Should Schooling Be Privatized? (Poll)
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Smackeldorf. Mainly because I don't know what it means and I was hoping for a prize upon clicking it.ZarMulix
you will get your prive while sleeping 0_o
Do you mean privatized as in they are all private schools? With uniforms, strict teachers, and an overall boring atmosphere? To that i give it a HELL NO.nintendoman562
um...school being privatized doesn't mean all schools would be catholic schools. i meant that they should be privately funded.
No. I like public schools.II-FBIsniper-II
why?
All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
All the best schooling systems in the world are public,
Thechaninator
I don't agree with that, and I base that on personal experience.
My sister went to a private school, I went to public school.
While there's nothing wrong with going to public school, there are more opportunities that are presented by going to private school.
please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten usNYiVtec
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public,
InterpolWilco
I don't agree with that, and I base that on personal experience.
My sister went to a private school, I went to public school.
While there's nothing wrong with going to public school, there are more opportunities that are presented by going to private school.
Did you go to a good public school, or just the closest one you lived to?
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public,
InterpolWilco
I don't agree with that, and I base that on personal experience.
My sister went to a private school, I went to public school.
While there's nothing wrong with going to public school, there are more opportunities that are presented by going to private school.
I meant Places like Sweden or Japan which have the best secondary education systems in the world.All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
Thechaninator
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public,
InterpolWilco
I don't agree with that, and I base that on personal experience.
My sister went to a private school, I went to public school.
While there's nothing wrong with going to public school, there are more opportunities that are presented by going to private school.
I don't think going to a private school gives you a lot more opportunities than going to a good public school. I think a loit of factors goes into what's better for a kid, things like the quality of the schools, the safety of the school, the teachers in the school, teacher to student ratio I think is important. But I think the most important thing, is the individual. Some are better suited for a private school, others public
[QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten uslilburtonboy748
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten usThechaninator
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.ok. i'm done discussing this with you. you're another person that judges whether something is right or wrong based on the results. i hate people that think like you. how about this: It is wrong to steal from people and make them pay for something. Do you understand that???? THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Does that mean anything to you at all? I know it doesn't.
Here, since you think that the results are more important than making policy based on what's right or wrong, here's a scenario.
If you murder 350,000,000 people, the world will finally have peace and the world will be a BETTER place.Since you only care about the results of a situation, you have no problem with this, right? The ends justify the means.
So you are willing to steal money from people unjustly and force them to pay for a public school because it might (but won't) yield better results. You sir, are a jerk.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
lilburtonboy748
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
Thechaninator
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
that table proves absolutely nothing.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten uslilburtonboy748
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.ok. i'm done discussing this with you. you're another person that judges whether something is right or wrong based on the results. i hate people that think like you. how about this: It is wrong to steal from people and make them pay for something. Do you understand that???? THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Does that mean anything to you at all? I know it doesn't.
Here, since you think that the results are more important than making policy based on what's right or wrong, here's a scenario.
If you murder 350,000,000 people, the world will finally have peace and the world will be a BETTER place.Since you only care about the results of a situation, you have no problem with this, right? The ends justify the means.
So you are willing to steal money from people unjustly and force them to pay for a public school because it might (but won't) yield better results. You sir, are a jerk.
I dont think he cares... And you really should chill out with the useless insulting. It's just going to get you in trouble. Just a warning.
school already is privatized to an extent.
However, if you are asking if all school should be privitized, I would say no. Usually I am all for people doing the best they can with what they got, but education is one area where I feel it would be better to have all children educated to an average extent as opposed to very few being highly educated and the majority being poorly educated. Thats how it would end up; a large gap.
As it is right now, in the US, if a student tries hard enough they can get into college no matter where they come from. A smart kid from a Richmond high school can get a scholarship for getting good grades and doing lots of extracurricular activity. A good athlete can go on and play ball for college.
If all education is privatized, the majority wont have the opportunities they do now. Nope, I think things are good enough as they are. Not great, and in some cases actually bad, but it works out well enough.
[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten usMatt-4542
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.ok. i'm done discussing this with you. you're another person that judges whether something is right or wrong based on the results. i hate people that think like you. how about this: It is wrong to steal from people and make them pay for something. Do you understand that???? THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Does that mean anything to you at all? I know it doesn't.
Here, since you think that the results are more important than making policy based on what's right or wrong, here's a scenario.
If you murder 350,000,000 people, the world will finally have peace and the world will be a BETTER place.Since you only care about the results of a situation, you have no problem with this, right? The ends justify the means.
So you are willing to steal money from people unjustly and force them to pay for a public school because it might (but won't) yield better results. You sir, are a jerk.
I dont think he cares... And you really should chill out with the useless insulting. It's just going to get you in trouble. Just a warning.nah, i think i'll continue with the useful insulting :D
[QUOTE="Matt-4542"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten uslilburtonboy748
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.ok. i'm done discussing this with you. you're another person that judges whether something is right or wrong based on the results. i hate people that think like you. how about this: It is wrong to steal from people and make them pay for something. Do you understand that???? THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Does that mean anything to you at all? I know it doesn't.
Here, since you think that the results are more important than making policy based on what's right or wrong, here's a scenario.
If you murder 350,000,000 people, the world will finally have peace and the world will be a BETTER place.Since you only care about the results of a situation, you have no problem with this, right? The ends justify the means.
So you are willing to steal money from people unjustly and force them to pay for a public school because it might (but won't) yield better results. You sir, are a jerk.
I dont think he cares... And you really should chill out with the useless insulting. It's just going to get you in trouble. Just a warning.nah, i think i'll continue with the useful insulting :D
Ok then, not my problem. :roll:[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
Thechaninator
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
What are you talking about? The US has one of the highest funded school systems in the world and some of the worst test results. Compare the results of average public school students in this country to others countries. There is a huge gap.
[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Matt-4542"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten usMatt-4542
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.ok. i'm done discussing this with you. you're another person that judges whether something is right or wrong based on the results. i hate people that think like you. how about this: It is wrong to steal from people and make them pay for something. Do you understand that???? THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Does that mean anything to you at all? I know it doesn't.
Here, since you think that the results are more important than making policy based on what's right or wrong, here's a scenario.
If you murder 350,000,000 people, the world will finally have peace and the world will be a BETTER place.Since you only care about the results of a situation, you have no problem with this, right? The ends justify the means.
So you are willing to steal money from people unjustly and force them to pay for a public school because it might (but won't) yield better results. You sir, are a jerk.
I dont think he cares... And you really should chill out with the useless insulting. It's just going to get you in trouble. Just a warning.nah, i think i'll continue with the useful insulting :D
Ok then, not my problem. :roll:never was ;)
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten uslilburtonboy748
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.ok. i'm done discussing this with you. you're another person that judges whether something is right or wrong based on the results. i hate people that think like you. how about this: It is wrong to steal from people and make them pay for something. Do you understand that???? THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Does that mean anything to you at all? I know it doesn't.
Here, since you think that the results are more important than making policy based on what's right or wrong, here's a scenario.
If you murder 350,000,000 people, the world will finally have peace and the world will be a BETTER place.Since you only care about the results of a situation, you have no problem with this, right? The ends justify the means.
So you are willing to steal money from people unjustly and force them to pay for a public school because it might (but won't) yield better results. You sir, are a jerk.
Do you know what the definition of stealing is? That's a serious question. A tax curve or a distribution of wealth in order to wither help the poor and middle class get a good life, a good education, a good job, and a chance to advance in life if they work hard; the American dream, something I really believe in. Tax curves exist in modern economies to help increase the spending power of lower classes, if an economy lacked that, the bottom would drop out.Also, killing people and giving people who are born into poverty is a bit different, in one you're hurting people, in the other you're giving them a chance at a good life, I'm suprised anybody would be opposed to helping others. There are many schools that cannot even afford bare essentials like books for every student, while there are at the same time individuals with so much wealth that they could never spend it all if they tried. I'm sorry, but that's wrong; everybody deserves a fair chance in life.
[QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten uslilburtonboy748
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
but what about the people who can barely afford to feed their families? their kids wouldnt be able to get an education most likely resulting in more crime. sure there would be an increase of private funding but it could never be anywhere near enough.
and thats like saying if you dont own a car you shouldnt pay to keep the roads in good shape. at the end of the day we can go back and forth arguing about this and i partly agree with you. but certain things like roads and schools are institutions that help the general public and thats why everybody has to help pay for it.
[QUOTE="Matt-4542"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Matt-4542"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten uslilburtonboy748
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.ok. i'm done discussing this with you. you're another person that judges whether something is right or wrong based on the results. i hate people that think like you. how about this: It is wrong to steal from people and make them pay for something. Do you understand that???? THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Does that mean anything to you at all? I know it doesn't.
Here, since you think that the results are more important than making policy based on what's right or wrong, here's a scenario.
If you murder 350,000,000 people, the world will finally have peace and the world will be a BETTER place.Since you only care about the results of a situation, you have no problem with this, right? The ends justify the means.
So you are willing to steal money from people unjustly and force them to pay for a public school because it might (but won't) yield better results. You sir, are a jerk.
I dont think he cares... And you really should chill out with the useless insulting. It's just going to get you in trouble. Just a warning.nah, i think i'll continue with the useful insulting :D
Ok then, not my problem. :roll:never was ;)
It's a bit of everybody's problem when someones spewing insults at somebody just because of a difference in opinions... I dont think users want insults on this board.[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public,
Ring_of_fire
I don't agree with that, and I base that on personal experience.
My sister went to a private school, I went to public school.
While there's nothing wrong with going to public school, there are more opportunities that are presented by going to private school.
I don't think going to a private school gives you a lot more opportunities than going to a good public school. I think a loit of factors goes into what's better for a kid, things like the quality of the schools, the safety of the school, the teachers in the school, teacher to student ratio I think is important. But I think the most important thing, is the individual. Some are better suited for a private school, others public
It'd be nice if it were that way, but its not. Private School is a much higher level of learning, its why you can't just "get into" private school if you want to.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
lilburtonboy748
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
that table proves absolutely nothing.
It proves that the top schooling systems in the world are in countries with public schooling systems. Ignoring data doesn't help causes or credibility.[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Matt-4542"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Matt-4542"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]please explain the benifits. i mean i know the current system isnt perfect but idk how this would help. please enlighten usMatt-4542
the benefit is that it is just. parents aren't forced to pay for their local school even if they don't send their kid there. you could choose which school to send your kids to.
that would just weaken the spending power of people in the middle and lower classes, so less would be spent on consumer goods which would hurt the economy. That goes with anything, if the spending power of middle and upper clesses is damaged by something that could be supported at least somewhat by upper classes, the economy suffers. That is a simple example of why a tax curve exists in modern economies.ok. i'm done discussing this with you. you're another person that judges whether something is right or wrong based on the results. i hate people that think like you. how about this: It is wrong to steal from people and make them pay for something. Do you understand that???? THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Does that mean anything to you at all? I know it doesn't.
Here, since you think that the results are more important than making policy based on what's right or wrong, here's a scenario.
If you murder 350,000,000 people, the world will finally have peace and the world will be a BETTER place.Since you only care about the results of a situation, you have no problem with this, right? The ends justify the means.
So you are willing to steal money from people unjustly and force them to pay for a public school because it might (but won't) yield better results. You sir, are a jerk.
I dont think he cares... And you really should chill out with the useless insulting. It's just going to get you in trouble. Just a warning.nah, i think i'll continue with the useful insulting :D
Ok then, not my problem. :roll:never was ;)
It's a bit of everybody's problem when someones spewing insults at somebody just because of a difference in opinions... I dont think users want insults on this board.then they dont have to come on here. and it isn't an opinion. human rights is a moral issue. and having someone spit in the face of rights is wrong and whoever is for the violation of rights should be insulted.
Did you go t[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public,
ZarMulix
I don't agree with that, and I base that on personal experience.
My sister went to a private school, I went to public school.
While there's nothing wrong with going to public school, there are more opportunities that are presented by going to private school.
Did you go to a good public school, or just the closest one you lived to?
Closest and it was a very good Public School.
[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
Thechaninator
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
that table proves absolutely nothing.
It proves that the top schooling systems in the world are in countries with public schooling systems. Ignoring data doesn't help causes or credibility.but it has nothing to do with funding, it has to do with how good they are. we dump more money into our system than any of those countries. i'm not ignoring the data, but it doesnt help your argument.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
Frattracide
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
What are you talking about? The US has one of the highest funded school systems in the world and some of the worst test results. Compare the results of average public school students in this country to others countries. There is a huge gap.
A big problem with our schooling systems now is that money is distributed so unevenly, schools are usually funded by property taxes, so if you come from a rich town, odds are you'll have a good school, and if you're in a poor inner city district, your school will get very little funding, and that leads to students doing very badly in some areas. That needs to be fixed.[QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
Thechaninator
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
What are you talking about? The US has one of the highest funded school systems in the world and some of the worst test results. Compare the results of average public school students in this country to others countries. There is a huge gap.
A big problem with our schooling systems now is that money is distributed so unevenly, schools are usually funded by property taxes, so if you come from a rich town, odds are you'll have a good school, and if you're in a poor inner city district, your school will get very little funding, and that leads to students doing very badly in some areas. That needs to be fixed.This is gonna rattle you, but in my opinion, if a school isn't performing and becomes a black hole for money, then close it down.
Its ridiculous to take money from a school filled with students that want to learn and succeed and give it to a school where the students could give a damn.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
lilburtonboy748
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
that table proves absolutely nothing.
It proves that the top schooling systems in the world are in countries with public schooling systems. Ignoring data doesn't help causes or credibility.but it has nothing to do with funding, it has to do with how good they are. we dump more money into our system than any of those countries. i'm not ignoring the data, but it doesnt help your argument.
My point was that public schools in other countries were the top secondary education schools in the world. A bigger problem has to do with the uneven distribution of money to schools.[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]All the best schooling systems in the world are public, that's a fact, and anyway you look at it, if schools are made private, than children who are poor or even in the won't be able to attend decent schools that will prepare them for college or life, in many cases they won't be able to afford going to school at all, is that fair? Would that be good for the economy? and what about the American dream where when people are born poor, people simple don't care and they are never even given a shot at social advancement with your plan.
Even with the middle class, they won't be able to attend the best funded schools, while the rich will be able to, and the rich will stay rich, and the ability to advance in society will have been diminished. I'd rather not see the American dream destroyed.
Thechaninator
ROFL...give me the proof buddy. I know that the ACT scores of the local private school are averaged at 7 points higher than the local public school. 7 points is a lot.....i mean a lot.
probably because schools are underfunded. It's actually not uncommon for inner city schools to be so poor that they can't afford to purchase doors for the bathroom stalls. I'm sorry, but things like that are ridiculous, more money needs to be spend on education.Anyway, here's a table, notice how the best schooling systems are in coutries that don't have private schools.
that table proves absolutely nothing.
It proves that the top schooling systems in the world are in countries with public schooling systems. Ignoring data doesn't help causes or credibility.but it has nothing to do with funding, it has to do with how good they are. we dump more money into our system than any of those countries. i'm not ignoring the data, but it doesnt help your argument.
My point was that public schools in other countries were the top secondary education schools in the world. A bigger problem has to do with the uneven distribution of money to schools.again, wrong.
we spend more money than any country on education. the problem is job security and the teacher unions. Bad teachers should be fired for being bad teachers however the principal/super intendant sees fit.
bad schools should close, and you should be able to goto any school you want. our system now is infinately more restricting than one that would be entirely private and free market driven
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