debt. Damn, those guys in the mountains are tactical.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] No, and we aren't in a full-scale war with Afghanistan either. Just some guys in the mountains between A-stan and P-stan. I think we were at war with the others at some point, though.fidosim

Didnt know some guys in mountains can kill thousands of U.S. troops and cost so much money, that it's part of the reason of why we're in so much debt. Damn, those guys in the mountains are tactical.

Which is why, again, they killed thousands of U.S. troops and drained so much money from our economy? Trying to water down the scale of the war eh?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

So i take it you're a far right conservative?

DroidPhysX

So since you despise my stance on everything, i also take it you're:

• Anti gay marriage
• Pro Life
• Pro Big Business
• Pro Bush Tax Cuts
• Pro War
• Pro Death Penalty
• Pro, ummmm. You get the idea.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Didnt know some guys in mountains can kill thousands of U.S. troops and cost so much money, that it's part of the reason of why we're in so much debt. Damn, those guys in the mountains are tactical.

Which is why, again, they killed thousands of U.S. troops and drained so much money from our economy? Trying to water down the scale of the war eh?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] They are tactical, but in no real position to gain any ground.fidosim

Which is why, again, they killed thousands of U.S. troops and drained so much money from our economy? Trying to water down the scale of the war eh?

You mind comparing the amount of money we spent compared to other wars? Back to the main point. If we were winning the war, we wouldnt be there right now. I thought Americans learned that you cant win a losing war in Vietnam?

Ron Paul! Fighting the New world order! too bad no one listens to him :(

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] They are tactical, but in no real position to gain any ground.fidosim

Which is why, again, they killed thousands of U.S. troops and drained so much money from our economy? Trying to water down the scale of the war eh?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] nope not even close. as the "conservative" party is defined i am as conservative as i am liberal. surrealnumber5

So since you despise my stance on everything, i also take it you're:

• Anti gay marriage
• Pro Life
• Pro Big Business
• Pro Bush Tax Cuts
• Pro War
• Pro Death Penalty
• Pro, ummmm. You get the idea.

I feel accomplished that i can get someone to despise my stances.

I don't agree with Ron Paul much but I do here. This shows me why I continue to like Ron Paul as a person as he seems true to his beliefs and votes that way. He is not the typically politician with a robotic view that goes with the party line with every single vote.

You mind comparing the amount of money we spent compared to other wars? Back to the main point. If we were winning the war, we wouldnt be there right now. I thought Americans learned that you cant win a losing war in Vietnam?

DroidPhysX

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] As much as some people would like for it to be, it isn't.fidosim

Uhh, almost a decade in. You really think we're even close to winning? The longest war in U.S. history. Yup. As my good old friend George W. Bush said in 2003:

Mission Accomplished.:roll:

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You mind comparing the amount of money we spent compared to other wars? Back to the main point. If we were winning the war, we wouldnt be there right now. I thought Americans learned that you cant win a losing war in Vietnam?

fidosim

Being "there" and being "at war" is two totally different things.

I don't agree with Ron Paul much but I do here. This shows me why I continue to like Ron Paul as a person as he seems true to his beliefs and votes that way. He is not the typically politician with a robotic view that goes with the party line with every single vote.

ttobba07

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You mind comparing the amount of money we spent compared to other wars? Back to the main point. If we were winning the war, we wouldnt be there right now. I thought Americans learned that you cant win a losing war in Vietnam?

Being "there" and being "at war" is two totally different things.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Uhh, almost a decade in. You really think we're even close to winning? The longest war in U.S. history. Yup. As my good old friend George W. Bush said in 2003:

Mission Accomplished.:roll:

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] What you've just stated makes no logical sense. We hadn't won World War II in 1944, but we were still "there". And I personally place more emphasis on lives lost in a war than money spent. Although if you think we've shelled out a lot of money here, you ought to look up the Marshall Plan.fidosim

Being "there" and being "at war" is two totally different things.

What the? You act like the two terms are interchangable. Which they arent? We are at war in Afghanistan, correct? We are there, in Germany correct?

Now, lets switch the words up and see if that makes sense

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="fidosim"] Erm...the Taliban are gone. They were overthrown in October, 2001. So yes, we're close to winning. All we have to do is defend Kabul.fidosim

You do realize the U.S. doesnt have an endless supply of money for the military right?

[QUOTE="fidosim"]

By no means is the Taliban gone, and we can still lose. The outcome of the war is really out of hands at this point - if the Afghan government remains as corrupt as it is and if Pakistan doesn't shift it's focus from India to the Taliban we will lose. -Sun_Tzu-

You do realize the U.S. doesnt have an endless supply of money for the military right?

This is the perfect person to be the president, unfortunately he will never get elected.

everything he says makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="fidosim"] Erm...the Taliban are gone. They were overthrown in October, 2001. So yes, we're close to winning. All we have to do is defend Kabul.fidosim

As much as I would love to see us succeed in Afghanistan, at this point I don't see how it's feasible.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Wait, is the U.S. in a full scale war with South Korea, Japan, Germany, and Italy?

DroidPhysX

Didnt know some guys in mountains can kill thousands of U.S. troops and cost so much money, that it's part of the reason of why we're in so much debt. Damn, those guys in the mountains are tactical.

Therein lies the problem: you, in fact, DON'T know. You have no real-world perspective on anything. How could you when all of your life experiences have happened from within the halls of academia and while you were nourished by the government's teet?

I'd advise you to seek out a little more understanding of the conditions on the ground before you spew your thinly-veiled vitriol.

btw, great topic, something you don't see too often here on this forums

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] No, and we aren't in a full-scale war with Afghanistan either. Just some guys in the mountains between A-stan and P-stan. I think we were at war with the others at some point, though.moneymatterz

Didnt know some guys in mountains can kill thousands of U.S. troops and cost so much money, that it's part of the reason of why we're in so much debt. Damn, those guys in the mountains are tactical.

Therein lies the problem: you, in fact, DON'T know. You have no real-world perspective on anything. How could you when all of your life experiences have happened from within the halls of academia while you were nourished by the government's teet?

I'd advise you to seek out a little more understanding of the conditions on the ground before you spew your thinly-veiled vitriol.

Should i link you to the statistics? Or are you just doing stand up comedy?