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#1 CaveJohnson1
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When drugs don't work

Can you imagine in the future where what was a mundane treatment becomes a game of Russian roulette when you go to the doctor?

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#2 psn8214
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I prefer to let things such as this not trouble me. There's nothing I can do to change it at this point in time (I'm planning on majoring in plant biology then med, so we'll see about that in the future :P), so why let it trouble me?

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Ignorance is bliss. But really its just a game of Mind over matter... If you don't mind it don't matter.
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#5 gameguy6700
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I only know we rely on drug too much. We are spoiled by drugs.magicalclick
You do know that before the advent of anti-biotics it was entirely common for a person to get killed by any kind of deep wound, right? Hell, it didn't even take that (bubonic plague, typhoid fever, etc). People aren't "spoiled" by drugs unless you think that everyone getting used to not having to worry about dying the second they get a fever and a cough is being "spoiled".
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#6 CaveJohnson1
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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]I only know we rely on drug too much. We are spoiled by drugs.gameguy6700
You do know that before the advent of anti-biotics it was entirely common for a person to get killed by any kind of deep wound, right? Hell, it didn't even take that (bubonic plague, typhoid fever, etc). People aren't "spoiled" by drugs unless you think that everyone getting used to not having to worry about dying the second they get a fever and a cough is being "spoiled".

That's the point of the article though, a new strain may set medicine back 80 years if it spreads too quickly as scientists are at least 6 years from creating a cure.

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#7 Former_Slacker
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It's due to the wide spread and improper usage of antibiotics and other drugs. If you're going to visit a country with a high case of certain bacterial disease and your doctor prescribes you an anbiotic and tells you to use all of it and when you come back home and discontinue usage, you're contributing to this. The article mentions how this started in india, where they have very little control over how medications are sold and used and people could buy something high grade over the counter. Another problem is that farms often put antibiotics in animal food because they makes them grow quicker, yet this greatly increased the risk of a bacterium overcoming an antibiotic, reproducing and then jumping from the pig to a person.

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#8 JigglyWiggly_
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Good thing I have an organic blocking gas mask with a full charcoal lined suit, MY BODY IS READY.

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#9 Blue-Sky
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well its a good thing I don't believe in evolution

see no evil, hear no evil...

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Thanks India :evil:

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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]I only know we rely on drug too much. We are spoiled by drugs.gameguy6700
You do know that before the advent of anti-biotics it was entirely common for a person to get killed by any kind of deep wound, right? Hell, it didn't even take that (bubonic plague, typhoid fever, etc). People aren't "spoiled" by drugs unless you think that everyone getting used to not having to worry about dying the second they get a fever and a cough is being "spoiled".

In a way you are right and wrong. The problem lies with the general population not understanding what needs to be done for their treatment. They expect doctors to give them things when they go for any sort of problem and if they don't then the doctor gets bad rep and no business, so they prescribed anti biotics to get people to shut up and give them good rep kind of sad. Next problem is people don't take anti biotics for the prescribed time period. Whenever I'm doing patient teaching and discharge planning in the hospital I stress this so much they need to take even though the symptoms are gone. A lot of people don't and they hold on to the meds for a later use and this just creates more problems. A lot can be done without anti biotics it just requires proper care.

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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]I only know we rely on drug too much. We are spoiled by drugs.gameguy6700
You do know that before the advent of anti-biotics it was entirely common for a person to get killed by any kind of deep wound, right? Hell, it didn't even take that (bubonic plague, typhoid fever, etc). People aren't "spoiled" by drugs unless you think that everyone getting used to not having to worry about dying the second they get a fever and a cough is being "spoiled".

The problem is anitbiotics are often over used for mild symptoms (more as a placebo) and small stuff like clearing up acne.

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It's due to the wide spread and improper usage of antibiotics and other drugs. If you're going to visit a country with a high case of certain bacterial disease and your doctor prescribes you an anbiotic and tells you to use all of it and when you come back home and discontinue usage, you're contributing to this. The article mentions how this started in india, where they have very little control over how medications are sold and used and people could buy something high grade over the counter. Another problem is that farms often put antibiotics in animal food because they makes them grow quicker, yet this greatly increased the risk of a bacterium overcoming an antibiotic, reproducing and then jumping from the pig to a person.

Former_Slacker

Yeah, this is exactly the problem. What's even more important than developing new antibiotics is making sure we don't overuse the drugs we have. If bacteria develop resistance to those too, what's the point? India may be bad, but the US still isn't helping. Antiobiotics need to be used sparingly and specifically if we want to keep them around for a while.

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[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

It's due to the wide spread and improper usage of antibiotics and other drugs. If you're going to visit a country with a high case of certain bacterial disease and your doctor prescribes you an anbiotic and tells you to use all of it and when you come back home and discontinue usage, you're contributing to this. The article mentions how this started in india, where they have very little control over how medications are sold and used and people could buy something high grade over the counter. Another problem is that farms often put antibiotics in animal food because they makes them grow quicker, yet this greatly increased the risk of a bacterium overcoming an antibiotic, reproducing and then jumping from the pig to a person.

metroidfood

Yeah, this is exactly the problem. What's even more important than developing new antibiotics is making sure we don't overuse the drugs we have. If bacteria develop resistance to those too, what's the point? India may be bad, but the US still isn't helping. Antiobiotics need to be used sparingly and specifically if we want to keep them around for a while.

We do have a lot of anti biotics that are rarely used. We have many different spectrums of anti biotics and when you are doing your culture you find out what is most effective .Its not just use of anti biotic its proper use of anti biotic. Taking them is not bad, but you have to take them for the prescribed amount and dispose of any extra's you have in a safe way. The common problem is people take it for 5 days symptoms go away they stop taking it. The bacteria can then form a resistance. This is the problem.

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Ignorance is bliss. But really its just a game of Mind over matter... If you don't mind it don't matter.blabbyboy

That doesn't always work. I imagine it didn't work for the victims of the black plague.

This is very interesting news though but, being an optimist and all, I believe the human race will outdo that.

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[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

It's due to the wide spread and improper usage of antibiotics and other drugs. If you're going to visit a country with a high case of certain bacterial disease and your doctor prescribes you an anbiotic and tells you to use all of it and when you come back home and discontinue usage, you're contributing to this. The article mentions how this started in india, where they have very little control over how medications are sold and used and people could buy something high grade over the counter. Another problem is that farms often put antibiotics in animal food because they makes them grow quicker, yet this greatly increased the risk of a bacterium overcoming an antibiotic, reproducing and then jumping from the pig to a person.

metroidfood

Yeah, this is exactly the problem. What's even more important than developing new antibiotics is making sure we don't overuse the drugs we have. If bacteria develop resistance to those too, what's the point? India may be bad, but the US still isn't helping. Antiobiotics need to be used sparingly and specifically if we want to keep them around for a while.

No, antibiotics are used pretty sparingly in the US. Its the poorer asian countries that hand out antibiotics like candy. Alot of people there when they goto the doctor feel cheated or ripped off unless they are given a prescription, thus antibiotics are given to basically anyone that goes to a doctor. Its a different culture where "drink lots of fluids and get plenty of rest" is considered a doctor stealing your money. (granted this is all based off someone i knew that lived in thailand, but hes a reliable source... he says all the natives get sick constantly because they rely on antibiotics everytime they get a cold... and he used to get sick alot when he first moved there, but he toughed it out and built up his immune system and never gets sick anymore)
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#17 goldari
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[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]Ignorance is bliss. But really its just a game of Mind over matter... If you don't mind it don't matter.leviathan91

That doesn't always work. I imagine it didn't work for the victims of the black plague.

This is very interesting news though but, being an optimist and all, I believe the human race will outdo that.

If you kept reading the article, we will not outdo. It said most companies stopped researching antibiotics, mostly because the profit exists in prescriptions you have to refill on a monthly basis. Drug companies dont want a one time prescription cure. They moved onto other things, like restless leg syndrome... not because its a big health issue, but because its a prescription that needs to be refilled regularly which equals profit.
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[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]Ignorance is bliss. But really its just a game of Mind over matter... If you don't mind it don't matter.leviathan91

That doesn't always work. I imagine it didn't work for the victims of the black plague.

This is very interesting news though but, being an optimist and all, I believe the human race will outdo that.

this is pretty true to be honest. ive talked to a few older men who have discussed this very subject with me. One even said in highschool he hated P.E. so he studied the symptoms of asthma and gave himself it and when he was done with school he got rid of it. Now considering david blaine can go 45 days without eating water and food this is a small task. The mind is more powerful then the body it gives substance to everything, without thought we are nothing.
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#19 goldari
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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]Ignorance is bliss. But really its just a game of Mind over matter... If you don't mind it don't matter.bluetadomonk

That doesn't always work. I imagine it didn't work for the victims of the black plague.

This is very interesting news though but, being an optimist and all, I believe the human race will outdo that.

this is pretty true to be honest. ive talked to a few older men who have discussed this very subject with me. One even said in highschool he hated P.E. so he studied the symptoms of asthma and gave himself it and when he was done with school he got rid of it. Now considering david blaine can go 45 days without eating water and food this is a small task. The mind is more powerful then the body it gives substance to everything, without thought we are nothing.

you realize david blaine is a magician right? The stuff he does isnt for realz.
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#20 shoot-first
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Maybe if we cover our ears and yell "lalalalalalala!", it wont affect us.

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#22 goldari
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YOUR WRONG DAVID BLAINE IS REAL. I DENY YOU BACK SATAN BACK NEXT YOUR GONNA SAY CHRIS ANGEL IS FAKE TOObluetadomonk
nah everyone knows chris angel is real.
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YOUR WRONG DAVID BLAINE IS REAL. I DENY YOU BACK SATAN BACK NEXT YOUR GONNA SAY CHRIS ANGEL IS FAKE TOObluetadomonk
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So... we're screwed then?
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#25 goldari
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So... we're screwed then?Chojuto
basically, then again humans could use a thinning of the herd. We prolong life far too long as is, imo.
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#26 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Yeah, antibiotic resistance is becoming a massive issue. Part of the problem is that people demand an antibiotic everytime they get sick regardless of whether they need one. Another issue is that people rarely take the full course, they often stop after they feel better. Finally, the food industry is a culprit. They're putting antibiotics into feed for a lot of animals to help promote their growth.

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#27 KungfuKitten
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Docs are on a prescription spree even in the west.
They say it is so controlled here but what I see is that basically everyone around me has had anti biotics for the silliest of things.

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#28 UniverseIX
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Can you imagine in the future where what was a mundane treatment becomes a game of Russian roulette when you go to the doctor?

CaveJohnson1

This is already happening. And not because drugs don't work, but because you're misdiagnosed and the drugs you are given are to cover symptoms and not the causes of the symptoms.

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#30 FUloin33
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am i the only person who thinks they have a cure for all the diseases like cancer, and such, but are too selfish to release it?
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[QUOTE="FUloin33"]am i the only person who thinks they have a cure for all the diseases like cancer, and such, but are too selfish to release it?magicalclick
that's odd because why not cash in?

Its essentially that you get more money people on medications that you have to be on for a life time, instead of fixing the problem and having them not be on medication.