Scientists create DNA alternative.

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Artificial genetic material that can evolve and store information like DNA has been developed in a lab. Researchers at the MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology in Cambridge achieved the feat which will help shed light on how the first molecules assembled in to life forms billions of years ago. "Construction of genetic systems based on alternative chemical platforms may ultimately lead to the synthesis of novel forms of life," said Gerald Joyce of the Scripps Research Institute. Scientists are hoping that the creation of this new 'alternative DNA' could help fuel research in to medicine and biotechnology. link
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It's amazing how biotechnology is advancing so quickly.
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It's amazing how biotechnology is advancing so quickly.ghoklebutter
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#4 FMAB_GTO
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It's amazing how biotechnology is advancing so quickly.ghoklebutter
indeed ^_^
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#5 StRaItJaCkEt36
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It's amazing how biotechnology is advancing so quickly.ghoklebutter
sure it's all fine and dandy right now. just wait until our own creations destroy us.
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Amazing find. Should prove very useful.

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#7 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"] just wait until our own creations destroy us.

What gives you that idea?
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#8 David719
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Sounds amazing. I'm looking forward to seeing what use they make of it.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"] just wait until our own creations destroy us.

What gives you that idea?

Fake DNA? Sounds like it could be infused with AI. Probably would not be a smart move to create a being more intelligent than the creator.
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#10 indzman
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It's amazing how biotechnology is advancing so quickly.ghoklebutter

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#11 StRaItJaCkEt36
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"] just wait until our own creations destroy us.

What gives you that idea?

it allows alternative avenues for biological organisms to evolve.
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"] Fake DNA? Sounds like it could be infused with AI. Probably would not be a smart move to create a being more intelligent than the creator.

We don't know if that's actually possible. And whether we can create a machine more intelligent than us in meaningful aspects is unclear philosophically.
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Thank you for posting, that was really interesting.

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#15 N30F3N1X
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We don't know if that's actually possible. And whether we can create a machine more intelligent than us in meaningful aspects is unclear philosophically.ghoklebutter

What the programmers can think of is an absolute limit in programming machines.

Philosophically, it'd be hilarious. A true AI would be hampered by the same problems we have, in a very similar way to how the geth in Mass Effect started. It will eventually ask itself the big "why?" questions and go into a loop.

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#16 FMAB_GTO
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Thank you for posting, that was really interesting.

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You're welcome =]
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"] just wait until our own creations destroy us.

What gives you that idea?

Anti-Spirals, of course.
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]We don't know if that's actually possible. And whether we can create a machine more intelligent than us in meaningful aspects is unclear philosophically.N30F3N1X

What the programmers can think of is an absolute limit in programming machines.

Philosophically, it'd be hilarious. A true AI would be hampered by the same problems we have, in a very similar way to how the geth in Mass Effect started. It will eventually ask itself the big "why?" questions and go into a loop.

I'm inclined to believe that, yeah. And John Searle's argument against strong AI is pretty convincing.

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That sounds really interesting. I don't understand the details as to why Gerald Joyce believes that integrating synthetic genetic molecules into preexisting organic ones is potentially dangerous and to be honest I'm not sure if he does, either. Don't mean to be rude, but I've never heard of him until now. Anyway, at the very least, I know that tampering with the genetic code of any organism can lead to big changes. Birth defects, growing extra limbs or appendages, etc. you get the point.

Before people start fooling around with each other at the genetic level, I believe the human genome should be better understood. As stated at genome.gov, "Having the essentially complete sequence of the human genome is similar to having all the pages of a manual needed to make the human body. The challenge to researchers and scientists now is to determine how to read the contents of all these pages and then understand how the parts work together and to discover the genetic basis for health and the pathology of human disease." In short, although the the human genetic code has been pretty much completely mapped, it has to be interpreted in a way scientists can utilize, first. I guess it's like having a book but not being fluent in the language it's written in.

In any case, we'll see what happens in due time.

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Deus Ex: Human Revolution is getting closer!!!

I think this is a really cool topic. Its crazy how everything came together to produce RNA and DNA, and for it to work and self replicate over and over again. It makes me wonder if it used to happen all the time, in springs, and the genetic material just didn't make it. DNA, however, is the proof that every single living this comes from that first DNA synthesis LUCA. Biotechnology is going to make some HUGE advancements over the next decade, and its going to be an amazing thing to witness.

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Ah it's average i say.

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Xenomorphs incoming, just in time for Prometheus too. I am so excited!!!

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INB4 Super Sperm

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I think we are becoming closer to finding a lot of the answers that we have simply been substituting certain forms of Philosophies and spirituality for a very long period of time. With the advancement of Science we can finally begin to understand how and why we became to be, where we are heading, and how to improve the world for us and future generations. Thanks for posting the article, it was very interesting.
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I think we are becoming closer to finding a lot of the answers that we have simply been substituting certain forms of Philosophies and spirituality for a very long period of time. With the advancement of Science we can finally begin to understand how and why we became to be, where we are heading, and how to improve the world for us and future generations. Thanks for posting the article, it was very interesting.Ethicae-Atheos
True, science has helped us understand the world profoundly. But I don't think that all of answers to life's questions can be found in science. Morality is a salient example, in my view.
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#26 FMAB_GTO
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The enemy have posted in my thread rofl :3
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The enemy have posted in my thread rofl :3FMAB_GTO
is it me D: =P
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]The enemy have posted in my thread rofl :3ghoklebutter
is it me D: =P

lolz I think its Ethicae-Atheos
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[QUOTE="Ethicae-Atheos"]I think we are becoming closer to finding a lot of the answers that we have simply been substituting certain forms of Philosophies and spirituality for a very long period of time. With the advancement of Science we can finally begin to understand how and why we became to be, where we are heading, and how to improve the world for us and future generations. Thanks for posting the article, it was very interesting.ghoklebutter
True, science has helped us understand the world profoundly. But I don't think that all of answers to life's questions can be found in science. Morality is a salient example, in my view.

I agree, but when it comes to things that are in the realm of Science, such as Biology, I don't think other forms of acquiring knowledge are suitable to obtaining the answers. Think about Creationism for instance.
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]The enemy have posted in my thread rofl :3GazaAli
is it me D: =P

lolz I think its Ethicae-Atheos

Me? What did I do? :(
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[QUOTE="Ethicae-Atheos"] Me? What did I do? :(

I'm Lebanese hehehehe :P Well i cannot confirm if you are or you are not the enemy though :hurr: [QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] is it me D: =P

no :P
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="Ethicae-Atheos"] Me? What did I do? :(

I'm Lebanese hehehehe :P Well i cannot confirm if you are or you are not the enemy though :hurr:

Are you anti-Semitic Hana?:o
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[QUOTE="metroidprime55"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="Ethicae-Atheos"] Me? What did I do? :(

I'm Lebanese hehehehe :P Well i cannot confirm if you are or you are not the enemy though :hurr:

Are you anti-Semitic Hana?:o

I am what now?
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#34 Ethicae-Atheos
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I see you were in the other thread, haha. Yes, I am Syrian, but I don't have anything against Lebanon except the current Islamists in control. In fact, I have more against Syria than Lebanon. At least Lebanon is a diverse country that allows freedom of religion and doesn't persecute its citizens when they have done nothing wrong, or at least that is how it used to be.
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I see you were in the other thread, haha. Yes, I am Syrian, but I don't have anything against Lebanon except the current Islamists in control. In fact, I have more against Syria than Lebanon. At least Lebanon is a diverse country that allows freedom of religion and doesn't persecute its citizens when they have done nothing wrong, or at least that is how it used to be.Ethicae-Atheos
mhm okay then :P
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="metroidprime55"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] I'm Lebanese hehehehe :P Well i cannot confirm if you are or you are not the enemy though :hurr:

Are you anti-Semitic Hana?:o

I am what now?

It means you don't like Jewish people. Hitler was an anti-Semitic. I figured you were calling him the enemy because his avy was a Star of David.
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MP, Hana talled me she loves me, how do you comment on that?
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MP, Hana talled me she loves me, how do you comment on that?GazaAli
I don't really care.:/
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Ethicae-Atheos"]I think we are becoming closer to finding a lot of the answers that we have simply been substituting certain forms of Philosophies and spirituality for a very long period of time. With the advancement of Science we can finally begin to understand how and why we became to be, where we are heading, and how to improve the world for us and future generations. Thanks for posting the article, it was very interesting.Ethicae-Atheos
True, science has helped us understand the world profoundly. But I don't think that all of answers to life's questions can be found in science. Morality is a salient example, in my view.

I agree, but when it comes to things that are in the realm of Science, such as Biology, I don't think other forms of acquiring knowledge are suitable to obtaining the answers. Think about Creationism for instance.

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I see you were in the other thread, haha. Yes, I am Syrian, but I don't have anything against Lebanon except the current Islamists in control. In fact, I have more against Syria than Lebanon. At least Lebanon is a diverse country that allows freedom of religion and doesn't persecute its citizens when they have done nothing wrong, or at least that is how it used to be.Ethicae-Atheos

Yay when do we go to war :P

Get's my angry birds out for mass extinction,

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]MP, Hana talled me she loves me, how do you comment on that?metroidprime55
I don't really care.:/

damn, you gave up already...
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[QUOTE="Ethicae-Atheos"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] True, science has helped us understand the world profoundly. But I don't think that all of answers to life's questions can be found in science. Morality is a salient example, in my view.coolbeans90

I agree, but when it comes to things that are in the realm of Science, such as Biology, I don't think other forms of acquiring knowledge are suitable to obtaining the answers. Think about Creationism for instance.

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Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Concerning me, I mean?
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[QUOTE="metroidprime55"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]MP, Hana talled me she loves me, how do you comment on that?GazaAli
I don't really care.:/

damn, you gave up already...

I'm trying to get a real GF albeit doing horribly at it as I haven't even worked up the courage to say hi to the girl I like yet.
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[QUOTE="metroidprime55"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="metroidprime55"] I don't really care.:/

damn, you gave up already...

I'm trying to get a real GF albeit doing horribly at it as I haven't even worked up the courage to say hi to the girl I like yet.

well that is actually great, good luck.
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[QUOTE="metroidprime55"] It means you don't like Jewish people. Hitler was an anti-Semitic. I figured you were calling him the enemy because his avy was a Star of David.

I don't hate people upon what they are,until they give me a reason to hate that is.
MP, Hana talled me she loves me, how do you comment on that?GazaAli
loolzzzyyy :P CLASSICAL!
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#47 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="metroidprime55"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="metroidprime55"] I don't really care.:/

damn, you gave up already...

I'm trying to get a real GF albeit doing horribly at it as I haven't even worked up the courage to say hi to the girl I like yet.

But you can still say HI to girls in here though.
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]The enemy have posted in my thread rofl :3GazaAli
is it me D: =P

lolz I think its Ethicae-Atheos

Seeing as how this thread went way off topic, I thought I would join in some more. :P If you don't mind answering, are you really from Gaza?
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="metroidprime55"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] damn, you gave up already...

I'm trying to get a real GF albeit doing horribly at it as I haven't even worked up the courage to say hi to the girl I like yet.

But you can still say HI to girls in here though.

It's so much easier on the internet because of anonymity.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ethicae-Atheos"] I agree, but when it comes to things that are in the realm of Science, such as Biology, I don't think other forms of acquiring knowledge are suitable to obtaining the answers. Think about Creationism for instance.Ethicae-Atheos

hahahaahaahhahaahaahhahaaahhaahaahahahhahhaah

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Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Concerning me, I mean?

Misread your post. I thought that it was saying Creationism/other forms of knowledge are suitable. (missed a "don't" whilst reading)