Santorum Tells Sick Kid Not To Complain About $1 Million Drug Costs Because Ipad

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#1 Banjo_Kongfooie
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costs people $900....

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/03/417657/santorum-tells-sick-kid-not-to-complain-about-1-million-drug-costs-because-people-pay-900-for-an-ipad/

In before "Banjo is a biased BLEED'N hOurt Liberowl"... Seriously he actually said this and people are considering voting for him.


Am I the only one outraged at this jerk?

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He's at the "say a whole bunch of crazy sh*t and hope something sticks because my chances are really fading" part of his campaign.
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#3 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Excuse me if I don't take your word, or ThinkProgress' analysis of what happened as truth.

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#4 Ace6301
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There's really no point right now in calling out Santorum on the dumb **** he says. More sensible Republicans don't like him and those who want to vote for him want to because of the stupid **** he says.
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So what? He won't get the nod so why care? It's either Romney or Newt. Santorum is a non factor until he can do better than 3rd from here on out.
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Santorum being a horrible person.. not unusual
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Actually some of what Santorum said makes sense. That Pharmaceutical companies spend a lot of money and time developing drugs they do need to get some profit out of it. Obviously the companies need to sell their drugs at a cost where they don't make some money (they have employees to pay after all).

That being said I think many companies do charge too much, especially in regards to life-saving drugs. I see on commercials "if you cannot afford this medication Astra-Zeneca may be able to help" so I think some companies do help people out if they can't afford the drug (not to mention various government programs that help pay for this). Also it should be pointed out the Pharmaceutical industry is the biggest industry when it comes to lobbying government.

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#8 Xeogua
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I agree with what he said, just not how he said it. People spend $100s on stuff they want, but when it comes to a medicine or something else that they NEED, they complain about it. He still doesn't have to be a jerk about it though.

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I think this guy has no chance whatsoever.
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**** THIS! I ****ing hate the bias on this site and I am logging out.

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#11 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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**** THIS! I ****ing hate the bias on this site and I am logging out.

Super_MooRio

We'll see you on Banjo in a little bit.

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#12 kuraimen
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**** THIS! I ****ing hate the bias on this site and I am logging out.

Super_MooRio
Thank The Lord.
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#13 Banjo_Kongfooie
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I think this guy has no chance whatsoever.kuraimen

Agreed.

We'll see you on Banjo in a little bit.

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Why am I this guy? lol this is ridiculous apparently I am like 10 gamespot people according to you. I swear this is my only account.

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Santorum is such a santorum.
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Actually some of what Santorum said makes sense. That Pharmaceutical companies spend a lot of money and time developing drugs they do need to get some profit out of it. Obviously the companies need to sell their drugs at a cost where they don't make some money (they have employees to pay after all).

That being said I think many companies do charge too much, especially in regards to life-saving drugs. I see on commercials "if you cannot afford this medication Astra-Zeneca may be able to help" so I think some companies do help people out if they can't afford the drug (not to mention various government programs that help pay for this). Also it should be pointed out the Pharmaceutical industry is the biggest industry when it comes to lobbying government.

whipassmt

From what I understand, their profits have been razor thin for years.

Unfortunatly reality is we don't have resorces to help everybody.

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This is capitalism, change the system and give up some luxuries in the process, or don't complain.

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#17 Ilovegames1992
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This is capitalism, change the system and give up some luxuries in the process, or don't complain.

Socijalisticka

Asking people to give up luxuries..............

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LLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL

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Think Progress, eh?
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#19 Socijalisticka
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[QUOTE="Socijalisticka"]

This is capitalism, change the system and give up some luxuries in the process, or don't complain.

Ilovegames1992

Asking people to give up luxuries..............

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LLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL

Exactly my point. Those who aren't willing to do so, and at the same time criticise Santorum have little credibility.

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Although, (unless the context and tone was manipulated by the article) Santorum took it way over the line, what he said is somewhat true. Pharmaceuticals are a businesslike anything else. They are going to charge you what it costs to make a profit, just as Apple isn't going to sale an ipad for less than it costs in labor, materials etc., Pharmaceuticals will do the same.

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Newt Gingrich is a d-bag
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Excuse me if I don't take your word, or ThinkProgress' analysis of what happened as truth.

airshocker
This seems to be pretty accurate from what I can tell. There are quite a few resources reporting this at the moment. Here's one from CNN:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/01/santorum-defends-drug-companies-in-health-care-speech/
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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Excuse me if I don't take your word, or ThinkProgress' analysis of what happened as truth.

mattbbpl
This seems to be pretty accurate from what I can tell. There are quite a few resources reporting this at the moment. Here's one from CNN:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/01/santorum-defends-drug-companies-in-health-care-speech/

Usually if they're dealing with the actions of an individual you can trust most sites. No one wants to get sued for libel.
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Although, (unless the context and tone was manipulated by the article) Santorum took it way over the line, what he said is somewhat true. Pharmaceuticals are a businesslike anything else. They are going to charge you what it costs to make a profit, just as Apple isn't going to sale an ipad for less than it costs in labor, materials etc., Pharmaceuticals will do the same.

dackchaar



Spot the difference:

"This gadget only costs us $200 to make! But we can charge $900 for it because it's trendy and desirable and people are willing to pay that much!"

"This pill costs ten cents to make! But we can charge $50,000 for a course of it, because if people dont pay that much they will die, so they have no choice!"

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Pharmaceutical drugs take time to develop. Also it needs to be tested safely to avoid lawsuits and also needs to pass FDA red tape which is a hassle. Santorum had a point that the companies charge heavily. It's not because they're greedy fatcats (maybe some of them are, who knows?) but because of the same reasons I just listed. Also, it's to stay in business to make more drugs obviously.

But the comparison Santorum made was just wrong politically. I think, however, they're are a lot of factors in play to why these drugs cost so much money, wheather it might be government or corrupt business practices. Santorum should have delivered a better answer to her instead of that rediculous comparison. Even if it's true, if Santorum wants to get into office, sometimes it's just better to say things the people want him to say. Or at least something that challenges and sways their minds.

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I still have no idea how people can even consider voting for someone like this.

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Well, we all already knew that Santorum was a worthless piece of sh*t.
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Excuse me if I don't take your word, or ThinkProgress' analysis of what happened as truth.

airshocker
I have to agree with airshocker. With a site like that I wouldn't be surprised if they are manipulating the truth to serve their agenda. Although I also wouldn't be surprised if Santorum said something like this.
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Pharmaceutical drugs take time to develop. Also it needs to be tested safely to avoid lawsuits and also needs to pass FDA red tape which is a hassle. Santorum had a point that the companies charge heavily. It's not because they're greedy fatcats (maybe some of them are, who knows?) but because of the same reasons I just listed. Also, it's to stay in business to make more drugs obviously.

But the comparison Santorum made was just wrong politically. I think, however, they're are a lot of factors in play to why these drugs cost so much money, wheather it might be government or corrupt business practices. Santorum should have delivered a better answer to her instead of that rediculous comparison. Even if it's true, if Santorum wants to get into office, sometimes it's just better to say things the people want him to say. Or at least something that challenges and sways their minds.

leviathan91
The problem with something like this is it doesn't fit the typical supply/demand mold. With something like an iPad, Apple has to price it to a demand structure even if there are few viable alternatives. In that situation, people who deem the product worth the $900 (and are willing to pay for it, of course) will fork over the money while those who don't or can't will do without. In each case, their lives will go on. An increase or decrease to the price won't fundamentally change anything other than the number of people in the two groups inversely rising and falling with each other as that price point changes.

With a life-saving medication, however, that mold doesn't hold true in the same way. People in the group who deem it worth it will be relatively constant, and the group of potential customers will only rise or fall based on those who can afford it. And those who can't afford it will die.

We, as a society, have (for the most part) deemed the ending of one's life due to such circumstances as unacceptable. Thus, we have things such as insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, and non-refusal of emergency care despite ability to pay. Under this system, pharmaceuticals still charge exorbitant amounts while under patent protection from generic competition, but the pool of potential customers isn't significantly decreased - the costs charged to them are simply spread around to others paying premiums and taxes.
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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Pharmaceutical drugs take time to develop. Also it needs to be tested safely to avoid lawsuits and also needs to pass FDA red tape which is a hassle. Santorum had a point that the companies charge heavily. It's not because they're greedy fatcats (maybe some of them are, who knows?) but because of the same reasons I just listed. Also, it's to stay in business to make more drugs obviously.

But the comparison Santorum made was just wrong politically. I think, however, they're are a lot of factors in play to why these drugs cost so much money, wheather it might be government or corrupt business practices. Santorum should have delivered a better answer to her instead of that rediculous comparison. Even if it's true, if Santorum wants to get into office, sometimes it's just better to say things the people want him to say. Or at least something that challenges and sways their minds.

mattbbpl

The problem with something like this is it doesn't fit the typical supply/demand mold. With something like an iPad, Apple has to price it to a demand structure even if there are few viable alternatives. In that situation, people who deem the product worth the $900 (and are willing to pay for it, of course) will fork over the money while those who don't or can't will do without. In each case, their lives will go on. An increase or decrease to the price won't fundamentally change anything other than the number of people in the two groups inversely rising and falling with each other as that price point changes.

With a life-saving medication, however, that mold doesn't hold true in the same way. People in the group who deem it worth it will be relatively constant, and the group of potential customers will only rise or fall based on those who can afford it. And those who can't afford it will die.

We, as a society, have (for the most part) deemed the ending of one's life due to such circumstances as unacceptable. Thus, we have things such as insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, and non-refusal of emergency care despite ability to pay. Under this system, pharmaceuticals still charge exorbitant amounts while under patent protection from generic competition, but the pool of potential customers isn't significantly decreased - the costs charged to them are simply spread around to others paying premiums and taxes.

Your statement holds true. If there was more competition globally, it could force American Pharmaceutical companies to lower their prices, similar to the automotive industry when it became globalized. Ideally, it could work. It would be a gradual change but it could work. The current system needs to be reformed to reflect today's world.

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I agree with what he said, just not how he said it. People spend $100s on stuff they want, but when it comes to a medicine or something else that they NEED, they complain about it. He still doesn't have to be a jerk about it though.

Xeogua

It's true that people spend money on wants - but I wonder how much these particular people were spending on wants? If you're poor, a million dollars a year is going to present a huge obstacle. So what happens when they can't pay for the drugs anymore? Let the kid die? I suppose if you ascribe to a survival of the fittest doctrine... but I thought we were a little more morally evolved than that.

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Spot the difference:

"This gadget only costs us $200 to make! But we can charge $900 for it because it's trendy and desirable and people are willing to pay that much!"

"This pill costs ten cents to make! But we can charge $50,000 for a course of it, because if people dont pay that much they will die, so they have no choice!"

Ninja-Hippo

Yep. And add in the protection of patents that effectively provide a monopoly, and you've got the consumer over the barrel.

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Santorum is a worthless piece of animal excrement.

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drug companies only have 7 years to ---- their customers until their patents run out.. gotta cash in while they can.
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#36 Ace6301
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Santorum is a worthless piece of animal excrement.

Johnny_Rock
Actually it's a frothy mixture of male genetic material and lubricant. Though I suppose animal excrement is also involved.
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#37 Johnny_Rock
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[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Santorum is a worthless piece of animal excrement.

Ace6301

Actually it's a frothy mixture of male genetic material and lubricant. Though I suppose animal excrement is also involved.

If he's visiting the family sheep farm, that is. :)

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#38 Blue-Sky
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Meh we all know santorum is an azshole and the only people that support him are right wing christian nutjobs. He no longer surprises anymore.

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#39 comp_atkins
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just the thrashings of defeat.. nothing to see here. move along.