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#1 brendanhunt1
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14824310 The ban on g@y blood donation is to be lifted in the Uk. But only if they haven't had sex within 12 months
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#2 spawnassasin
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id expect this type of thing from texas

but yes they should they have every right to donate blood

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#3 Fightingfan
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What's the difference? Does Gay blood not work equally well in a blood transfusion?
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#4 Suzy_Q_Kazoo
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Yeah, that's a pretty outdated rule they were going by.

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they need to let me withdraw from my plasma account too.
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#6 Suzy_Q_Kazoo
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What's the difference? Does Gay blood not work equally well in a blood transfusion?Fightingfan
"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."
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um wow.........I haven't used this in quite some time

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]What's the difference? Does Gay blood not work equally well in a blood transfusion?Suzy_Q_Kazoo
"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."

That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.
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#9 ToastRider11
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FAIL question.

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um wow.........I haven't used this in quite some time

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sorry but there isnt enough facepalms in there

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#11 Suzy_Q_Kazoo
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[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]What's the difference? Does Gay blood not work equally well in a blood transfusion?Fightingfan
"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."

That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.

I know, but I'm not the one who restricted that!
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Anybody who denies homosexuals (or anyone, for that matter, based on some ridiculous non-health related thing like sexuality, race or religion) the ability to donate blood should be left to die and be given no donated blood during their operation or hospital stay. Just in case it's gay blood. Seriously. We can test for HIV now. There's nothing to be scared of.
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#13 chessmaster1989
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Of course they should, and as with everyone else they should be tested for HIV first.
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#14 poptart
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I'm not allowed to donate blood in Australia 'coz I lived in the UK when mad cow disease broke out. They're a worrisome lot over here - as you can see by my avi I'm a perfectly healthy cow.

Anyway, should gays be allowed to give blood? There are numerous cheeky comments to be made here that'll only see my level take a tumble, so I'll refrain and give an utterly mundane: yes.

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

um wow.........I haven't used this in quite some time

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spawnassasin

sorry but there isnt enough facepalms in there

lol well given who it is in the picture I blame OT

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#16 zeldaluff
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What the...yes they should. :| I didn't even know they couldn't, it's so absurd.

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."Suzy_Q_Kazoo
That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.

I know, but I'm not the one who restricted that!

i think they missed the qoutation marks, Dont worry suzy in issues like these people always try to pin the bad of the topic on some1 so it seems like their a good person
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Don't they test blood for HIV and other diseases anyway?
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[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]What's the difference? Does Gay blood not work equally well in a blood transfusion?Fightingfan
"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."

That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.

while totally discriminative,it still reduces the chance of contamination.
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#22 Tylendal
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In B.C. you're still not allowed to donate blood if you've "done it" with another man in the past fifty years or so.
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#23 Jacen22
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I wonder how many people would give a f**k if the blood belonged to a homosexual or not.

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[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]What's the difference? Does Gay blood not work equally well in a blood transfusion?Fightingfan
"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."

That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.

A few years back, I honestly had to look up whether or not homosexual relations could "create" HIV instead of just spreading it, because of the stigma associated with it. I honestly couldn't understand why it would be such a big issue otherwise. I understand that the risk of spreading the disease if one party is infected is higher than normal, but still... it's an exaggerated association.
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glad there's country with that common sense....
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#26 z827
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.... By the Lords , it's not as though they have any disease or something ( Seriously , it's not as though HIV is limited to them ) . Their gonna kill off more people at this rate if they bar these people from donating blood - blood reserves are low as it is and now their going to lower the amount of blood variety in the reserves?
That's worse than stupid - it's.... stupid x2.

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#27 Sagem28
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Off course they should be allowed to donate !
There are so few people who donate blood as it is. All the blood gets tested for diseases before being shipped to hospitals.

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#28 tofu-lion91
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The ban on g@y blood donation is to be lifted in the Uk. brendanhunt1
Great!
But only if they haven't had sex within 12 monthsbrendanhunt1
...ah. Getting there.

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."VaguelyTagged
That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.

while totally discriminative,it still reduces the chance of contamination.

Why have that policy only for gay people though?

If the problem is the stereotypically attributed promiscuity then why not do the same for promiscuous heterosexuals?

While we're at it, let's only allow people who are married to donate blood, just so that we're sure we've "covered" all stereotypes. >__>

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#30 MasterKingMP
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I find it funny how 9 people voted "No," however there is not one comment from someone who is against it. I guess the gay bashers" are to cowardly to comment.

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#31 Teenaged
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I find it funny how 9 people voted "No," however there is not one comment from someone who is against it. I guess the gay bashers" are to cowardly to comment.

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There is one in this thread.

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Dependent on whether or not there is any noticeable increase in HIV between gay men and straight men. I can't say I know the 'research' that initially showed that, but those were different times I guess. It's up to the hospitals to decide. [quote=""]Committee member Prof Deirdre Kelly said the safety of the blood supply is "absolutely essential" and that any restrictions "must be based on the latest scientific evidence". She said there had been advances in the testing of donated blood which had significantly reduced the chance of errors and had reduced the size of the "window period". She said the data showed that "the risk from a 12-month deferral was equivalent to permanent deferral" so "the evidence does not support the maintenance of a permanent ban". Other at-risk groups, such as people who have been sexually active in high-risk countries, are already banned from donating for a year. The findings were accepted by health ministers and a one-year ban will come into force in England, Scotland and Wales on 7 November. Several other countries have already come to similar verdicts. South Africa has introduced a six-month gap between sex and donation. It is a year in Australia, Sweden and Japan.

I'm going to leave it to the people whose job it is to decide.
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Don't they test the blood if its HIV positive?

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[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."Fightingfan
That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.

It started getting attention when in the homosexual community and gay sex between men does have a higher chance of infection.
Seriously. We can test for HIV now. There's nothing to be scared of. XilePrincess
Did you read the article?
The National Blood Service screens all donations for HIV and other infections. However, there is a "window period" after infection during which it is impossible to detect the virus.BBC
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Uhh yea, so long as their blood isn't carrying any diseases, who cares?
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[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.Teenaged

while totally discriminative,it still reduces the chance of contamination.

Why have that policy only for gay people though?

If the problem is the stereotypically attributed promiscuity then why not do the same for promiscuous heterosexuals?

While we're at it, let's only allow people who are married to donate blood, just so that we're sure we've "covered" all stereotypes. >__>

that could work as well,i'm not saying g@ys are necessarily promiscuous,or that the rules shouldn't have covered heterosexuals,my point is that taking away any part of the donating society automatically reduces the chance of contamination,it's a simple equation.in fact it would've solve the whole problem if they'd banned blood donation entirely.it's so stupid because it's like erasing the question without finding it any solution.i think you misunderstood me.
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I think gays should be allowed to donate but if they don't want my blood then fine they can't have it, it's not worth complaining about.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"] while totally discriminative,it still reduces the chance of contamination.VaguelyTagged

Why have that policy only for gay people though?

If the problem is the stereotypically attributed promiscuity then why not do the same for promiscuous heterosexuals?

While we're at it, let's only allow people who are married to donate blood, just so that we're sure we've "covered" all stereotypes. >__>

that could work as well,i'm not saying g@ys are necessarily promiscuous,or that the rules shouldn't have covered heterosexuals,my point is that taking away any part of the donating society automatically reduces the chance of contamination,it's a simple equation.in fact it would've solve the whole problem if they'd banned blood donation entirely.it's so stupid because it's like erasing the question without finding it any solution.i think you misunderstood me.

Yeah I did because what you are saying is obvious; in fact too obvious. It's like saying that crime in human societies would cease if humanity went extinct.

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[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Why have that policy only for gay people though?

If the problem is the stereotypically attributed promiscuity then why not do the same for promiscuous heterosexuals?

While we're at it, let's only allow people who are married to donate blood, just so that we're sure we've "covered" all stereotypes. >__>

Teenaged

that could work as well,i'm not saying g@ys are necessarily promiscuous,or that the rules shouldn't have covered heterosexuals,my point is that taking away any part of the donating society automatically reduces the chance of contamination,it's a simple equation.in fact it would've solve the whole problem if they'd banned blood donation entirely.it's so stupid because it's like erasing the question without finding it any solution.i think you misunderstood me.

Yeah I did because what you are saying is obvious; in fact too obvious. It's like saying that crime in human societies would cease if humanity went extinct.

yeah,that's the only logic i could think of,when i read the OP,so simple yet so stupid.

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Dependent on whether or not there is any noticeable increase in HIV between gay men and straight men.Overlord93
There is, but the increase in risk to the person recieving the transfusion is so negligible that if the ban were lifted, thousands of lives would be saved for every extra HIV infection that slipped through the net.
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Isn't blood normally tested for HIV and such regardless of who donates? I don't see the practical point in banning blood from homosexuals.
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#42 UprootedDreamer
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I do not see why not, we need to stop living in the stone age.
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Yes...
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[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]What's the difference? Does Gay blood not work equally well in a blood transfusion?Fightingfan
"The restrictions were put in place in the 1980s to prevent the risk of HIV contamination."

That's funny because HIV isn't exclusive to homosexuals.

HIV transmission was significantyl high in homosexual males in the 80's and 90's given the type of intercourse used. Many blood banks also had rules against allowing IV drug users to donate blood as their relative risk was also much higher. High risk groups were exlcuded. Since the AIDS epidemic, the gay male community has taken huge measures to cut the risk of transmission - employing better safe sex measures, etc. Howevever, their risk of transmission is still higher than other forms of intercourse.
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#45 UniverseIX
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no, I don't think that's a good idea. If they want to donate blood they can lie and say their straight like everybody else.
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If the clinics are unwilling to let homosexuals donate, it makes me think they aren't testing all the blood, due to them excluding a "higher risk" group for the sake of convenience (which of course is based on an unfounded 1980's stereotype that all gays are promiscuous and diseased). If they are in fact testing all the blood, then what is the problem with letting them donate? They ask if I've been in contact with monkeys or monkey fluids in the past 6 months... but they would test for that anyways... so why ask?
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If the clinics are unwilling to let homosexuals donate, it makes me think they aren't testing all the blood, due to them excluding a "higher risk" group for the sake of convenience (which of course is based on an unfounded 1980's stereotype that all gays are promiscuous and diseased). If they are in fact testing all the blood, then what is the problem with letting them donate? They ask if I've been in contact with monkeys or monkey fluids in the past 6 months... but they would test for that anyways... so why ask?foxhound_fox
As the article leads us to believe:

The National Blood Service screens all donations for HIV and other infections. However, there is a "window period" after infection during which it is impossible to detect the virus.

BBC Article

However it was introduced when tests were less effective.

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If the clinics are unwilling to let homosexuals donate, it makes me think they aren't testing all the blood, due to them excluding a "higher risk" group for the sake of convenience (which of course is based on an unfounded 1980's stereotype that all gays are promiscuous and diseased). If they are in fact testing all the blood, then what is the problem with letting them donate? They ask if I've been in contact with monkeys or monkey fluids in the past 6 months... but they would test for that anyways... so why ask?foxhound_fox
Men who had sex with men was a significantly higher risk group for HIV infection in the 80's and 90's. That was not unfounded. Your risk of contracting HIV is signficantly higher with certain types of intercourse. Two of the highest risk groups in the 80's and 90's were gay men and IV drug users. They were affected disproportionately. Certainly the idea that all gay men are promiscuos is unfounded, but gay men were a higher risk group. This was proven in the medical literature. It doesnt mean that being gay is bad or anything along those lines, just that male on male intercourse carries a much higher risk of transmission of HIV. Male to female intercourse carries around a 1 in 1000 risk per episode. Male to male intercourse is about 7 to 10 times more likely to trasmit HIV per episode of unprotected sex. The ability to test for HIV has improved over the last 20 years. We still currently test for the antibody to HIV as opposed to HIV itself. Most people will develop antibodies within about 3-4 wks of infection, however, there is a small percentage that will have HIV but not develop antibodies to it for several weeks to months. So it was possible to miss it. Current testing is more accurate and specific, but still is not perfect. It makes sense to avoid high risk groups - however - a distinction must be made between homosexual males and sexually active homosexual males. The risk only exists for those that are sexually active.
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Men who had sex with men was a significantly higher risk group for HIV infection in the 80's and 90's. That was not unfounded. Your risk of contracting HIV is signficantly higher with certain types of intercourse. Two of the highest risk groups in the 80's and 90's were gay men and IV drug users. They were affected disproportionately. Certainly the idea that all gay men are promiscuos is unfounded, but gay men were a higher risk group. This was proven in the medical literature. It doesnt mean that being gay is bad or anything along those lines, just that male on male intercourse carries a much higher risk of transmission of HIV. Male to female intercourse carries around a 1 in 1000 risk per episode. Male to male intercourse is about 7 to 10 times more likely to trasmit HIV per episode of unprotected sex. The ability to test for HIV has improved over the last 20 years. We still currently test for the antibody to HIV as opposed to HIV itself. Most people will develop antibodies within about 3-4 wks of infection, however, there is a small percentage that will have HIV but not develop antibodies to it for several weeks to months. So it was possible to miss it. Current testing is more accurate and specific, but still is not perfect. It makes sense to avoid high risk groups - however - a distinction must be made between homosexual males and sexually active homosexual males. The risk only exists for those that are sexually active.sonicare
>They test all the blood >Heterosexuals can get and transmit HIV as easily as homosexuals >Not all homosexuals are promiscuous >Its a flawed system
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Hey TC go read "And The Band Played On"