Ron Paul has got to be the most honest candidate in the election

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PqL2hotdbM&feature=bz301 (2:27 clip)

This guy has been very honest and adament about what he believes in and I think he should win presidency but he won't, he's going with unconventional methods that the masses are too scared to invest their trust in and as a senate he is an isolationist, a lot of people involved in the election, if not all of them, disagree with him on nearly every issue and it's almost become a fad to pick on the poor guy.

I will definitely vote for him.

The clip above shows him pwning some jerk, questioning his electibility.

I hesitate to say I'm voting for him because of the insane amount of NWO/Consipiracy theorists out there.MattUD1

If anyone is capable of that why would it be Ron Paul?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]I hesitate to say I'm voting for him because of the insane amount of NWO/Consipiracy theorists out there.FreewayScruff

If anyone is capable of that why would it be Ron Paul?

well he is an isolationist...UnknownSniper65

Wrong. He believes in an non-intervention foreign policy. He also believes we should trade and get along with other countries that view us (the United States) as arrogant.

It's sad, but nobody is honest in politics. Usually, it's just an act. I'm sure there are a few honest ones, but once they're in power, things seem to change.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]well he is an isolationist...NoRemorse13

Wrong. He believes in an non-intervention foreign policy. He also believes we should trade and get along with other countries that view us (the United States) as arrogant.

He favors pulling the U.S. out of the U.N., NATO, NAFTA, and the WTO (among others). He favors erecting a gigantic wall along the border to keep the invading Mongolians out. Sounds like an isolationist to me.

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[QUOTE="MattUD1"]I hesitate to say I'm voting for him because of the insane amount of NWO/Consipiracy theorists out there.MattUD1

If anyone is capable of that why would it be Ron Paul?

Well how does that demographic of people effect your vote? Are these people for NWO? Do they support RP because he's the savior against NWO or because he's capable of making that theory a reality?

Pardon the inquisition but this is the first I've heard of this and I'm somewhat interested in a detailed elaboration.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]well he is an isolationist...NoRemorse13

Wrong. He believes in an non-intervention foreign policy. He also believes we should trade and get along with other countries that view us (the United States) as arrogant.

I think all other countries view us as arrogant.

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[QUOTE="MattUD1"]I hesitate to say I'm voting for him because of the insane amount of NWO/Consipiracy theorists out there.MattUD1

If anyone is capable of that why would it be Ron Paul?

The fact that the KKK support him and made it public is a good reason to vote him. After all they have to dislike something about him alot to try and sabotage his chances by making it seem like they support him when in reality they are just trying to scare people AWAY from voting for him.

He is also the most honest candidate and has some smart policies I think.

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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]well he is an isolationist...Oleg_Huzwog

Wrong. He believes in an non-intervention foreign policy. He also believes we should trade and get along with other countries that view us (the United States) as arrogant.

He favors pulling the U.S. out of the U.N., NATO, NAFTA, and the WTO (among others). He favors erecting a gigantic wall along the border to keep the invading Mongolians out. Sounds like an isolationist to me.

Can you name the good thingsthat the U.N, NATO,NAFTA and WTO have done for us? And I'm afraid no fence is going to keep illiegal immigrants out, esp. when corporations use them to lower the amont of moneythey have to pay for services. No one wants that to stop.

Can you name the good thingsthat the U.N, NATO,NAFTA and WTO have done for us? And I'm afraid no fence is going to keep illiegal immigrants out, esp. when corporations use them to lower the amont of moneythey have to pay for services. No one wants that to stop.

NoRemorse13

What does any of that have to do with determining whether or not Mr. Paul is an isolationist?

Yep, really honest: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/26/85617/090/639/426519B05T0N

Hell I never seen anybody who speaks his mind with so much confidence. But that is weird, since we are talking politics I'm gonna exercise my skepticism given the source you provided.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/ron_paul_newsletters_become_ca.html NPR a good enough source?

Yep, really honest: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/26/85617/090/639/426519B05T0N

That's all ready been debunked by many sources. It was written by someone else under Ron Paul's name. To look at his real views on racism, check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=mLbPfci26wc

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Can you name the good thingsthat the U.N, NATO,NAFTA and WTO have done for us? And I'm afraid no fence is going to keep illiegal immigrants out, esp. when corporations use them to lower the amont of moneythey have to pay for services. No one wants that to stop.

Oleg_Huzwog

What does any of that have to do with determining whether or not Mr. Paul is an isolationist?

What's the point of staying in all of those organizations is it serves no cause? Just because it sounds cool?

NPR a good enough source?

B05T0N

If the word "blog" is included in the address, it's probably not a good source.

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NPR a good enough source?

Oleg_Huzwog

If the word "blog" is included in the address, it's probably not a good source.

I'm sorry, but "honest politician" is an oxymoron22Toothpicks

So, we are not allowed to discuss those which we believe to be the most honest?

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Can you name the good thingsthat the U.N, NATO,NAFTA and WTO have done for us? And I'm afraid no fence is going to keep illiegal immigrants out, esp. when corporations use them to lower the amont of moneythey have to pay for services. No one wants that to stop.

Oleg_Huzwog

What does any of that have to do with determining whether or not Mr. Paul is an isolationist?

Jammit Dim! He's a Doctor, not a Mr.!

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="NoRemorse13"]

Can you name the good thingsthat the U.N, NATO,NAFTA and WTO have done for us? And I'm afraid no fence is going to keep illiegal immigrants out, esp. when corporations use them to lower the amont of moneythey have to pay for services. No one wants that to stop.

NoRemorse13

What does any of that have to do with determining whether or not Mr. Paul is an isolationist?

What's the point of staying in all of those organizations is it serves no cause? Just because it sounds cool?

[QUOTE="NoRemorse13"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="NoRemorse13"]

Can you name the good thingsthat the U.N, NATO,NAFTA and WTO have done for us? And I'm afraid no fence is going to keep illiegal immigrants out, esp. when corporations use them to lower the amont of moneythey have to pay for services. No one wants that to stop.

bman784

What does any of that have to do with determining whether or not Mr. Paul is an isolationist?

What's the point of staying in all of those organizations is it serves no cause? Just because it sounds cool?

Actually his stance is to STAY OUT of foreign affairs unlike Mr.Bush and Clinton. Really, if the world doesn't want us involved then why the hell should we be sticking our nose in their business? The only place outside the US that we need to be having troops in is South Korea and Afghanistan. Our presence is actually positive in South Korea as it keeps North Korea at bay and we probably should be capturing Bin Laden....

What's the point of staying in all of those organizations is it serves no cause? Just because it sounds cool?

NoRemorse13

You're still avoiding the question. Someone said Ron Paul is an isolationist. You said he wasn't. I suggested his foreign policy smells strongly of isolationism. You then changed subjects by trying to rationalize the aforementioned policies without discussing them in the context of the original question: is Ron Paul an isolationist?

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="NoRemorse13"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="NoRemorse13"]

Can you name the good thingsthat the U.N, NATO,NAFTA and WTO have done for us? And I'm afraid no fence is going to keep illiegal immigrants out, esp. when corporations use them to lower the amont of moneythey have to pay for services. No one wants that to stop.

Thechaninator

What does any of that have to do with determining whether or not Mr. Paul is an isolationist?

What's the point of staying in all of those organizations is it serves no cause? Just because it sounds cool?

Actually his stance is to STAY OUT of foreign affairs unlike Mr.Bush and Clinton. Really, if the world doesn't want us involved then why the hell should we be sticking our nose in their business? The only place outside the US that we need to be having troops in is South Korea and Afghanistan. Our presence is actually positive in South Korea as it keeps North Korea at bay and we probably should be capturing Bin Laden....

Probably, but honestly doesn't make good politics. He's a bit too open about his more radical ideas, which involve destroying all government programs, or so he says. That doesn't appeal to the general public, and really doesn't make a lot of sense the way he states it. Paul is way too radical and his ideas are too unrealistic to make him electable by any stretch. He has a big "down with the establishment" following on the internet, but that isn't nearly enough to get him any real ground against the top two or three Republicans, and even so, the next election is going to be in massive favor of whatever given democrat gets the nod. I don't agree with Ron Paul, and I don't think he has a dream.bman784

Well said. Just because you are honest doesn't mean you are fit to run a nation.

I do disagree however, on the democrats having a large lead. I personally think they'll be handicapped if Hillary gets the nod, and it'll be close if Obama takes it.

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]I'm sorry, but "honest politician" is an oxymoronEngrish_Major

So, we are not allowed to discuss those which we believe to be the most honest?

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What's the point of staying in all of those organizations is it serves no cause? Just because it sounds cool?

Oleg_Huzwog

You're still avoiding the question. Someone said Ron Paul is an isolationist. You said he wasn't. I suggested his foreign policy smells strongly of isolationism. You then changed subjects by trying to rationalize the aforementioned policies without discussing them in the context of the original question: is Ron Paul an isolationist?

I DID answer your question, maybe not directly, but in a different response. I said that Paul wants the U.S. to trade and get along with different countries, esp. our enemies. Isolationism, as refered to not getting a given military envolved in other countries problems, perhaps exchanging goods and services with our allies. You bought up NATO, UN and all those other organizations. I was aking why do you feel that those organizations serves a purpose? Please?

Jammit Dim! He's a Doctor, not a Mr.!

D9-THC

You're right. I'd like to formally apologize to DOCTOR Paul. He didn't spend all those years at Duke just to be called a "mister".

Where was it debunked?B05T0N

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mLbPfci26wc

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="NoRemorse13"]

What's the point of staying in all of those organizations is it serves no cause? Just because it sounds cool?

NoRemorse13

You're still avoiding the question. Someone said Ron Paul is an isolationist. You said he wasn't. I suggested his foreign policy smells strongly of isolationism. You then changed subjects by trying to rationalize the aforementioned policies without discussing them in the context of the original question: is Ron Paul an isolationist?

I DID answer your question, maybe not directly, but in a different response. I said that Paul wants the U.S. to trade and get along with different countries, esp. our enemies. Isolationism, as refered to not getting a given military envolved in other countries problems, perhaps exchanging goods and services with our allies. You bought up NATO, UN and all those other organizations. I was aking why do you feel that those organizations serves a purpose? Please?

Well, he may be honest, but his ideas for this nation are quite simply dumb.

An isolationist in a globalized world and economy, you have to be kidding me. That may have worked 150 years ago when everything we needed was in the US, but now things have changed too much.

And my roommate was telling me that he wants to repeal the federal income tax. Exactly how are we gonna fund all our federal agencies, systems, and help fund states without an income tax. I mean seriously, this guy just doesn't know what he's doing.

I DID answer your question, maybe not directly, but in a different response. I said that Paul wants the U.S. to trade and get along with different countries, esp. our enemies. Isolationism, as refered to not getting a given military envolved in other countries problems, perhaps exchanging goods and services with our allies. You bought up NATO, UN and all those other organizations. I was aking why do you feel that those organizations serves a purpose? Please?

NoRemorse13

You can't say "not get involved with other countries' problems" in the same sentence as "exchanging goods and services with our allies". If we pull out of all these treaties and international organizations, we won't have any allies. The U.N., NATO, and all those others are the forums agreed upon by the U.S. and other countries to settle differences and work out trade relations.

Well, he may be honest, but his ideas for this nation are quite simply dumb.

An isolationist in a globalized world and economy, you have to be kidding me. That may have worked 150 years ago when everything we needed was in the US, but now things have changed too much.

And my roommate was telling me that he wants to repeal the federal income tax. Exactly how are we gonna fund all our federal agencies, systems, and help fund states without an income tax. I mean seriously, this guy just doesn't know what he's doing.

Insane00

He is a supporter of the constitution. That means no direct taxes. The supreme court has ruled the IRS unconstitutional in 4 cases yet for some reason it still exists.

Who would shed a tear if the IRS building got demolished?

I DID answer your question, maybe not directly, but in a different response. I said that Paul wants the U.S. to trade and get along with different countries, esp. our enemies. Isolationism, as refered to not getting a given military envolved in other countries problems, perhaps exchanging goods and services with our allies. You bought up NATO, UN and all those other organizations. I was aking why do you feel that those organizations serves a purpose? Please?

NoRemorse13

Wait, are you serious? Did you just ask what purpose international peacekeeping agencies serve? I will admit that perhaps NATO is an unnecessary agency no that we realize communism isn't the huge demon we thought it was, but the UN? How about this, the purpose of the UN is to make sure that no countries dicide to try to conquor the world like Germany, Japan, and generally the axis nations of WW2 did. The idea is that if anyone steps out of line the countries of the UN have the power to boycott countries, refuse to trade with them, and if the stuff really hits the fan, band together and create a strong enough military force to stop them.

And when you are arguably the most powerful nation on the planet in a globalized world you DO NOT tell the rest of the world and it's problems to f off, cause then they all think you're the bad guy. Personally I think we have trashed our international reputation enough for one president.

He is a supporter of the constitution. That means no direct taxes. The supreme court has ruled the IRS unconstitutional in 4 cases yet for some reason it still exists.

Who would shed a tear if the IRS building got demolished?

SunofVich

I'm fairly certain the Supreme Court has never ruled the Sixteenth Amendment unconstitutional.

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on income, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

He is a supporter of the constitution. That means no direct taxes. The supreme court has ruled the IRS unconstitutional in 4 cases yet for some reason it still exists.

Who would shed a tear if the IRS building got demolished?

SunofVich

OK, and how do you propose we fund a 10 billion dollar a month war, pay all our federal employees, keep all our federal organizations (such as NASA, CIA, FCC, Federal Trade Commission, National Science Foundation, etc.) and all the rest of the system that keeps this nation running. It may have worked 100 years ago, but we have developed far too much as a nation to just ditch everything now. Unless of course you want to see unemployment go through the roof and watch a depression hit this country.

Well Ron Paul will end the Fed, the IRS, The dirty old coke dealers (CIA), And stop propping up puppets in foreign countries, and end the stupid and wastefull and racist war on drugs.

Only candidate that should even be considered is Ron Paul

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He is a supporter of the constitution. That means no direct taxes. The supreme court has ruled the IRS unconstitutional in 4 cases yet for some reason it still exists.

Who would shed a tear if the IRS building got demolished?

Insane00

OK, and how do you propose we fund a 10 billion dollar a month war, pay all our federal employees, keep all our federal organizations (such as NASA, CIA, FCC, Federal Trade Commission, National Science Foundation, etc.) and all the rest of the system that keeps this nation running. It may have worked 100 years ago, but we have developed far too much as a nation to just ditch everything now. Unless of course you want to see unemployment go through the roof and watch a depression hit this country.

Depression is going to hit the country because of government meddling in the economy. when you're standing in a bread line you'll think about Ron

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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]well he is an isolationist...Oleg_Huzwog

Wrong. He believes in an non-intervention foreign policy. He also believes we should trade and get along with other countries that view us (the United States) as arrogant.

He favors pulling the U.S. out of the U.N., NATO, NAFTA, and the WTO (among others). He favors erecting a gigantic wall along the border to keep the invading Mongolians out. Sounds like an isolationist to me.

As has been said, he is not an isolationalist. Just because he doesn't want to start wars and try and control/police the rest of the world doesn't make him so. I think if this were 60-100 years ago he would be a pure isolationalist, but he (along with everyone else I hope) knows that isolationalism is dead. Its been tried, and with the way the world is it doesn't work.

He wants to do what I would love to be done, put everyones ego's, political and religious views in the background and suck it up. Trade with countries even if they don't support the same type of government the west does. Why should it matter if they believe something we don't, if they have a different way of thinking than us. We can't force them to change, something bush is trying so desperately to do. Just trade, try to at least get them neutral towards us, there is no benefit in having enemies.

Do I believe it when he says (even though i knew this before) that people from the middle east are mad at us because we keep blowing up and staying on their land, intervening with every little thing that goes on there, hell yea. When bush made his speeches about them being Evil, souless terrorists who's only purpose is to come over here and kill us, I hope that no one believes him, but they do. I feel sad for people who believe him. He is only saying that as a scare tactic, something most of us know the bush administration loves to use.

Anyway, as far as Paul statements about wanting to pull out of these groups, and get rid of all these depts., I agree, but thats only if he can provide bills or alternatives that are better or save money. We have to admit that the FBI and CIA have been lacking and something needs to be done. Dept. of Education is horrible plain and simple. Funding to schools is not how it needs to be. I'd like to give you my follow up statement of a saying most of you have heard. "If it ain't broke (I'm from kansas thats how it goes here), don't fix it." If you ever tell me that I'll say, "If you got the time, make it better."

Now, if he does provide alternatives, its a gaurantee I will vote for him. But if he doesn't, even though I don't like any of the other candidates, I am not going to take that risk.