Scotland wants to separate from the UK?

Trust me, that sentiment goes back a long, loooooooooong way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chiqgHnbiN0

William would be proud!

I feel that Scotland going independent after so long of being part of a larger union would be a pretty bad move. Not just for Scotland, but for England as well, both countries are dependent on one another. While history between both countries isn't great, we are better off as an allied whole rather than going independent and allowing bitterness to resurface.

Scotland isn't strong enough to stand on it's own, just as England isn't strong enough. While Scotland, England, Wales and Northen Ireland may not always see eye to eye with one another, we are stronger as a whole than apart.
As long as all parts are willing to work together and put aside old hatreds.

T'is about time they let them go.

I feel that Scotland going independent after so long of being part of a larger union would be a pretty bad move. Not just for Scotland, but for England as well, both countries are dependent on one another. While history between both countries isn't great, we are better off as an allied whole rather than going independent and allowing bitterness to resurface.

Scotland isn't strong enough to stand on it's own, just as England isn't strong enough. While Scotland, England, Wales and Northen Ireland may not always see eye to eye with one another, we are stronger as a whole than apart.
As long as all parts are willing to work together and put aside old hatreds.

Smokescreened84

England is strong enough to stand on its own. Though I do believe the breaking up of the UK should be thought through fully before it's done.

it wont happen if a referendum was held tomorrow Scottish people would vote No the only reason they voted for the SNP is because of the Conservative government current sitting pretty in Whitehall Alex Salmond has already prepared his cop out he will ask for great financial powers in exchange for not holding a referendum i personally would call his bluff and tell him to hold the referendum just so we could all sit back and watch him get shot down in flames by voters up North .

T'is about time they let them go.

TehFuneral

I'm not sure how this will turn out as I have no idea how the populice feels about the UK in general, but England is under no obligation to release them from the UK even if they do vote for independance. The Act of Union can only be null if England feels it should be that way.

If they really want to, then I don't see why not.

I'm not sure how this will turn out as I have no idea how the populice feels about the UK in general, but England is under no obligation to release them from the UK even if they do vote for independance. The Act of Union can only be null if England feels it should be that way.

Espada12

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I'm not sure how this will turn out as I have no idea how the populice feels about the UK in general, but England is under no obligation to release them from the UK even if they do vote for independance. The Act of Union can only be null if England feels it should be that way.

Ninja-Hippo

Ah yes I keep referring to England because Westminster lies there haha.

A lot of good that did Ireland :roll: Overlord93

Being Irish I am very concerned by this comment. Fighting and winning independance from the British Empire was the best ting to happen to Ireland.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]A lot of good that did Ireland :roll: tenaka2

Being Irish I am very concerned by this comment. Fighting and winning independance from the British Empire was the best ting to happen to Ireland.

I'm not sure how this will turn out as I have no idea how the populice feels about the UK in general, but England is under no obligation to release them from the UK even if they do vote for independance. The Act of Union can only be null if England feels it should be that way.

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I'm not sure how this will turn out as I have no idea how the populice feels about the UK in general, but England is under no obligation to release them from the UK even if they do vote for independance. The Act of Union can only be null if England feels it should be that way.

snakes_codec

Scottish Parliament cannot rule on matters like this, the UK parliament is the only one. Infact if not for the Act of Scotland (wales and north ireland have one to) Scotland wouldn't even have a parliament. My use of england was a bad one because I just kept thinking where westminster was located.

They certainly should be able to separate from the UK if the Scottish public vote for it. Although I think it's better for the union to remain, but perhaps with further devolved powers, maybe it should become a federal state.

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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]A lot of good that did Ireland :roll: Overlord93

Being Irish I am very concerned by this comment. Fighting and winning independance from the British Empire was the best ting to happen to Ireland.

But its only been independant around 90 years. Once a foreign nation invades another, and rips out the natural resources and attempts to destroy the native language religion and culture it can take a country a while to get back on its feet.

You would be hard pressed to find any Irish person whos view would differ from mine.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Being Irish I am very concerned by this comment. Fighting and winning independance from the British Empire was the best ting to happen to Ireland.

tenaka2

But its only been independant around 90 years. Once a foreign nation invades another, and rips out the natural resources and attempts to destroy the native language religion and culture it can take a country a while to get back on its feet.

You would be hard pressed to find any Irish person whos view would differ from mine.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] Nationalistically? Maybe. Economically? No.Overlord93

But its only been independant around 90 years. Once a foreign nation invades another, and rips out the natural resources and attempts to destroy the native language religion and culture it can take a country a while to get back on its feet.

You would be hard pressed to find any Irish person whos view would differ from mine.

I think patriotism worked quite well for America, no?

I think patriotism worked quite well for America, no?Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]I think patriotism worked quite well for America, no?Lonelynight

Ireland is far from getting back on its feet, and its has plenty of time to do so if it wanted. it's only downhill from here, the government is a mess and ironicly is relying on the EU for its backup, trying to drag half of europe down with it. So yeah, its looking good...I can't see how this hasn't benefitted the Irish people. Put your nationalism away, it wont help you. Practicly Ireland's entire skilled workforce moves to the UK after gaining their qualifications. If scotland wants out of the UK, fine, but its a decision based on patriotism. A blind belief.

Overlord93

Your obviously not Irish so you have no idea of context with regards this argument, I don't thinks its worth replying to your posts, its only matter of time before the words 'Brittinia Rules the Waves' kick in :)

I think patriotism worked quite well for America, no?Victorious_Fize

A economically and resourcefully weak nation being heavily supported and funded by the union, and given their own government so they can make their own laws? no, thats silly.

Your obviously not Irishtenaka2

mfw I am

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]Your obviously not IrishOverlord93

mfw I am

MushroomWig

Bah forget teh scots, The picts demnand their land back, The scots can go back to Ireland (Thats where they came from)

Ireland is far from getting back on its feet, and its has plenty of time to do so if it wanted. it's only downhill from here, the government is a mess and ironicly is relying on the EU for its backup, trying to drag half of europe down with it. So yeah, its looking good...I can't see how this hasn't benefitted the Irish people. Put your nationalism away, it wont help you. Practicly Ireland's entire skilled workforce moves to the UK after gaining their qualifications. If scotland wants out of the UK, fine, but its a decision based on patriotism. A blind belief.

Overlord93

And the UK's economy is just stellar right now, right?

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

Ireland is far from getting back on its feet, and its has plenty of time to do so if it wanted. it's only downhill from here, the government is a mess and ironicly is relying on the EU for its backup, trying to drag half of europe down with it. So yeah, its looking good...I can't see how this hasn't benefitted the Irish people. Put your nationalism away, it wont help you. Practicly Ireland's entire skilled workforce moves to the UK after gaining their qualifications. If scotland wants out of the UK, fine, but its a decision based on patriotism. A blind belief.

superfluidity

And the UK's economy is just stellar right now, right?

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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

Ireland is far from getting back on its feet, and its has plenty of time to do so if it wanted. it's only downhill from here, the government is a mess and ironicly is relying on the EU for its backup, trying to drag half of europe down with it. So yeah, its looking good...I can't see how this hasn't benefitted the Irish people. Put your nationalism away, it wont help you. Practicly Ireland's entire skilled workforce moves to the UK after gaining their qualifications. If scotland wants out of the UK, fine, but its a decision based on patriotism. A blind belief.

Overlord93

And the UK's economy is just stellar right now, right?

Irish people would prefer to be free, money isn't everything, compaired to the rest of the world it's doing fine.

Wager Scottish separation on the next match between their respective national soccer teams.

relative to Ireland, yes it is.Overlord93

I think I sense a bit of nationalism in that assessment.

Why would they want to be seperate? They have their own national soccer team and their own parliment, what more do they want? At least as part of the union they get economic benefits.

I don't think it willl happen now, but i can imagine it happening in twenty years or so.

Why would they want to be seperate? They have their own national soccer team and their own parliment, what more do they want? At least as part of the union they get economic benefits.

redstorm72

lol. if only.

Irish people would prefer to be free, money isn't everything, compaired to the rest of the world it's doing fine.tenaka2

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]relative to Ireland, yes it is.superfluidity

I think I sense a bit of nationalism in that assessment.

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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]relative to Ireland, yes it is.Overlord93

I think I sense a bit of nationalism in that assessment.

Cool as in true? You're aware that the UK itself could very well require an EU bailout at some point, correct? The UK national debt was something like 200+ percent of GDP last I read.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="superfluidity"]

I think I sense a bit of nationalism in that assessment.

superfluidity

Cool as in true? You're aware that the UK itself could very well require an EU bailout at some point, correct? The UK national debt was something like 200+ percent of GDP last I read.

UK has its own currency, we can simply decrease or increase its value and ride it out. Ireland? nope, Britain's debt is far more than that of greece, and yet we don't have half the troubles....you know why? we kept the pound and the economic control that comes with it.Overlord93

Well that's a fine solution, just print more money! Zimbabwe tried that recently, look into how that worked out.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] UK has its own currency, we can simply decrease or increase its value and ride it out. Ireland? nope, Britain's debt is far more than that of greece, and yet we don't have half the troubles....you know why? we kept the pound and the economic control that comes with it.superfluidity

Well that's a fine solution, just print more money! Zimbabwe tried that recently, look into how that worked out.