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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]Brilliant quote. Two rightNo, humanity is to stupid to handle that level of responsibility.
Borrizee
QFTT, Honestly people who think we need more things like alcohol abuse are completely deluded and are idiots. I swear if anyone comes in with "but mann weed is from the earth man, like totally doesnt do anything but relax you" I hope someone slaps you in the face with a wet samon.No, humanity is to stupid to handle that level of responsibility.
tenaka2
[QUOTE="tenaka2"]QFTT, Honestly people who think we need more things like alcohol abuse are completely deluded and are idiots. I swear if anyone comes in with "but mann weed is from the earth man, like totally doesnt do anything but relax you" I hope someone slaps you in the face with a wet samon.No, humanity is to stupid to handle that level of responsibility.
o0squishy0o
You clearly have no clue of what you're talking about. Pot legalization has way more pros than cons.
QFTT, Honestly people who think we need more things like alcohol abuse are completely deluded and are idiots. I swear if anyone comes in with "but mann weed is from the earth man, like totally doesnt do anything but relax you" I hope someone slaps you in the face with a wet samon.[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
No, humanity is to stupid to handle that level of responsibility.
bloodling
You clearly have no clue of what you're talking about. Pot legalization has way more pros than cons.
I think alcohol is more damaging in every way than pot. But it's legal,people should decide wath to take not governments or politics. It's about the money and taxes for them not the healt of the population. Otherwise sigarets would be history a long time ago.[QUOTE="tenaka2"]QFTT, Honestly people who think we need more things like alcohol abuse are completely deluded and are idiots. I swear if anyone comes in with "but mann weed is from the earth man, like totally doesnt do anything but relax you" I hope someone slaps you in the face with a wet samon. So what does weed do that makes it worth a "samon" slapping?No, humanity is to stupid to handle that level of responsibility.
o0squishy0o
[QUOTE="tenaka2"]QFTT, Honestly people who think we need more things like alcohol abuse are completely deluded and are idiots. I swear if anyone comes in with "but mann weed is from the earth man, like totally doesnt do anything but relax you" I hope someone slaps you in the face with a wet samon.No, humanity is to stupid to handle that level of responsibility.
o0squishy0o
A wet salmon? Oh lord, I literally lol'd.
And to answer the topic, no I don't think so. Weed maybe. Everything else? No. Imagine what that would do to the world if any asshat was allowed to legally use and purchase bath salts.
Pot? Yes. Other hard drugs? Yes.
Why should all drugs be legal? Regulation and taxation. Most importantly, regulation. Why is that important? Because the drugs on the streets right now are dangerous because of the lack of oversight.
Oh and drugs don't always mess a person up. Case in point, our current president, Clinton, numerous famed people, and even normal people who live their lives. It's like saying a veterans with PTSD are a reflection of all veterans when really most veterans are probably holding a stable life with everyday problems just like normal people. No I'm not comparing drug users to soldiers with PTSD, it's just people really do need to take responsibility for themselves and the truth is, it's addiction.
It doesn't have to be drugs. It can be soda, porn, juice, junk food, obsessive shopping, it doesn't matter, it all stems from personal responsibility.
I don't think one can exercise much personal responsibility when they're chemically addicted to meth or heroin. It's a bit different from junk food. I know one can become addicted to that too, but it's not nearly the same.Pot? Yes. Other hard drugs? Yes.
Why should all drugs be legal? Regulation and taxation. Most importantly, regulation. Why is that important? Because the drugs on the streets right now are dangerous because of the lack of oversight.
Oh and drugs don't always mess a person up. Case in point, our current president, Clinton, numerous famed people, and even normal people who live their lives. It's like saying a veterans with PTSD are a reflection of all veterans when really most veterans are probably holding a stable life with everyday problems just like normal people. No I'm not comparing drug users to soldiers with PTSD, it's just people really do need to take responsibility for themselves and the truth is, it's addiction.
It doesn't have to be drugs. It can be soda, porn, juice, junk food, obsessive shopping, it doesn't matter, it all stems from personal responsibility.
leviathan91
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]I don't think one can exercise much personal responsibility when they're chemically addicted to meth or heroin. It's a bit different from junk food. I know one can become addicted to that too, but it's not nearly the same.Pot? Yes. Other hard drugs? Yes.
Why should all drugs be legal? Regulation and taxation. Most importantly, regulation. Why is that important? Because the drugs on the streets right now are dangerous because of the lack of oversight.
Oh and drugs don't always mess a person up. Case in point, our current president, Clinton, numerous famed people, and even normal people who live their lives. It's like saying a veterans with PTSD are a reflection of all veterans when really most veterans are probably holding a stable life with everyday problems just like normal people. No I'm not comparing drug users to soldiers with PTSD, it's just people really do need to take responsibility for themselves and the truth is, it's addiction.
It doesn't have to be drugs. It can be soda, porn, juice, junk food, obsessive shopping, it doesn't matter, it all stems from personal responsibility.
jim_shorts
Perhaps not but the question begs, should it remain illegal where there's no regulatory measures or should it be legal where it is regulated, thus making the drug safer than its illegal counterpart?
1. No, drugs are dangerous on the street because they're drugs. There is no possible way to do something like heroin safely and without becoming physically dependent on it.Why should all drugs be legal? Regulation and taxation. Most importantly, regulation. Why is that important? Because the drugs on the streets right now are dangerous because of the lack of oversight.
It doesn't have to be drugs. It can be soda, porn, juice, junk food, obsessive shopping, it doesn't matter, it all stems from personal responsibility.
leviathan91
2. Not really. Your body doesn't become physically dependent on any of those things. On hard drugs you definitely do.
Anyway, I'm for marijuana being legal and the other harmless ones like ectasy and so on but the hard stuff like heroin, meth, and cocaine can stay illegal. I don't want any risk of kids getting their hands on that junk.
1. No, drugs are dangerous on the street because they're drugs. There is no possible way to do something like heroin safely and without becoming physically dependent on it.[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
Why should all drugs be legal? Regulation and taxation. Most importantly, regulation. Why is that important? Because the drugs on the streets right now are dangerous because of the lack of oversight.
It doesn't have to be drugs. It can be soda, porn, juice, junk food, obsessive shopping, it doesn't matter, it all stems from personal responsibility.
Aljosa23
2. Not really. Your body doesn't become physically dependent on any of those things. On hard drugs you definitely do.
Anyway, I'm for marijuana being legal and the other harmless ones like ectasy and so on but the hard stuff like heroin, meth, and cocaine can stay illegal. I don't want any risk of kids getting their hands on that junk.
I mean, you'd make drugs illegal for kids in the same way it is for alcohol. Not sure that it'd be much easier to get their hands on in that case.
I don't even think alcohol should be compared to hard drugs. A small bit of alcohol is harmless but one hit of daddy's crack pipe and the kid won't get enough.I mean, you'd make drugs illegal for kids in the same way it is for alcohol. Not sure that it'd be much easier to get their hands on in that case.
chessmaster1989
I don't even think alcohol should be compared to hard drugs. A small bit of alcohol is harmless but one hit of daddy's crack pipe and the kid won't get enough.[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
I mean, you'd make drugs illegal for kids in the same way it is for alcohol. Not sure that it'd be much easier to get their hands on in that case.
Aljosa23
Not my point. My question was whether legalizing drugs would actually make them more accessible to kids (the implicit argument you're making), since it would still be illegal for kids to purchase/for people to sell to kids. And, if it was more accessible, would kids actually want to use it more.
1. No, drugs are dangerous on the street because they're drugs. There is no possible way to do something like heroin safely and without becoming physically dependent on it.[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
Why should all drugs be legal? Regulation and taxation. Most importantly, regulation. Why is that important? Because the drugs on the streets right now are dangerous because of the lack of oversight.
It doesn't have to be drugs. It can be soda, porn, juice, junk food, obsessive shopping, it doesn't matter, it all stems from personal responsibility.
Aljosa23
2. Not really. Your body doesn't become physically dependent on any of those things. On hard drugs you definitely do.
Anyway, I'm for marijuana being legal and the other harmless ones like ectasy and so on but the hard stuff like heroin, meth, and cocaine can stay illegal. I don't want any risk of kids getting their hands on that junk.
How do you think they make the drugs? :? Heroin and Meth just don't come out of nowhere, they're made and often, they're not pure. That's why they're dangerous.
Again, the reason why those drugs are dangerous is because they're not made properly, nor are they regulated. If made legal and regulated, it would cause fewer deaths, fewer overdoses, and cost less for all of us.
Also, it's cute that you said that last part about kids. I don't want kids getting their hands on those drugs, even pot, but then again, it's easy to get those drugs off of dealers since they don't ask for ID. If it were regulated like alcohol, it wouldn't be that easy.
Well it would be more accessible to everyone if it's legalized. Kids may not have to get it directly from the provider but there are other ways like getting someone else to buy it for them (still illegal but sh1t happens) or sneaking it from their parents. I imagine some would be curious to try it out if they had easy access because let's be real, kids are stupid lol.Not my point. My question was whether legalizing drugs would actually make them more accessible to kids (the implicit argument you're making), since it would still be illegal for kids to purchase/for people to sell to kids. And, if it was more accessible, would kids actually want to use it more.
chessmaster1989
In any case, I also don't agree with giving jail time to drug addicts. People like that should be sent to rehab clinics and given help to get their life back on tracks. It really is bs how the legal system places so much emphasis on punishment and very little on rehabilitation and stopping recidivism.
Uh, no. It's exactly the opposite. Pure heroin and meth can and will most likely kill you with one dose. That's not readily sold on the street simply because of that reason.How do you think they make the drugs? :? Heroin and Meth just don't come out of nowhere, they're made and often, they're not pure. That's why they're dangerous.
Again, the reason why those drugs are dangerous is because they're not made properly, nor are they regulated. If made legal and regulated, it would cause fewer deaths, fewer overdoses, and cost less for all of us.
Also, it's cute that you said that last part about kids. I don't want kids getting their hands on those drugs, even pot, but then again, it's easy to get those drugs off of dealers since they don't ask for ID. If it were regulated like alcohol, it wouldn't be that easy.
leviathan91
yes absolutely, the war on drugs has been a complete and utter failure
making drugs illegal does not stop people from using them, on the contrary it makes people more curious
making something people want illegal simply creates a black market... look at mexico 60,000 deaths since they started to crack down on the cartels,
even some of the top cartel leaders thanks the USA for the war on drugs because otherwise they could not have gotten so stinkin rich
look there are so many reasons it would take a few pages.
go to mises.org
search war on drugs
read a few articles
you will never see the war on drugs the same
Worldwide? I don't understand the question. Why would they have to be legal worldwide? What do you know about the rest of the world and drugs that we don't? I don't see why hard drugs need to be legalized, but I'm sure some scientist somewhere would find a use for them other than to get high that would maybe benefit society, right? Doctors certainly aren't going to be writting any perscriptions for pure cocaine. The only benefit would be less people getting thrown in jail, but there's so much money behind that and the alcohol industry to compete with, so it's not just a matter of safety, the people's who's business would be hurt by drugs being legal have the weight and money to throw around to keep them illegal.
[QUOTE="IdioticIcarus"]
Nah, there are definitely some drugs that should be controlled.
worlock77
Indeed, and by making those drugs illegal you're ensuring that there is no control over them. Thus, those drugs should be legal so that they can be regulated and controlled.
How exactly does one control and regulate heroin?[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="IdioticIcarus"]
Nah, there are definitely some drugs that should be controlled.
Aljosa23
Indeed, and by making those drugs illegal you're ensuring that there is no control over them. Thus, those drugs should be legal so that they can be regulated and controlled.
How exactly does one control and regulate heroin?How does one control and regulate tobacco and alcohol?
How exactly does one control and regulate heroin?[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
Indeed, and by making those drugs illegal you're ensuring that there is no control over them. Thus, those drugs should be legal so that they can be regulated and controlled.
worlock77
How does one control and regulate tobacco and alcohol?
Neither of those two things are as dangerous as heroin but I'm guessing you don't have an answer and hence felt the need to dodge my question.[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]How exactly does one control and regulate heroin?
Aljosa23
How does one control and regulate tobacco and alcohol?
Neither of those two things are as dangerous as heroin but I'm guessing you don't have an answer and hence felt the need to dodge my question. He's saying that you regulate heroin just like we do with tobacco and alcohol.....A lot of people cannot handle alcohol in a mature manner. Drugs would only make things worse.PonchoTacooh okay so more personal freedom = bad.
He's saying that you regulate heroin just like we do with tobacco and alcohol.....mingmao3046Yeah they regulate it by making it somewhat safe to use. Now I want know how they would do that for heroin.
A lot of people cannot handle alcohol in a mature manner.PonchoTacoProhibition proved why making something people want illegal is a bad idea. And LSD, a Schedule I drug in the US, can be used to treat 50% of cases of alcoholism successfully. That is way up from the 5% success rate of cold turkey and AA. Why is that illegal? Why is it the *most* illegal?
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]How exactly does one control and regulate heroin?
Aljosa23
How does one control and regulate tobacco and alcohol?
Neither of those two things are as dangerous as heroin but I'm guessing you don't have an answer and hence felt the need to dodge my question.Alcohol absolutely can be just as dangerous. More so in fact, as heroin only harms the person using it. I did not dodge you question at all, but apparently you lack (or simply aren't using) critical thinking skills that should make the answer obvious.
Yeah they regulate it by making it somewhat safe to use. Now I want know how they would do that for heroin. On the black market, heroin can be cut with anything. Making the potency unknown which is why overdoses are common. One bag might be weak, the next might be stronger/cut with something dangerous. If it was legal, this would not happen. you would know exactly what chemical you are getting, which is hopefully pure heroin[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]He's saying that you regulate heroin just like we do with tobacco and alcohol.....Aljosa23
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