Sexual orientation is set in the womb

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#1 skivit
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Just thought id post this for the people who still believe homsexuality is a choice.

Peoples thoughts?

Pretty much just reaffirms what i believed in the first place.

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#2 Jaysonguy
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The idea that homosexuality is a choice has always been laughable

That means that any straight man could choose to be gay

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#3 SaintLeonidas
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even scientific data wont be able to convince some people on here, no matter what they find about hormones and chemicals and brains size, and even no matter how many times gay men and women themselves say it wasnt a choice, some people will always be to ignorant when it comes to this issue.
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pwned.

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#5 HybridPhoenix
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This just adds on to the research that showed certain mental reactions to female and male pheramones in gay woman/straight men and gay men/straight woman, in which, the gaymen/straight woman were attracted to the same thing and vice versa

Good find.

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#6 duxup
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Yeah I also don't know what good this science stuff does for the argument. Some people are just homophobes and won't believe anything if it involves them having to deal with other people doing / feeling things they don't like.
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#7 Mochyc
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pwned.

xxDustmanxx

Pwned indeed. I wonder what homophobes will come up with next...

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even scientific data wont be able to convince some people on here, no matter what they find about hormones and chemicals and brains size, and even no matter how many times gay men and women themselves say it wasnt a choice, some people will always be to ignorant when it comes to this issue.SaintLeonidas
I think it's like this; people who say it's a choice are actually bisexual. :o
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[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

pwned.

Mochyc

Pwned indeed. I wonder what homophobes will come up with next...

No, teh Gheyz r just bored straight guys! :cry:

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#10 Silenthps
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Thats certainly not strong enough evidence. Maybe if they did something like study the brains while there still fetus then wait to see them grow up then I'd believe it. But even that wouldn't change the fact that I've heard so many stories about girls who got in a bad relationship with a man, decided to sware off men, and go completely lesbian.
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#11 comp_atkins
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pffft.. science.. what has that ever proven?
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Thats certainly not strong enough evidence. Maybe if they did something like study the brains while there still fetus then wait to see them grow up then I'd believe it. But even that wouldn't change the fact that I've heard so many stories about girls who got in a bad relationship with a man, decided to sware off men, and go completely lesbian. Silenthps

people like that are stupid and probably very lonely, because no logical person makes the decision to be persecuted by society.

It's not a choice, people can obviously make the choice to partake in homosexual relations but to actually be gay is not a choice

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#13 Mochyc
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Thats certainly not strong enough evidence. Maybe if they did something like study the brains while there still fetus then wait to see them grow up then I'd believe it. But even that wouldn't change the fact that I've heard so many stories about girls who got in a bad relationship with a man, decided to sware off men, and go completely lesbian. Silenthps

So you're saying that the brain structure could have changed during the person's lifetime? Right...

And by the way, the women you are talking about are feminisits, a minority...

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#14 skivit
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Thats certainly not strong enough evidence. Maybe if they did something like study the brains while there still fetus then wait to see them grow up then I'd believe it. But even that wouldn't change the fact that I've heard so many stories about girls who got in a bad relationship with a man, decided to sware off men, and go completely lesbian. Silenthps

Ive had quite a few bad relationships with girls before and got badly hurt, but i certainly havent started liking men... :?

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Well I think the researcher doing said study is forgetting that in Behavioral Biology it is generally accepted that it isn't "Nature or Nurture" it is "Nature AND Nurture". This doesn't explain the occasional person who seems to switch orientation mid-life.

It's a mix of your physical development, and your experiences really

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Who really cares? I'd like to see science prove something worthwhile.
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#17 comp_atkins
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Thats certainly not strong enough evidence. Maybe if they did something like study the brains while there still fetus then wait to see them grow up then I'd believe it. But even that wouldn't change the fact that I've heard so many stories about girls who got in a bad relationship with a man, decided to sware off men, and go completely lesbian. Silenthps

my guess is its not a strictly digital thing in a person's brain.. that is straight or gay with no area in between. its probably more shades of gray.. which is why you have people who are bisexual and are completely comefortable with that.

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#18 ferrari2001
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I do belive the impulsese to be gay are not a choice but this story really doesn't prove being gay isn't a choice. The parts of the brain are not the sexual parts but the "feminine" side. Just as conserned with looks, caring, stuff like that (in guys of course.) the parts of the brains the same deal nothing with sexual orientation at all. Nice Try though.
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#19 yoshi-lnex
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This isn't news, science has held that sexual orientation is not a choice for a while now.
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#20 ithilgore2006
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I always reckoned the cause was a slightly different brain, in that the chemical reactions and hormones released are more like the heterosexual members of the person's opposite gender, then the members of the same gender. It would explain the attraction, of course.
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#21 Devil-Itachi
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Why no mention of Bi's? In anycase I believe it is a choice, not saying people consiciously choose though.
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Wow, just wow.
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#23 LexLas
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Story

Just thought id post this for the people who still believe homsexuality is a choice.

Peoples thoughts?

Pretty much just reaffirms what i believed in the first place.

skivit
Well that is quite interesting. I gotta say for me to see a guy like i lust at a women i would need a brain transplant and maybe more. Cause women to me are sexay and extremely attractive. I can never feel that way about a guy ?
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now, the question is if people's sexuality is determined while in the womb, it will probably be possible to do tests on the fetus and find out if it is gay or straight. This will allow parents to be able to abort the fetus if it is gay which will anger gay activists and most likely turn them against abortion, imagine that the gays and the conservatives on the same side for once. Although i do fear that the horrific possibility of aborting fetuses just because they're gay might cause some on the Christian life to support abortion, (hopefully that number will be few, most conservative Christians don't think gays have a right to marry, but only an idiot thinks they don't have the right to live). Hopefully such a development will lead to the demise of the holocaustic monster of abortion.
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now, the question is if people's sexuality is determined while in the womb, it will probably be possible to do tests on the fetus and find out if it is gay or straight. This will allow parents to be able to abort the fetus if it is gay which will anger gay activists and most likely turn them against abortion, imagine that the gays and the conservatives on the same side for once. Although i do fear that the horrific possibility of aborting fetuses just because they're gay might cause some on the Christian life to support abortion, (hopefully that number will be few, most conservative Christians don't think gays have a right to marry, but only an idiot thinks they don't have the right to live). Hopefully such a development will lead to the demise of the holocaustic monster of abortion.whipassmt
By the time they could test the fetus for something like that, it would be well developed, you really think many people would kill it for testing "positive", when it's almost fully formed?
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Yea whatever. Call me when I can blame nature on why I think anime chicks are hot. :P Alright, if I don't post something serious to show that was a joke people are probably going to flame me. Question, how do they know it's A that caused B and not B caused A? I mean the brain is like a muscle right? What are the possibilities that because a person is gay it works that part of their brain thus makes those changes? Like take video games, there is probably some part our brains that is worked much more and thus more developed. (like the part that goes with hand eye coordination) If they did a study and found that little difference and claimed that they were born like that, would you not question them? I'm not saying that's how it is, I'm just asking how do they know it's not like that. I mean it said they tested healthy ADULTS right? How can you decide something about when you're born by looking at how you are now? And don't call me a homophobe cuz I don't give a rats ass what you do. I'm with Termite551, I think it's nature AND nature not either or. It's a combination of how you are born and your environment. (the influence of each varies greatly between people of course.) It's like (don't get offended by the comparison) fat people. Are people born fat or do they chose to be fat? It's not that simple, it depends on the person. And like being fat I believe that if you work hard enough you can change yourself, which is how some people switch sides. It wasn't just like, "ok, I'm going to be not gay now." It was probably hard and took quite a while.
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I like men now.
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#28 fanofazrienoch
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it might not be a choice, but I call BS on this study
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]now, the question is if people's sexuality is determined while in the womb, it will probably be possible to do tests on the fetus and find out if it is gay or straight. This will allow parents to be able to abort the fetus if it is gay which will anger gay activists and most likely turn them against abortion, imagine that the gays and the conservatives on the same side for once. Although i do fear that the horrific possibility of aborting fetuses just because they're gay might cause some on the Christian life to support abortion, (hopefully that number will be few, most conservative Christians don't think gays have a right to marry, but only an idiot thinks they don't have the right to live). Hopefully such a development will lead to the demise of the holocaustic monster of abortion.ithilgore2006
By the time they could test the fetus for something like that, it would be well developed, you really think many people would kill it for testing "positive", when it's almost fully formed?

hopefully not, but you never know with some people. In India it is common for people to abort the fetus if they find out it's female.
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Well I think the researcher doing said study is forgetting that in Behavioral Biology it is generally accepted that it isn't "Nature or Nurture" it is "Nature AND Nurture". This doesn't explain the occasional person who seems to switch orientation mid-life.

It's a mix of your physical development, and your experiences really

Termite551

This.

That's like saying if I turn out to become a Serial Killer, it's purely because of what happened to me in the womb.

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[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]now, the question is if people's sexuality is determined while in the womb, it will probably be possible to do tests on the fetus and find out if it is gay or straight. This will allow parents to be able to abort the fetus if it is gay which will anger gay activists and most likely turn them against abortion, imagine that the gays and the conservatives on the same side for once. Although i do fear that the horrific possibility of aborting fetuses just because they're gay might cause some on the Christian life to support abortion, (hopefully that number will be few, most conservative Christians don't think gays have a right to marry, but only an idiot thinks they don't have the right to live). Hopefully such a development will lead to the demise of the holocaustic monster of abortion.whipassmt
By the time they could test the fetus for something like that, it would be well developed, you really think many people would kill it for testing "positive", when it's almost fully formed?

hopefully not, but you never know with some people. In India it is common for people to abort the fetus if they find out it's female.

My dad has 3 sisters. :|

Two of which were born before him, or are you talking towards the lower end of the economic scale?

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So it's a mutation or something?
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Agrees.
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#34 MindFreeze
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The idea that homosexuality is a choice has always been laughable

That means that any straight man could choose to be gay

Jaysonguy

But then they say "only under certain circumstances..."

This is too much like people rejecting evolution, new evidence is continueing to be found but there's always those who just refuse to listen to it.

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#35 Ontain
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well if "God" created them that way it's pretty hard for the religious zealots to say it's an evil choice that they make.
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#36 TheFlush
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I know that being gay is no choice, but if it was, should it matter? I think not, some people can make such a big deal out of something so insignificant.
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now, the question is if people's sexuality is determined while in the womb, it will probably be possible to do tests on the fetus and find out if it is gay or straight. This will allow parents to be able to abort the fetus if it is gay which will anger gay activists and most likely turn them against abortion, imagine that the gays and the conservatives on the same side for once. Although i do fear that the horrific possibility of aborting fetuses just because they're gay might cause some on the Christian life to support abortion, (hopefully that number will be few, most conservative Christians don't think gays have a right to marry, but only an idiot thinks they don't have the right to live). Hopefully such a development will lead to the demise of the holocaustic monster of abortion.whipassmt
My guess is that if someone is THAT kind of "Christian" where they would get an abortion if it was gay then they probably would never believe any study they do to find out it's gay no matter what. Guess narrow mindedness can have a good side to it too eh?:P And this whole topic is so crazy. Gays and conservatives working together? Narrow mindedness being a life saver? Damn this world has sure gone crazy.:shock:
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pffft.. science.. what has that ever proven?comp_atkins

awesome! science proves nothing!

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it might not be a choice, but I call BS on this studyfanofazrienoch
(Unrelated to quoted post) I actually read this story just this morning waiting for my sister's bus to pick her up. (Now related) While this may be a great find, a valid point was raised when someone pointed out that this is just one such test and shouldn't be labelled as fact just yet in the news story I was reading. It's from today's Philadelphia Inquirer.