Scientology

what are your veiws? i personally think that anyone willing to take a religion featuring alieans written by a sci-fi wrighter seriously is a nuts. but hey i belive in an immortal 2000 year old jewish carpenter.

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can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?mixedplanet

There isn't any...

can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?mixedplanet

Scientology is a dangerous, violent cult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology-The main Wikipedia entry about the Church of Scientology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology - The founding belief of the Church of Scientology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard-A major founder of the Church of Scientology. A writer of Sci-fi novels who spent time on the run as a fugitive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_the_legal_system - 35 references and general information on Scientology.

http://www.scientology-lies.com/scientology/policy/fair-game.html - Scientology "Fair Game" policy.

http://www.scientology-lies.com/crimes/index.html - An index of incidents throughout Scientology

LISA MCPHERSON:

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_mcpherson

Quite possibly one of the most disturbing things this "Church" has commited.

ELLI PERKINS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elli_Perkins

A woman stabbed to death by her schizo son after Scientologists took him off his meds.

JOSEPHUS A. HAVENITH

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/room771.html

Was found inside a bath tub filled with water so hot his skin was burned off. He showed signs of drowning, but did not have his head underwater.

can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?mixedplanet

Secular definition of a cult:

"A cult is a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of [consequences of] leaving it, etc) designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community."

can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?mixedplanet

Just the size.

(a whole ton of info)Dracargen

People seriously need to look past the dictionary to see what a cult is. To compare a cult like Scientology to all of religion is maddeningly ignorant.

Signs of a cult:

People are put in physically or emotionally distressing situations;

Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;

They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader;

They get a new identity based on the group;

They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives, and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled;

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability;

No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry;

No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement;

Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions;

There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil;

Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances;

There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?DJ_Lae

Just the size.

Win

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[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?Kuhu

Just the size.

Win

By what account? A dictionary? By the dictionary, political groups and alternative medicine is considered a cult as well.:roll:

There is so much difference between a cult and normal religion that it isn't funny to compare the two, or call one a bigger cult than the other.

[QUOTE="Kuhu"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?Dracargen

Just the size.

Win

By what account? A dictionary? By the dictionary, political groups and alternative medicine is considered a cult as well.:roll:

There is so much difference between a cult and normal religion that it isn't funny to compare the two, or call one a bigger cult than the other.

I can't really defend myself here because I didn't propose an argument in the first place, I just said "Win'' -_-

Could somebody who follows anon or is in anon please update me on the fight they had?

Becuase if i remember correctly just a few months ago dudes wearing V for Vendetta mask were announcing Scientologys downfall, but did anon even have any success other than messing with there website for a little bit?

can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?mixedplanet

Whether or not the dubious origins are lost to time.

No different than any other religion.DeeJayInphinity

That's my view on it aswell.

can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?mixedplanet

Exactly correct. Is a religion based on aliens any more absurd than believing some guy built a watercraft capable of carrying two of every species of creature on the planet? Is a far-fetched book written 2000 years ago more valid than a far-fetched book written 60 years ago? Is the God that the Cistine Chapel is dedicated to any more solid than the one the Sphinx is dedicated to? In short, No. Every religion has no basis in fact they simply ask you to take thier word for it. In truth, Tom Cruise is no crazier than your local pastor.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]No different than any other religion.ElectronicMagic

That's my view on it aswell.

The sole difference is that we know the origins of this religion, and they're reliably documented.

I have no problem with people who want to believe that BS, but the tactics of scientology are wholly unethical

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?DarkElf2112

Exactly correct. Is a religion based on aliens any more absurd than believing some guy built a watercraft capable of carrying two of every species of creature on the planet? Is a far-fetched book written 2000 years ago more valid than a far-fetched book written 60 years ago? Is the God that the Cistine Chapel is dedicated to any more solid than the one the Sphinx is dedicated to? In short, No. Every religion has no basis in fact they simply ask you to take thier word for it. In truth, Tom Cruise is no crazier than your local pastor.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8449/two.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history#Chronicler.27s_History

Christianity has a bit more going for it than scientology

can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?mixedplanet

acceptance by society

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?DarkElf2112

Exactly correct. Is a religion based on aliens any more absurd than believing some guy built a watercraft capable of carrying two of every species of creature on the planet? Is a far-fetched book written 2000 years ago more valid than a far-fetched book written 60 years ago? Is the God that the Cistine Chapel is dedicated to any more solid than the one the Sphinx is dedicated to? In short, No. Every religion has no basis in fact they simply ask you to take thier word for it. In truth, Tom Cruise is no crazier than your local pastor.

Depends on if you believe in religion or not.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Kuhu"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?Kuhu

Just the size.

Win

By what account? A dictionary? By the dictionary, political groups and alternative medicine is considered a cult as well.:roll:

There is so much difference between a cult and normal religion that it isn't funny to compare the two, or call one a bigger cult than the other.

I can't really defend myself here because I didn't propose an argument in the first place, I just said "Win'' -_-

No...You just got proved wrong so you tried to act like you didn't mean anything by saying "win" :|

there's that tolerance atheists always pride themselves on:roll: but I'll humor you and take your claims seriously

Exactly correct. Is a religion based on aliens any more absurd than believing some guy built a watercraft capable of carrying two of every species of creature on the planet? DarkElf2112

Jesus, yes. Noah, maybe not.

Is a far-fetched book written 2000 years ago more valid than a far-fetched book written 60 years ago? DarkElf2112

yes because there is a wide breadth of historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Is the God that the Cistine Chapel is dedicated to any more solid than the one the Sphinx is dedicated to? DarkElf2112

yes because we have a very good idea of just how christianity started. you can actually go to the places Jesus walked. we have no idea how the religion regardign the sphinx started.

In short, No. Every religion has no basis in fact they simply ask you to take thier word for it. DarkElf2112

:lol::lol::lol: no buddy, you may say that the evidence for the truth behind christianity is lacking, but you cannot say that there is no evidence or facts to back it up because there is in reality a wide breadth of evidence and facts to back up the veracity of chrsitianity.

In truth, Tom Cruise is no crazier than your local pastor.

DarkElf2112

what are your veiws? i personally think that anyone willing to take a religion featuring alieans written by a sci-fi wrighter seriously is a nuts. but hey i belive in an immortal 2000 year old jewish carpenter.

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thegoldenpoo

its a joke of a religion.

"the only significant religion to emerge in the 21st century"

what are they trying to compete?

can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?mixedplanet

cult is to make money

Religion is to CONTROL AND make money

I watched a DVD they made and it was H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S. str8 BS from A to Z, and between all "sections", if you dare call them so, they REMIND you to buy the books of Ron L Lulzbard, which is like AT LEAST 20 times

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?DrCoCoPiMp

cult is to make money

Religion is to CONTROL AND make money

I dissagree.

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]can anyone tell me the difference between a cult and a religion?DrCoCoPiMp

cult is to make money

Religion is to CONTROL AND make money

hm a religion that has aliens and ufos founded by a fugitive sci-fi writer.. come on people!

plus if you haven't you should see the South Park episode all this.

hm a religion that has aliens and ufos founded by a fugitive sci-fi writer.. come on people!

plus if you haven't you should see the South Park episode all this.

paradigm68

In addition, they believe the earth and universe are TRILLIONS of years old (as opposed to the accepted age of the universe, 13 billion-16 billion years), that all humans have a Thetan, which is a god-like spirit that is eight trillion years old, and is implanted at death into another person, and eventually join what is known as the Intergalactic Thetan Collective.

Seriously, I will believe Noah's Ark to be true before I believe this crock of ****. Instead of Young Earth Creationism, people need to be focusing on Scientology.

[QUOTE="paradigm68"]

hm a religion that has aliens and ufos founded by a fugitive sci-fi writer.. come on people!

plus if you haven't you should see the South Park episode all this.

Dracargen

In addition, they believe the earth and universe are TRILLIONS of years old (as opposed to the accepted age of the universe, 13 billion-16 billion years), that all humans have a Thetan, which is a god-like spirit that is eight trillion years old, and is implanted at death into another person, and eventually join what is known as the Intergalactic Thetan Collective.

Seriously, I will believe Noah's Ark to be true before I believe this crock of ****. Instead of Young Earth Creationism, people need to be focusing on Scientology.