Ron Paul rolls out his plan to cut $1 trillion plus kill 5 Cabinet Depts.

"He would immediately end all foreign aid and end America's involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

I support this. Especially the part in the red. As for the other parts of his plan, I do not see the benefits...

Too bad Ron Paul's other positions are starting to dissuade me (prayer in schools, etc). But still, I do agree with most of his positions, especially on education. I don't think education should be a federal issue but rather it should be a state and local issue. Education isn't an "one size fits all" solution. As for the Dept. of the Interior, does Ron Paul want to transfer the responsibility to the state/local government then? Or allow private companies to own it? Not that's a bad thing but I think I may have missed that part when I skimmed the article. Either way, it's fine by me and no, just because a park is owned by a private company doesn't mean it's going to be gone. If a park is very popular with the people then it'll be kept but better mantained I bet.

if anything we need to double up on these federal departments, i mean they are doing such a great job andcosts us nothing. i could see if these departments had ill net effects we might want to get rid of them but look at our public schools, park services, section 8 housing areas, department of energy and commerce, they have done nothing but improve this nation. our welfare housing is the envy of the world, we are ranked number one in primary schooling, parks are well kept and pull in a profit for we the people, the economy is growing at record level, people are able to enter whatever endeavors they want, on top of that federal policing (interior) is flawless in its execution and works well with their state counterparts to bring Justice to this land.

Ron Paul has my vote already. I would love to opt out of social security...

Cutting education from the plan doesn't sound like a good idea.ZumaJones07

in the 60's the US was at the top of the list, meaning we had the best primary schools in the world, the department of education was created in the 70's and here we are now.

I like most of what he's suggested. We need less government departtments, that's for sure.

I'm not a huge fan of big government but even I can see the worth of certain departments. You cant let your country fall apart around you. I just want my tax money used more wisely, but I'm not against paying taxes or having legit govt. programs.

Ron Paul outlined his plan to cut $1 trillion from the federal budget and eliminate five Cabinet departments as soon as he takes office. He would immediately end all foreign aid and end America's involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Paul also wants to let young workers opt out of Social Security. He would repeal President Barack Obama's health care legislation as well as major banking and campaign finance regulations. He would reduce corporate taxes, and he also wants to eliminate the Transportation Security Administration because he's concerned that airport screenings violate civil liberties. Kill these Cabinet Depts: 1. Energy 2. HUD 3. Commerce 4. Interior (what the hell happens to our National Parks then?) 5. Education Story here. Ron Paul is just too far out there in la-la land to suit my taste. Thoughts?topsemag55

Ending foreign aid would cause reprocussions for our allies, we just dont have aid to other nations just because its fun.Why would he permit an opt out of social security which needs a revenue stream and many people who are young wont know that they might need it later on in life.Also, do 40 million people not having healthcare mean anything to him? And while im happy that he didnt agree with the people in the audience said about the whole let him die fiasco, he said that people should seek charity and family organizations to help them survive with a life threatening condition. What type of world does he live in? And to the people who are saying that dept of education is "one size fits all", do you consider your state education, and so on that is over your local education "one size fits all". But this is quite interesting, because at least he is bold with his radical postitions, instead of being like the other republicans who say "reform" in which would mean cuts.

I'm not a huge fan of big government but even I can see the worth of certain departments. You cant let your country fall apart around you. I just want my tax money used more wisely, but I'm not against paying taxes or having legit govt. programs.

sonicare

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I'm not a huge fan of big government but even I can see the worth of certain departments. You cant let your country fall apart around you. I just want my tax money used more wisely, but I'm not against paying taxes or having legit govt. programs.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I'm not a huge fan of big government but even I can see the worth of certain departments. You cant let your country fall apart around you. I just want my tax money used more wisely, but I'm not against paying taxes or having legit govt. programs.

gaming25

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] what good is a program that lowers standards over time? i thought actions were generally taken to improve the standards over time, not to lower the bar.

surrealnumber5

It isnt fear, its a decision on whether or not you want a clear energy system at all, or if you want a standard of education throughout the whole country.

srsly what does the department of education even do find ways to make school worse probablyJandurin

Yes, deregulate everything so monopolies could rule the country. Smart move Mr. Paul.

Right now it's a bad situation. Large corporations (not all corps mind you) use politicians to make policies that basically give them an unfair advantage. This is wrong. However they do this because of anti-monopoly policies placed by the federal government that doesn't allow them to grow the way they want. So they use law and policy their advantage.

Mr. Paul thinks by getting rid of all of these rules that the companies will have to compete fairly. When he doesn't realize is now they'll skip the middle man and just buy up everything under the sun and monopolize it all.

What we need is a reduction of government policies when it comes to hampering small business and stopping competition as well as a strong set of anti-monoply laws that are strickly enforced. Let smaller corporations and businesses have a chance for once. Capitalism cannot work if the few can control the market.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]srsly what does the department of education even do find ways to make school worse probablysurrealnumber5

tops you also forgot the "The president's pay would be cut to $39,336, which Paul's campaign says is equivalent to the median personal income of an American worker, and the federal workforce would be cut by 10%. The president earns $400,000 a year.part. surrealnumber5

I like that policy. Hell all of our elected officials should be like that on the federal level. Unless the median wage goes up, their pay doesn't go up.

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[QUOTE="gaming25"] So cutting something completely will be even worse, especially since there need to be regulations over energy and education.gaming25

All of those except possibly the Dept. of Education, I can agree with. (has Federal involvement in the education system really improved anything since the inception of DOE, though?)

Yes, deregulate everything so monopolies could rule the country. Smart move Mr. Paul.

Wasdie

This isn't eliminating anti-trust laws.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] cutting something that makes something worse than what it was before it existed is the only prudent move, if you wish to reimplemented something along the same lines that is fine but patch work on broken departments have never worked so i dont see why i should start giving the benefit of the doubt now. sorry but youre not going to be able to fear me into agreeing to keep programs that lower the standards of living and has lost us our competitive advantage.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yes, deregulate everything so monopolies could rule the country. Smart move Mr. Paul.

coolbeans90

This isn't eliminating anti-trust laws.

More or less. He wants absolutly no controls over businesses. He believes in a perfectly un-regulated economy that competition would thrive.

He's got more in common with Andrew Ryan from Bioschok than a sane man should.

All of those except possibly the Dept. of Education, I can agree with. (has Federal involvement in the education system really improved anything since the inception of DOE, though?)

coolbeans90

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[QUOTE="gaming25"] It isnt fear, its a decision on whether or not you want an energy system at all, or if you want a standard of education throughout the whole country.gaming25

Seeing that most of the funding for edcuation comes from the state and the dept of education is responsible for pretty much all of the backwards policies and mentality in our schools, I think it should be ended. They bog the school system down with useless garbage, not actually help it.

That means we should fund system moregaming25

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yes, deregulate everything so monopolies could rule the country. Smart move Mr. Paul.

Wasdie

This isn't eliminating anti-trust laws.

More or less. He wants absolutly no controls over businesses. He believes in a perfectly un-regulated economy that competition would thrive.

He's got more in common with Andrew Ryan from Bioschok than a sane man should.

That's nice, but it is unrelated to the topic at hand. This isn't a repeal of anti-trust regulation, period.

[QUOTE="gaming25"]That means we should fund system moreJandurin

Well that would fit our government's policies well. Bail out everybody who sucks at their job. Let inefficiency rule the day. How else are the CEOs of those companies going to afford to build a pool at their 4th summer home! Think of their children!

[QUOTE="gaming25"]That means we should fund system moreJandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="gaming25"]That means we should fund system moregaming25

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[QUOTE="gaming25"] It isnt fear, its a decision on whether or not you want an energy system at all, or if you want a standard of education throughout the whole country.gaming25

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] QUICK THEY'RE DOING A TERRIBLE JOB give them more moneyJandurin

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]to be lower? no i dont want education in the US to keep on dipping, that is the problem here, i dont know why you want our kids to keep on getting worse and worse primary educations.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="gaming25"] I also said to make it work better.gaming25

o then what are the options, cutting the dept of education wont fix the problem, or drastically improve it. Unfortunately we need to go with something that shows a pay off if we fund it a lot more.gaming25

What is your basis on that when he has clearly proved the opposite? We were doing better before the Dept. of Education was created. It has done nothing but helped drag our school system down. Do you want to keep funding and expanding something that is clearly broken and not needed in the first place?

yah cutting education is just what America needsweezyfb

yah cutting education is just what America needsweezyfb

Cutting the beuacracy that makes the education system more inefficent isn't cutting education.

I'm 50/50 with Ronny. I agree about some of the things he's suggesting, but don't know how the others will help the country out and if he plan on keeping his word on some of those issues. He can end America's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, but its not like it wasn't about to come to an end anyway given how long its been going on.

He doesn't have to end foreign aid either. Its always been an option to help other countries out, we don't have to completely cut them out. Maybe I'm miss interpreting that bit there and thinking he's talking about completely cutting ties with other countries....

I'm 50/50 with Ronny. I agree about some of the things he's suggesting, but don't know how the others will help the country out and if he plan on keeping his word on some of those issues. He can end America's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, but its not like it wasn't about to come to an end anyway given how long its been going on.

He doesn't have to end foreign aid either. Its always been an option to help other countries out, we don't have to completely cut them out. Maybe I'm miss interpreting that bit there and thinking he's talking about completely cutting ties with other countries....

tocool340

[QUOTE="gaming25"]o then what are the options, cutting the dept of education wont fix the problem, or drastically improve it. Unfortunately we need to go with something that shows a pay off if we fund it a lot more.Wasdie

What is your basis on that when he has clearly proved the opposite? We were doing better before the Dept. of Education was created. It has done nothing but helped drag our school system down. Do you want to keep funding and expanding something that is clearly broken and not needed in the first place?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]o then what are the options, cutting the dept of education wont fix the problem, or drastically improve it. Unfortunately we need to go with something that shows a pay off if we fund it a lot more.comp_atkins

What is your basis on that when he has clearly proved the opposite? We were doing better before the Dept. of Education was created. It has done nothing but helped drag our school system down. Do you want to keep funding and expanding something that is clearly broken and not needed in the first place?

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

What is your basis on that when he has clearly proved the opposite? We were doing better before the Dept. of Education was created. It has done nothing but helped drag our school system down. Do you want to keep funding and expanding something that is clearly broken and not needed in the first place?

Jandurin