Should books receive ratings? (ie R, PG etc)

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#1 turtlethetaffer
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I love reading but there are alot of books with some very... suggestive stuff. The question here is "should books have ratings?" I honestly don't see why they shouldn't, you know, stuff like "violence" language and stuff like that. What does OT think?

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#2 Nibroc420
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It's not quite the same as movies and video-games. Sure, a book on the human centipede would/could be pretty gross if it were descriptive enough... However I doubt it would be as bad as watching the same thing happen.
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#3 Hakarie
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No, its ridiculous, and adult books are at the adult section already anyway.

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#4 Oleg_Huzwog
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Yes, it would help me weed out the boring crap. If there's no smut in the book, then what's the point?

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#5 Nibroc420
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Yes, it would help me weed out the boring crap. If there's no smut in the book, then what's the point?

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To bore you.
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#6 martinX3X
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yea that would be cool.

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#7 SilentSoprano
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Game of Thrones would be XXX in some parts...am I right? It's still a fantastic book nontheless. I haven't finished it yet though.

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#8 cd_rom
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Generally speaking, if you're mature enough to read a novel, you're probably mature enough to read about a boob.
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#9 soulless4now
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A rating system for books wouldn't be a bad idea for the sake of children, but other than that, I doesn't matter to me.

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#10 Nibroc420
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A rating system for books wouldn't be a bad idea for the sake of children, but other than that, I doesn't matter to me.

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What would the point be? ":o omg, in this book, there's a boob :o, we must rate it R!" there's a reason there are "adult bookstores", anything too graphic for a child, is inaccessible to a child.
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#11 monkeymoose5000
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...read?
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#12 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="soulless4now"]

A rating system for books wouldn't be a bad idea for the sake of children, but other than that, I doesn't matter to me.

Nibroc420

What would the point be?
":o omg, in this book, there's a boob :o, we must rate it R!"

there's a reason there are "adult bookstores", anything too graphic for a child, is inaccessible to a child.

Yeah, but those places always smell like latex. It'd be nice to get a book without the latex smell.

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#13 LoG-Sacrament
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im not against informing parents, but rating systems inevitably turn into popularity contests and studio/publisher lobbying.
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#14 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="soulless4now"]

A rating system for books wouldn't be a bad idea for the sake of children, but other than that, I doesn't matter to me.

Oleg_Huzwog

What would the point be?
":o omg, in this book, there's a boob :o, we must rate it R!"

there's a reason there are "adult bookstores", anything too graphic for a child, is inaccessible to a child.

Yeah, but those places always smell like latex. It'd be nice to get a book without the latex smell.

Just be glad they're all new, used would smell even worse :P

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#15 turtlethetaffer
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im not against informing parents, but rating systems inevitably turn into popularity contests and studio/publisher lobbying. LoG-Sacrament

That was my primary thought about what it could be used for.

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#16 MetallicaKings
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No. Because you are imagining everything. Imagine a man getting his head chopped off then a pterodactyl eating it. See? Just as bad. But this post isn't R rated. You can think of up any gruesome thing in your head.
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#17 SPYDER0416
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If a kid is mature enough to read and understand an adult novel, then he's probably mature enough for the content inside. Plus it really is up to the parent to determine what is right for the kid, not some ratings system.

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#18 turtlethetaffer
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If a kid is mature enough to read and understand an adult novel, then he's probably mature enough for the content inside. Plus it really is up to the parent to determine what is right for the kid, not some ratings system.

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Well I meant a parent could fin what was in the book then decide.

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It's not quite the same as movies and video-games. Sure, a book on the human centipede would/could be pretty gross if it were descriptive enough... However I doubt it would be as bad as watching the same thing happen.Nibroc420

I don't see how seeing the image in your head is much worse than literally seeing it.

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#20 xdude85
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No, unless you read books aloud to everyone so they know what sick stuff you're in to.
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#21 MetallicaKings
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]It's not quite the same as movies and video-games. Sure, a book on the human centipede would/could be pretty gross if it were descriptive enough... However I doubt it would be as bad as watching the same thing happen.Pffrbt

I don't see how seeing the image in your head is much worse than literally seeing it.

Really now? Read the description to 3 men and a hammer, then watch the video. I think your view will change.
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#22 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]It's not quite the same as movies and video-games. Sure, a book on the human centipede would/could be pretty gross if it were descriptive enough... However I doubt it would be as bad as watching the same thing happen.Pffrbt

I don't see how seeing the image in your head is much worse than literally seeing it.

You probably haven't seen the human centipede.

EDIT: Wait, i never said "seeing the image in your head is much worse", i was saying that it ISN'T worse. Imagining something gruesome isn't as bad as watching something gruesome.

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#23 RageQuit4Life
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If that actually happened, kids could looking for "R" books to read in book store. :lol:

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#24 Tokugawa77
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No that is the worst idea I've ever heard. It will just prevent kids from reading books that they might have otherwise picked up (as if we need less kids to read). Alternatively, the R rating of a book may encourage teens to read it :P. Anyway people will just abuse the system to put a restrictive ratings on books that they think are offensive and aren't (Catcher in the Rye) or that contradict the their personal beliefs (His Dark Materials).

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#25 NiKva
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There's not really a point to do that now. Books and writings have been made for thousands of years, why go through the process of rating books now :l

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#26 nintendoman562
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Usually a mature book uses language which is too sophisticated for younger ones. If you can understand the book, then you're probably mature enough to deal with those type of themes.

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#27 bluetadomonk
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thatz like communism
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#28 ThePlothole
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No. It would just lead to more censorship.
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#29 kayoticdreamz
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no. one major problem is the people that review this stuff would have to read the book. anaylze it then slap a rating on it. it could easily get delayed. where as you can in about 2 1/2 hours rate a 2 hour movie. same with a game play a short 2 hour demo to rate the game. book rating would take a lot longer.
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#30 Tokugawa77
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A rating system for books wouldn't be a bad idea for the sake of children, but other than that, I doesn't matter to me.

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For the sake of children? In my opinion, people (minors included) should have the right to read whatever book they want. If the book is that innapropriate kids who shouldn't be reading it will get bored anyway. In a way, labeling a book as R will just serve as an incentive for kids to pick it up (Which I encourage, but I'm sure most parents would not want).

The right to read is like the right to intellectual freedom. I hate it when parents don't allow their kids to read material just because it contradicts what the parents believe. (religion is a perfect example). Let's say for example that I was a Christian parent. i would encourage my kids to read about other religions so that they would question their own beliefs. It teaches kids to think critically, to not follow just on blind faith, in fact it would likely strengthen their conviction in christianity. Some parents are so overprotective...

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#31 kayoticdreamz
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No. It would just lead to more censorship.ThePlothole
and then there is this. games wont be sold in stores with an AO rating. any movie in theaters above the R rating stands no chance of success. books dont need to be tied down to this. also to go with my first post imagine having to edit a large book to shove it into an R rating? seriously this would spell misery on so many levels.
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You'll end up with the same subjective idiocy that infects the MPAA and ESRB.

With the MPAA, you have studios making relatively minor cuts to a movie to avoid a stricter rating. For example, do you know how much needed to be cut from "Robocop" to ensure an R rating? Six freakin' seconds. That's all that stood between an R and an X (which, at the time, was the kiss of death for major distrbution).

Granted, it's almost as bad in the publishing industry. Take a look at Stephen King's "The Stand:" the original release is almost 500 pages shorter than the modern version. If you actually get a hold of the abridged version, you see that several pivotal scenes are shortened and some of the "flavor" of the novel has been watered down (for example: there's a great scene where some infected soldiers have a "game show"... disturbing but brilliant... that was removed in the original release). Just imagine the snipping that would need to be done on top of that if the publisher was shooting for a PG-13. :?

Just leave the ratings out of novels, please.

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#33 CammiTac
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I understand how it could be useful for some people. When I was little I had a friend whose mother would have to read a book before she was allowed to. How exactly would books be rated, though? I think age-based ratings are stupid and often pointless, but I do think it could be helpful if books listed warnings, kind of like how on the back of video games next to the rating it lists things like "Language, suggestive themes, violence, etc."

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#34 Nibroc420
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I understand how it could be useful for some people. When I was little I had a friend whose mother would have to read a book before she was allowed to. How exactly would books be rated, though? I think age-based ratings are stupid and often pointless, but I do think it could be helpful if books listed warnings, kind of like how on the back of video games next to the rating it lists things like "Language, suggestive themes, violence, etc."

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But then people would only buy the ones labeled "Violence,sexual themes"
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#35 Sandulf29
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Yep, definitely. May as well be somewhat good. Imagine kids reading Tropic of Capricorn, oh the horror. But thinking again kids aren't exactly enthusiastic of reading books. They would rather watch pr0n rather than read erotica. So this thing may as well be of practically no use
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#36 CammiTac
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[QUOTE="CammiTac"]

I understand how it could be useful for some people. When I was little I had a friend whose mother would have to read a book before she was allowed to. How exactly would books be rated, though? I think age-based ratings are stupid and often pointless, but I do think it could be helpful if books listed warnings, kind of like how on the back of video games next to the rating it lists things like "Language, suggestive themes, violence, etc."

Nibroc420

But then people would only buy the ones labeled "Violence,sexual themes"

But if that is what they were looking for, then it was still helpful. Success! :P

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Manga already does this, but I don't see why all books should do it.
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Manga already does this, but I don't see why all books should do it.CaptainAhab13
well Manga makes some sense. seriously anyone ever sat down and read some of the stuff would know. >__> --------------- As for books, not really for it. in order for reading to be effective it requires comprehension on the part of the reader. If the kid doesn't comprehend what he/she is reading it won't matter much. Now there is the chance that the kid will look up certain words and lead them down a path of knowledge that a parent may deem inappropriate for their age. But that is something that needs to be dealt with within the family, game, movies, tv, internet are all things that a parent can control to a degree, but you can't shelter them forever. Eventually they'll figure it out.
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#40 DarthSatan
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Generally speaking, if you're mature enough to read a novel, you're probably mature enough to read about a boob.cd_rom

My thoughts exactly.

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[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"]Manga already does this, but I don't see why all books should do it.SaudiFury
well Manga makes some sense. seriously anyone ever sat down and read some of the stuff would know. >__> --------------- As for books, not really for it. in order for reading to be effective it requires comprehension on the part of the reader. If the kid doesn't comprehend what he/she is reading it won't matter much. Now there is the chance that the kid will look up certain words and lead them down a path of knowledge that a parent may deem inappropriate for their age. But that is something that needs to be dealt with within the family, game, movies, tv, internet are all things that a parent can control to a degree, but you can't shelter them forever. Eventually they'll figure it out.

Yeah there is some pretty ****ed up manga out there.
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#42 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Yes, because we need to spend money on more nonsense.

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#43 Aquat1cF1sh
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Most bookstores separate the adult books from the children's books anyway. I mean I could see its uses but yeah.
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#44 JediXMan
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It might be interesting. I mean, TV shows, movies, games, and even comic books have rating systems.

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#45 JinjonatorX
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It's already bad enough that movies and video games having ratings. If books started getting ratings, a lot of Stephen King's work would get slapped with an X, and never see the light of day.
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#46 AceofTrades
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Well, yeah. There are books like The Kid Called It that I wouldn't want my kid to read until they were at least 13+

It's already bad enough that movies and video games having ratings. If books started getting ratings, a lot of Stephen King's work would get slapped with an X, and never see the light of day.JinjonatorX

Good.

Stephen King is overrated garbage.


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#47 deactivated-590595a6292ce
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No...

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#48 Kagai13
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No way. My mum would kill me if she saw ratings on my books. I mean, she doesn't really care even when I tell her about stuff in the books but I think that if she saw a shelf with "18+" ALL over it she wouldn't be happy.