Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nhQ31b_dbnM

go ron!

is racism an American Principle?WolfattheDoor34

do you know your history? how was america created?weedfacekilla

With the help of slave labor?

Or was it by exterminating an entire group of people who were here before us?

Knowing how the nation got its start, it seems impossible to say that secession is not an "American principle". In fact, treason itself has to be considered an American principle, given that our nation formed out of an act of treason.

However, I think we all know that the Federal Government is not going to allow a State to secede without a fight. If it's just a small number of States that attempts to secede, I think you can virtually guarantee it will end in failure.

A large number of States would be a different matter, but even then the chances of success will be close to nil. Better would be to pour your energies into campaigning. You have much better chances of a positive outcome there.

Frankly I don't know why everyone is so quick to want revolution (which is what secession would be, effectively). It's very very rare that a revolution results in success, and even more rare that a successful revolution results in a better living situation for the citizens of the resulting nation or even a stable Government. Revolution really is something that has to be reserved for when you feel that you objectively have nothing left to lose. Revolution is the hell of it!

Sure such a situation could arise, but I really don't think we're anywhere near such a critical point.

Secession is something you should do when authority is immensely unjust

Not because the authority is a scary color

[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"] do you know your history? how was america created?JML897

With the help of slave labor?

Or was it by exterminating an entire group of people who were here before us?

Both. And buying land for cheap cheap cheap

[QUOTE="WolfattheDoor34"]is racism an American Principle?weedfacekilla

:lol: did you just learn this?

is racism an American Principle?WolfattheDoor34

Secession is something you should do when authority is immensely unjust

Not because the authority is a scary color

Jazz_Fan

Ehh, the old man just wants some attention. He's never gonna get it though. Even when he says stuff that's completely batsh!t insane the G.O.P. - the party that promotes batsh!t insanity as a staple feature of its policies - actively tries to ignore him for some reason.

Ron Paul seems to forget that the colonies secceded from Britian because of taxation without representation. We have representation. Ron ought to know this considering that he's one of those representatives.

Thinking OT needs to have small pockets secede dave123321

Ron Paul 2016Jebus213

Ron Paul seems to forget that the colonies secceded from Britian because of taxation without representation. We have representation. Ron ought to know this considering that he's one of those representatives.

worlock77

Is he seriously arguing about the principle of secession?

It's not the "concept" of secession that has people shaking their heads, No one is saying that secession is inherently evil. Its the reasoning and timing of why these people want to secede that's generating publicity. "Oh, our guy didn't win, we're seceding!" and Ron Paul has the nerve to compare that to New England federalist or the confederate's attempt at succession over major political issues. (expansion of states, slavery and human trafficking).

These people calling for secession are a slap in the face to American history and deserve to be ridiculed.

Is he seriously arguing about the principle of secession?

It's not the "concept" of secession that has people shaking their heads, No one is saying that secession is inherently evil. Its the reasoning and timing of why these people want to secede that's generating publicity. "Oh, our guy didn't win, we're seceding!" and Ron Paul has the nerve to compare that to New England federalist or the confederate's attempt at succession over major political issues. (expansion of states, slavery and human trafficking).

These people calling for secession are a slap in the face to American history and deserve to be ridiculed.

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Is he seriously arguing about the principle of secession?

It's not the "concept" of secession that has people shaking their heads, No one is saying that secession is inherently evil. Its the reasoning and timing of why these people want to secede that's generating publicity. "Oh, our guy didn't win, we're seceding!" and Ron Paul has the nerve to compare that to New England federalist or the confederate's attempt at succession over major political issues. (expansion of states, slavery and human trafficking).

These people calling for secession are a slap in the face to American history and deserve to be ridiculed.

mingmao3046

That's what I'm saying, he's using "rights" as a straw man to condem the media's ridicule of these people. I'm saying they have every right to ridicule them because of the sheer ridiculousness of their reasons.

These people calling for secession are a slap in the face to American history and deserve to be ridiculed.

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Is he seriously arguing about the principle of secession?

It's not the "concept" of secession that has people shaking their heads, No one is saying that secession is inherently evil. Its the reasoning and timing of why these people want to secede that's generating publicity. "Oh, our guy didn't win, we're seceding!" and Ron Paul has the nerve to compare that to New England federalist or the confederate's attempt at succession over major political issues. (expansion of states, slavery and human trafficking).

These people calling for secession are a slap in the face to American history and deserve to be ridiculed.

mingmao3046

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Ron Paul seems to forget that the colonies secceded from Britian because of taxation without representation. We have representation. Ron ought to know this considering that he's one of those representatives.

mingmao3046

No sh*t? I never would have guessed that from the thread title.

because of the sheer ridiculousness of their reasons.Blue-Sky

yes

in other news, nothing has changed in the past 250 years, and everything from 250 years ago is still relevant.

[QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"]

Secession is something you should do when authority is immensely unjust

Not because the authority is a scary color

nocoolnamejim

But the south loves to talk about secession whenever they recieve a political butt-hurt

is racism an American Principle?WolfattheDoor34

[QUOTE="WolfattheDoor34"]is racism an American Principle?Fightingfan

I know. We men have it so tough, its not fair. Gotta break through that glass ceiling!

I wouldn't say it is American, but I would say that it is something that people should keep in the back of their mind once the current government starts getting out of control.

I don't understand why young americans like this guy so muchLonelynight

Probably his stance on weed.

I've personally never liked him and I liked him even less after I found out about his racist newsletters.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]I don't understand why young americans like this guy so muchGreySeal9

Probably his stance on weed.

Knowing how the nation got its start, it seems impossible to say that secession is not an "American principle". In fact, treason itself has to be considered an American principle, given that our nation formed out of an act of treason.

However, I think we all know that the Federal Government is not going to allow a State to secede without a fight. If it's just a small number of States that attempts to secede, I think you can virtually guarantee it will end in failure.

A large number of States would be a different matter, but even then the chances of success will be close to nil. Better would be to pour your energies into campaigning. You have much better chances of a positive outcome there.

Frankly I don't know why everyone is so quick to want revolution (which is what secession would be, effectively). It's very very rare that a revolution results in success, and even more rare that a successful revolution results in a better living situation for the citizens of the resulting nation or even a stable Government. Revolution really is something that has to be reserved for when you feel that you objectively have nothing left to lose. Revolution is the hell of it!

Sure such a situation could arise, but I really don't think we're anywhere near such a critical point.

m0zart

You said it best.

Just a bunch of whiny people with knee jerk reactions. They'll call down. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Just a bunch of whiny people with knee jerk reactions. They'll call down. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Just a bunch of whiny people with knee jerk reactions. They'll call down. HoolaHoopMan

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