should the 2on amendment be re-writing?

i mean these kind of things happens to often in the USA and the easy way you can get a gun seems to be the main factor for massacres as it happens today at Virginia.

And please don´t blame video games cause we do not have nothing to do whit this kind of violence :we are button smashers not head shooters

I'll make this quick:

Banning guns doesn't stop illegal arms trafficking.

Banning guns doesn't stop homicidal people from being homicidal. 

I'll make this quick:

Banning guns doesn't stop illegal arms trafficking.

Banning guns doesn't stop homicidal people from being homicidal.

Redmoonxl2

No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

It'll never happen.  There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right.  They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

i mean these kind of things happens to often in the USA and the easy way you can get a gun seems to be the main factor for massacres as it happens today at Virginia.

And please don´t blame video games cause we do not have nothing to do whit this kind of violence :we are button smashers not head shooters

delol

I do think the 2nd Amendment is out of date. I don't think the founding father thought that guns would evolve into the way they have.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.MattUD1

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

Explain. 

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

:roll: 

[QUOTE="delol"]

i mean these kind of things happens to often in the USA and the easy way you can get a gun seems to be the main factor for massacres as it happens today at Virginia.

And please don´t blame video games cause we do not have nothing to do whit this kind of violence :we are button smashers not head shooters

tehdiabetic

I do think the 2nd Amendment is out of date. I don't think the founding father thought that guns would evolve into the way they have.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.MattUD1

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

Explain.

I'm sure guns will be banned from private property in due time. 

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

That was pretty harsh. 

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

Explain.

I'm sure guns will be banned from private property in due time.

Tell me, how does banning guns stop a homicidal person from getting guns by illegal means to kill people? Also, how does banning guns stop that same homicidal person from thinking up several other ways to kill people, like a home made bomb, home made gases or using melee weapons such as knives? 

No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

What makes you think that?  I'm pretty sure that those in militias are citizens.  In fact, I'm positive that they are. 

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.bastards12345

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

That was pretty harsh.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.Redmoonxl2

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

Explain.

I'm sure guns will be banned from private property in due time.

Tell me, how does banning guns stop a homicidal person from getting guns by illegal means to kill people? Also, how does banning guns stop that same homicidal person from thinking up several other ways to kill people, like a home made bomb, home made gases or using melee weapons such as knives?

The statistics don't lie.

Gun control would have drastic effects. 

That was pretty harsh.

bastards12345

Point?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

Explain.

I'm sure guns will be banned from private property in due time. 

A lot of U.S. citizens will have to be killed before that ever happens.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.DeerhunterIA

What makes you think that? I'm pretty sure that those in militias are citizens. In fact, I'm positive that they are.

You have to put it in perspective with today's world. 

[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.blooddemon666

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

That was pretty harsh.

So were the gauls when they went rampaging, killing and raping through Roman lands. 

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.Redmoonxl2

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

Explain.

I'm sure guns will be banned from private property in due time.

Tell me, how does banning guns stop a homicidal person from getting guns by illegal means to kill people? Also, how does banning guns stop that same homicidal person from thinking up several other ways to kill people, like a home made bomb, home made gases or using melee weapons such as knives? 

Tell me, how does banning guns stop a homicidal person from getting guns by illegal means to kill people? Also, how does banning guns stop that same homicidal person from thinking up several other ways to kill people, like a home made bomb, home made gases or using melee weapons such as knives? 

Redmoonxl2

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

Tell me, how does banning guns stop a homicidal person from getting guns by illegal means to kill people? Also, how does banning guns stop that same homicidal person from thinking up several other ways to kill people, like a home made bomb, home made gases or using melee weapons such as knives?

delol

You're not answering my question. If anything, you're just giving me talking points.

By the way, there were plenty of examples of shootings in Europe.

Gutenburg shootings rings a bell?

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

Explain.

I'm sure guns will be banned from private property in due time.

Tell me, how does banning guns stop a homicidal person from getting guns by illegal means to kill people? Also, how does banning guns stop that same homicidal person from thinking up several other ways to kill people, like a home made bomb, home made gases or using melee weapons such as knives?

The statistics don't lie.

Gun control would have drastic effects. 

That was pretty harsh.

bastards12345

Point?

The statistics don't lie - gun control is very ineffective in keeping guns out of criminals hands. 

[QUOTE="DeerhunterIA"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

What makes you think that? I'm pretty sure that those in militias are citizens. In fact, I'm positive that they are.

You have to put it in perspective with today's world. 

[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.blooddemon666

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

That was pretty harsh.

So were the gauls when they went rampaging, killing and raping through Roman lands. 

I am looking at it in todays world.  I see no reason why I can't protect myself, my family and my fellow citizens.  I also see no reason why I can't collect guns or own them for hunting. 

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.Redmoonxl2

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

:roll:

 I agree with the :roll:

Its our right as Americans to own firearms 

Over in England it'd be actually be shocking to hear that someone's parent owns a gun, that might sound weird to Americans but heck, there isn't huge massacres every week in England so maybe actually not having guns helps.Brainkiller05

There are not massacres in the US each week either.  But, just like England (which bans guns), there are shootings.  Hmm.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="DeerhunterIA"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.DeerhunterIA

What makes you think that? I'm pretty sure that those in militias are citizens. In fact, I'm positive that they are.

You have to put it in perspective with today's world. 

[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.blooddemon666

It'll never happen. There are too many people that feel that having a gun is their right. They will strike down whatever legislation comes up in regards to guns being banned.

Progress is slow, but I'm sure the US will catch up with the civilized world sooner or later.

That was pretty harsh.

So were the gauls when they went rampaging, killing and raping through Roman lands. 

I am looking at it in todays world.  I see no reason why I can't protect myself, my family and my fellow citizens.  I also see no reason why I can't collect guns or own them for hunting. 

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]

That was pretty harsh.

-Karayan-

Point?

It's an old law, yes, you made that point--but saying that 'the US should catch up with the civilized world' is a pretty irrational statement, though from your st yle I'm quite sure that you didn't mean it literally.

Over in England it'd be actually be shocking to hear that someone's parent owns a gun, that might sound weird to Americans but heck, there isn't huge massacres every week in England so maybe actually not having guns helps.Brainkiller05

Good god your perception of America is completely twisted and ignorant. You make it sound like every house in America has a gun and we're indifferent to it.

Also, newsflash: We don't have massacres every week here. This was a freak occurrence, not the norm. 

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Over in England it'd be actually be shocking to hear that someone's parent owns a gun, that might sound weird to Americans but heck, there isn't huge massacres every week in England so maybe actually not having guns helps.Redmoonxl2

Good god your perception of America is completely twisted and ignorant. You make it sound like every house in America has a gun and we're indifferent to it.

Also, newsflash: We don't have massacres every week here. This was a freak occurrence, not the norm. 

Explain...why do the US have the most gun-murders in the west? no it's not becuase it's bigger than any European country, because if you add all thoes countries statistics up...they still doesnt come close.....and we're 200 million more than you......explain please

The statistics don't lie - gun control is very ineffective in keeping guns out of criminals hands.

DeerhunterIA

But accidents happen a lot, and it does prevent a lot of deaths. 

I am looking at it in todays world. I see no reason why I can't protect myself, my family and my fellow citizens. I also see no reason why I can't collect guns or own them for hunting.

DeerhunterIA

You have a bigger chance of shooting a family member than a burglar/ assaultee.

Besides, pepperspray works fine. 

The second amendment is the reason the US is still a democracy. A government should have a healthy fear of its citizens. It only takes one bullet to kill a tyrant. Look at the rise of fascist nations throughout history. One of the first rights they revoke is the right to bear arms. Moreover, the US would not exist at all without personally owned firearms. How do you think the colonists formed a successful rebellion against the British? There are plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons to own firearms, such as personal protection, hunting or target shooting. Getting rid of the guns doesn't get rid of violent crime. Criminals will just use other weapons or obtain firearms through illegal means, and regular law abiding citizens will no longer have a way to protect themselves.  We can't let fear govern our decision making with such fundamental rights.

And in this particular case, it wasn't the guns' fault, it was the fault of the psychopath who went on a rampage.

The second amendment is the reason the US is still a democracy. A government should have a healthy fear of its citizens. It only takes one bullet to kill a tyrant. Look at the rise of fascist nations throughout history. One of the first rights they revoke is the right to bear arms. Moreover, the US would not exist at all without personally owned firearms. How do you think the colonists formed a successful rebellion against the British? There are plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons to own firearms, such as personal protection, hunting or target shooting. Getting rid of the guns doesn't get rid of violent crime. Criminals will just use other weapons or obtain firearms through illegal means, and regular law abiding citizens will no longer have a way to protect themselves. We can't let fear govern our decision making with such fundamental rights.

And in this particular case, it wasn't the guns' fault, it was the fault of the psychopath who went on a rampage.

cmdrmonkey

You do realize that other countries get along just fine with gun restrictions? 

That's why I was reading horror stories out of Britain a few years back, in Manchester I believe, about violent gangs going around breaking into homes and terrorizing people people who had no way to defend themselves.

And how many of those countries have been democracies for 200+ years?

That's why I was reading horror stories out of Britain a few years back, in Manchester I believe, about gangs going around terrorizing people...robbing, raping, killing, unchecked because people had no way to defend themselves.

And how many of those countries have been democracies for 200+ years?

cmdrmonkey

No, the amendment doesn't even apply to citizens.-Karayan-

That's why I was reading horror stories out of Britain a few years back, in Manchester I believe, about violent gangs going around breaking into homes and terrorizing people people who had no way to defend themselves.

And how many of those countries have been democracies for 200+ years?

cmdrmonkey

almost all of them....

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Over in England it'd be actually be shocking to hear that someone's parent owns a gun, that might sound weird to Americans but heck, there isn't huge massacres every week in England so maybe actually not having guns helps.jointed

Good god your perception of America is completely twisted and ignorant. You make it sound like every house in America has a gun and we're indifferent to it.

Also, newsflash: We don't have massacres every week here. This was a freak occurrence, not the norm.

Explain...why do the US have the most gun-murders in the west? no it's not becuase it's bigger than any European country, because if you add all thoes countries statistics up...they still doesnt come close.....and we're 200 million more than you......explain please

Easy, drug and gang violence, which illegal guns tend to be involved in anyways.

Virginia Tech is not a normal, everyday American event. Painting it as such is ignorant.

[QUOTE="cmdrmonkey"]

The second amendment is the reason the US is still a democracy. A government should have a healthy fear of its citizens. It only takes one bullet to kill a tyrant. Look at the rise of fascist nations throughout history. One of the first rights they revoke is the right to bear arms. Moreover, the US would not exist at all without personally owned firearms. How do you think the colonists formed a successful rebellion against the British? There are plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons to own firearms, such as personal protection, hunting or target shooting. Getting rid of the guns doesn't get rid of violent crime. Criminals will just use other weapons or obtain firearms through illegal means, and regular law abiding citizens will no longer have a way to protect themselves. We can't let fear govern our decision making with such fundamental rights.

And in this particular case, it wasn't the guns' fault, it was the fault of the psychopath who went on a rampage.

-Karayan-

You do realize that other countries get along just fine with gun restrictions? 

 This is America. Why don't we just ban freedom of speech while we're at it because people say offensive things? If you oppose the second amendment, you don't understand this country at all. The second amendment is designed specifically to give citizens the ability to defend themselves should the government become tyranical. IF anything, the founding fathers would probably be happy that we have access to powerful weapons.