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#1 comissario
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hi, i wanted to ask a big question, which is "should i join the army?" . i play war video games and watch war movies and also videos of soldiers in iraq and i'm way too tempted to join the army. i'm not american, i was just born there when my dad was a diplomat so therefore i don't have an american nationality or passport and they say if i join the army for 2 years i'll have US citizenship. the army in my country is basically in no war and it's not in any high risk of being in a war so the army i plan on joining is the US army. and i don't care about college funds or other aid, but my state of mind is making me thinkk heavily of joining the US army and then going back to my country. i've now seen most of the videos of real war footage on youtube and i can't get enough of it, i feel like being one of the soldiers out in the battlefield. yes i've been told about thhe consequences by some people but i can't get off of thinking about joining the army. i have 4 years (till i'm eighteen) to decide. i know my parents will be extremely angry at me if i join the army, when i have no business with it, instead of going to college. what's your opinion?
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#3 C_BozkurT_C
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If you really have to join the Armed Forces, join the Air Force. The Army is subpar in comparison.
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#4 Ninja-Hippo
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If you're 14 now, i guarantee your whole outlook on life and what you want to do with yours will be completely different by the time you hit 18. I was absolutely adament that i would make videogames for a living; i'm now studying for a law degree so that i can get a job with a company which stops harm to the environment via the courts.

Seriously; now isn't the time to be worrying about stuff like this. When you're 17/18, you'll know what you want to do.

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#5 Montaya
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Its your choice. But education is very important, get a degree in something useful then join the army. Otherwise you would get out of the army with no education and will end up getting a low paying job and you'll be to busy working trying to pay your bills you wont have the time nor money to pay for college to get you that better career. At least thats how it generally works in America, i dont know about your country.
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#6 fraz1776
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Hey I'm in the RAF and if you want to join the US Army just go for it, in reality no-one on here can tell you what to do only you can decide what you should do!!
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So let me get this straight. You've seen real war footage on youtube, and now you want to join the army and go to Iraq because it looks intense? I'm sorry, but life isn't a ****ing videogame...
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#8 fear2max
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yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.
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Why on earth would anyone want to join the army? being shot at isn't my idea of a decent occupation. Some people I know have been fixated on joining the army since I've known them, when they were 10 or something crazy. I've never quite understood what goes through their minds. I'm not attacking anyone in the army, I just really don't understand why someone would want to.
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#10 the1stfandb
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yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.fear2max

Is that a joke?

To TC: Ninja-Hippo is right, you will probably think diffrently by the time you are 18.

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#11 Ninja-Hippo
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yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.fear2max

Aren't the marines part of the navy? :|

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#12 THE_DRUGGIE
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No. War isn't a video game. If you get killed, you don't come back. Also, there's a chance you'll get either physically deformed or develop a mental illness.

But it's entirely your choice if you want to join or not.

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#13 Sharvie
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It's not really up to us. Don't you have a school guidance officer or something. I'm sure they could direct you better than we can. Just remember real war is a completely story than Call of Duty portrays it to be.
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#14 Ninja-Hippo
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No. War isn't a video game. If you get killed, you don't come back. Also, there's a chance you'll get either physically deformed or develop a mental illness.

But it's entirely your choice if you want to join or not.

THE_DRUGGIE

That's a good point. Your motivation definately shouldn't be movies or videogames.

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Why on earth would anyone want to join the army? being shot at isn't my idea of a decent occupation. Some people I know have been fixated on joining the army since I've known them, when they were 10 or something crazy. I've never quite understood what goes through their minds. I'm not attacking anyone in the army, I just really don't understand why someone would want to.Junkie_man

Because the army is more than just getting shot at. Maybe they don't mind the risk because they aren't p*****s.

Besides, police get shot at.. and there are tons of them.

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#16 LJS9502_basic
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If you really have to join the Armed Forces, join the Air Force. The Army is subpar in comparison.C_BozkurT_C

So you've been in both to make this determination. The army is fine...promos are quicker as well.

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#18 comissario
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If you're 14 now, i guarantee your whole outlook on life and what you want to do with yours will be completely different by the time you hit 18. I was absolutely adament that i would make videogames for a living; i'm now studying for a law degree so that i can get a job with a company which stops harm to the environment via the courts.

Seriously; now isn't the time to be worrying about stuff like this. When you're 17/18, you'll know what you want to do.

Ninja-Hippo

what are you serious? i plan on doing computer science at college so i can be a graphics programmer for video games. what a coincidence

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#19 LJS9502_basic
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yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.fear2max

Marines are under the Department of the Navy....;)

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Its your choice. But education is very important, get a degree in something useful then join the army. Otherwise you would get out of the army with no education and will end up getting a low paying job and you'll be to busy working trying to pay your bills you wont have the time nor money to pay for college to get you that better career. At least thats how it generally works in America, i dont know about your country.Montaya

There are actually many military jobs that can count as experience towards high paying jobs in civilian life, though these are more common in the air force, you can still find plenty of eletrical and mechanical jobs in all divisions that offer plenty of *useful* experience *and* the technicle school training will actually count as college credits (They are accreditted and can be transferred to any college). The military also offers pay towards college and will give you a monthly paycheck every month even after leaving the service.

I wouldnt put the military in such a negative light, it is infact a very good opportunity. Of course, if you just want to help serve your country and plan on a career in the military, then you dont have to be as picky with what job you get, and may even wish to volunteer for combat. Either way, the military offers plenty of opportunities, especially if you plan on becoming an officer one day (as i do).

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#21 DivergeUnify
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I wanted to be a big Army Ranger pro after I saw black Hawk Down. 1 year later and I said "why?". I wouldn't mind joining the military, but the idea of being a one man army hero medal of honor guy fled my head months ago. I would say, for the reasons you gave, no.
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#22 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

No. War isn't a video game. If you get killed, you don't come back. Also, there's a chance you'll get either physically deformed or develop a mental illness.

But it's entirely your choice if you want to join or not.

Ninja-Hippo

That's a good point. Your motivation definately shouldn't be movies or videogames.

Yeah, I remember seeing a documentary about a few injured soldier called Alive Day on HBO. One had severe mental imparements from shrapnel and others had limbs missing (legs, arms, feet, hands, etc.) and were either permanently wheelchair bound or had to get artificial limbs. You need to take the immense hazards that go with joining the army into consideration.

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#24 comissario
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[QUOTE="Montaya"]Its your choice. But education is very important, get a degree in something useful then join the army. Otherwise you would get out of the army with no education and will end up getting a low paying job and you'll be to busy working trying to pay your bills you wont have the time nor money to pay for college to get you that better career. At least thats how it generally works in America, i dont know about your country.Tolwan

There are actually many military jobs that can count as experience towards high paying jobs in civilian life, though these are more common in the air force, you can still find plenty of eletrical and mechanical jobs in all divisions that offer plenty of *useful* experience *and* the technicle school training will actually count as college credits (They are accreditted and can be transferred to any college). The military also offers pay towards college and will give you a monthly paycheck every month even after leaving the service.

I wouldnt put the military in such a negative light, it is infact a very good opportunity. Of course, if you just want to help serve your country and plan on a career in the military, then you dont have to be as picky with what job you get, and may even wish to volunteer for combat. Either way, the military offers plenty of opportunities, especially if you plan on becoming an officer one day (as i do).

but i really want to join the marines. i want to be in the front line, not any close to civillian job.

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#26 vash47
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If you think it's like movies, games, etc.

You shouldn't.

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#27 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="fear2max"]yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.fear2max

Marines are under the Department of the Navy....;)

totally different jobs you moron...

And where in your post did you mention MOS? Oh right no where.....in fact, you were putting down the Navy is all. Bet you've never served in any branch.:roll:

And it's not a totally different job. Every service has their own MOS's....but some are common to all. And the Marines are still under the Dept. of the Navy.:lol:

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[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="Montaya"]Its your choice. But education is very important, get a degree in something useful then join the army. Otherwise you would get out of the army with no education and will end up getting a low paying job and you'll be to busy working trying to pay your bills you wont have the time nor money to pay for college to get you that better career. At least thats how it generally works in America, i dont know about your country.comissario

There are actually many military jobs that can count as experience towards high paying jobs in civilian life, though these are more common in the air force, you can still find plenty of eletrical and mechanical jobs in all divisions that offer plenty of *useful* experience *and* the technicle school training will actually count as college credits (They are accreditted and can be transferred to any college). The military also offers pay towards college and will give you a monthly paycheck every month even after leaving the service.

I wouldnt put the military in such a negative light, it is infact a very good opportunity. Of course, if you just want to help serve your country and plan on a career in the military, then you dont have to be as picky with what job you get, and may even wish to volunteer for combat. Either way, the military offers plenty of opportunities, especially if you plan on becoming an officer one day (as i do).

but i really want to join the marines. i want to be in the front line, not any close to civillian job.

I think what's scarier than the idea of dying is getting diseases and limbs blown off. Just think about that for a second. Of course the idea of dying for your country sounds great and glorious, but think about what if you live and have depression for the rest of your life, saw a couple of your friends die, lost your leg, an eye, your hearing.
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#29 fear2max
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[QUOTE="fear2max"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="fear2max"]yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.LJS9502_basic

Marines are under the Department of the Navy....;)

totally different jobs you moron...

And where in your post did you mention MOS? Oh right no where.....in fact, you were putting down the Navy is all. Bet you've never served in any branch.:roll:

and when did i say i have never served?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="fear2max"]yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.fear2max

Marines are under the Department of the Navy....;)

totally different jobs you moron...

Many jobs in the Marines would be similar to those of the Navy...
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#31 Montaya
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[QUOTE="Montaya"]Its your choice. But education is very important, get a degree in something useful then join the army. Otherwise you would get out of the army with no education and will end up getting a low paying job and you'll be to busy working trying to pay your bills you wont have the time nor money to pay for college to get you that better career. At least thats how it generally works in America, i dont know about your country.Tolwan

There are actually many military jobs that can count as experience towards high paying jobs in civilian life, though these are more common in the air force, you can still find plenty of eletrical and mechanical jobs in all divisions that offer plenty of *useful* experience *and* the technicle school training will actually count as college credits (They are accreditted and can be transferred to any college). The military also offers pay towards college and will give you a monthly paycheck every month even after leaving the service.

I wouldnt put the military in such a negative light, it is infact a very good opportunity. Of course, if you just want to help serve your country and plan on a career in the military, then you dont have to be as picky with what job you get, and may even wish to volunteer for combat. Either way, the military offers plenty of opportunities, especially if you plan on becoming an officer one day (as i do).

I was writing in a view of the TC having an MOS of infantry or the sort, i dont think that can really help you get any job when your contract is over. But yeah i mean if your a medic, technician, mechanic, etc that would help a lot but if your just a grunt then thats another story. I just hink you should get a degree in college first and do ROTC then join the military that way you are signed on as an officer making more money and then you can get out ready for all sorts of high paying jobs and you have more of a choice.

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[QUOTE="fear2max"]yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.DivergeUnify

Marines are under the Department of the Navy....;)

totally different jobs you moron...

Many jobs in the Marines would be similar to those of the Navy...

If im not mistaking, the Marines are no longer a part of the Navy. And imo the Navy seals arent wussies and most Navy pilots and officers in general are very intelligent, educated people.

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Only join the army if you know you want to. Don't ask others the "should I join" question. Deciding to join could be one of the biggest decisions of your life. I'd think about it carefully.

I'm joining the British Army because I know I want to. It wasn't a snap decision, I thought about it long and hard.
Also, war isn't like the war you see in movies and videogames. Firing a real gun is unlike firing a gun in a videogame (coming from a regular shooter).


Also remember, no respawns in real life. If you get hit, you're out of it for good.
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#33 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

If you're 14 now, i guarantee your whole outlook on life and what you want to do with yours will be completely different by the time you hit 18. I was absolutely adament that i would make videogames for a living; i'm now studying for a law degree so that i can get a job with a company which stops harm to the environment via the courts.

Seriously; now isn't the time to be worrying about stuff like this. When you're 17/18, you'll know what you want to do.

comissario

what are you serious? i plan on doing computer science at college so i can be a graphics programmer for video games. what a coincidence

I'd bet money that your life plan has completley changed by the time you hit 18 though. :)

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#34 LJS9502_basic
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and when did i say i have never served?

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I didn't say you did....I said I bet. Big difference. But you don't seem that old so...
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No. @#$% no. Holy @#$%ing @#$% no.
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[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="Montaya"]Its your choice. But education is very important, get a degree in something useful then join the army. Otherwise you would get out of the army with no education and will end up getting a low paying job and you'll be to busy working trying to pay your bills you wont have the time nor money to pay for college to get you that better career. At least thats how it generally works in America, i dont know about your country.Montaya

There are actually many military jobs that can count as experience towards high paying jobs in civilian life, though these are more common in the air force, you can still find plenty of eletrical and mechanical jobs in all divisions that offer plenty of *useful* experience *and* the technicle school training will actually count as college credits (They are accreditted and can be transferred to any college). The military also offers pay towards college and will give you a monthly paycheck every month even after leaving the service.

I wouldnt put the military in such a negative light, it is infact a very good opportunity. Of course, if you just want to help serve your country and plan on a career in the military, then you dont have to be as picky with what job you get, and may even wish to volunteer for combat. Either way, the military offers plenty of opportunities, especially if you plan on becoming an officer one day (as i do).

I was writing in a view of the TC having an MOS of infantry or the sort, i dont think that can really help you get any job when your contract is over. But yeah i mean if your a medic, technician, mechanic, etc that would help a lot but if your just a grunt then thats another story. I just hink you should get a degree in college first and do ROTC then join the military that way you are signed on as an officer making more money and then you can get out ready for all sorts of high paying jobs and you have more of a choice.

[QUOTE="fear2max"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="fear2max"]yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.DivergeUnify

Marines are under the Department of the Navy....;)

totally different jobs you moron...

Many jobs in the Marines would be similar to those of the Navy...

If im not mistaking, the Marines are no longer a part of the Navy. And imo the Navy seals arent wussies and most Navy pilots and officers in general are very intelligent, educated people.

I never said the Navy is filled with wussies. I was just implying not all Marines are shock troop grunts like some would have you believe. I do believe, though, that the Marines are still part of the Navy
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Not with the locations of there bases. Lawton Oklahoma or El Paso Texas don't exactly scream "Come live here" and don't tell me about the other bases LJS. I'm sure your itchin to after readin this.

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#38 Tolwan
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[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="Montaya"]Its your choice. But education is very important, get a degree in something useful then join the army. Otherwise you would get out of the army with no education and will end up getting a low paying job and you'll be to busy working trying to pay your bills you wont have the time nor money to pay for college to get you that better career. At least thats how it generally works in America, i dont know about your country.Montaya

There are actually many military jobs that can count as experience towards high paying jobs in civilian life, though these are more common in the air force, you can still find plenty of eletrical and mechanical jobs in all divisions that offer plenty of *useful* experience *and* the technicle school training will actually count as college credits (They are accreditted and can be transferred to any college). The military also offers pay towards college and will give you a monthly paycheck every month even after leaving the service.

I wouldnt put the military in such a negative light, it is infact a very good opportunity. Of course, if you just want to help serve your country and plan on a career in the military, then you dont have to be as picky with what job you get, and may even wish to volunteer for combat. Either way, the military offers plenty of opportunities, especially if you plan on becoming an officer one day (as i do).

I was writing in a view of the TC having an MOS of infantry or the sort, i dont think that can really help you get any job when your contract is over. But yeah i mean if your a medic, technician, mechanic, etc that would help a lot but if your just a grunt then thats another story. I just hink you should get a degree in college first and do ROTC then join the military that way you are signed on as an officer making more money and then you can get out ready for all sorts of high paying jobs and you have more of a choice.

[QUOTE="fear2max"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="fear2max"]yes the marines need you, don't join the navy thats what all the wusses do.DivergeUnify

Marines are under the Department of the Navy....;)

totally different jobs you moron...

Many jobs in the Marines would be similar to those of the Navy...

If im not mistaking, the Marines are no longer a part of the Navy. And imo the Navy seals arent wussies and most Navy pilots and officers in general are very intelligent, educated people.

I dont know how it works in the marines or in the Army, but the Air Force isnt excepting everyone has an officer. They have very low acceptance rate's among college graduates, and most come from AFA. You are much, *much* more likely to get in as an officer if you have some enlisted experience when you apply to become for an officer. For instance, i finished my freshmen/sophomore years of college and am now enlisting (Most like electrical field or Air Crew. Got an 83 on Electrical,68 Science, 80 admin, etc. etc. on the ASVAB. Good scores. Ship off to MEPS next week to finalize).

Then i'll be finishing off my bachelors degree after i get settled in. The credits from Tech School will also help.

But yeah, if you're going in as an infantrymen and you arent planning on staying in the military as a career then you really are going up a creek without a paddle, it's a bad idea and i know few recruiters who would recommend it if you had good ASVAB scores.

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#39 Montaya
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I never said the Navy is filled with wussies. I was just implying not all Marines are shock troop grunts like some would have you believe. I do believe, though, that the Marines are still part of the Navy
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Ya i meant to quote the other guy not you sorry.

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#40 LJS9502_basic
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I never said the Navy is filled with wussies. I was just implying not all Marines are shock troop grunts like some would have you believe. I do believe, though, that the Marines are still part of the Navy
DivergeUnify

Yes, the Marine Corps is under the Dept. of the Navy...still.

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#41 dan-rofl-copter
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Hey I'm in the RAF and if you want to join the US Army just go for it, in reality no-one on here can tell you what to do only you can decide what you should do!!fraz1776

respect man what you fly might i ask i am realy intersted in milltary hardware etc

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#42 DivergeUnify
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

I never said the Navy is filled with wussies. I was just implying not all Marines are shock troop grunts like some would have you believe. I do believe, though, that the Marines are still part of the Navy
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Yes, the Marine Corps is under the Dept. of the Navy...still.

Still? Some sort of negative connotation implied? :P
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respect man what you fly might i ask i am realy intersted in milltary hardware etc

dan-rofl-copter


I know you weren't asking me, but as you're interested in military hardware, I'm going in to crew the Challenger 2. The British Army's Main Battle Tank.
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#44 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

I never said the Navy is filled with wussies. I was just implying not all Marines are shock troop grunts like some would have you believe. I do believe, though, that the Marines are still part of the Navy
DivergeUnify

Yes, the Marine Corps is under the Dept. of the Navy...still.

Still? Some sort of negative connotation implied? :P

Not at all...it was in reference to those stating the opposite. As a rule I don't bash the services.

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#45 dan-rofl-copter
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nice 1

they make them 20 miles down the road at BAE systems in newcastle lol

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Not at all...it was in reference to those stating the opposite. As a rule I don't bash the services.

LJS9502_basic

If only everyone else would have the same respect... like that guy last week pretending to be a marines sniper. :?

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#47 Robertoey
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I was going to tell you that the military offers a lot of good professions, but after reading your post, I have to say that I think you should stay away from the army. And not just for your own sake, I really don't think you're the kind of person that any military wants to hire.
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#48 DivergeUnify
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Not at all...it was in reference to those stating the opposite. As a rule I don't bash the services.

Ninja-Hippo

If only everyone else would have the same respect... like that guy last week pretending to be a marines sniper. :?

"and for those of you who don't want to talk about anything you have done... well you don't have to. nobody has to remember that stuff" :lol: It was about the lamest thing I've ever read
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#49 Doom_HellKnight
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nice 1

they make them 20 miles down the road at BAE systems in newcastle lol

dan-rofl-copter

I should hope they keep the facilities well protected. Those vehicles are 3 million pounds a piece, heh. :P
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#50 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Not at all...it was in reference to those stating the opposite. As a rule I don't bash the services.

Ninja-Hippo

If only everyone else would have the same respect... like that guy last week pretending to be a marines sniper. :?

Well...I am a bit partial to the army.