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#1 ManofKnowledge
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I sure think so, if that is all Iran wants, then appologize. Even if you don't mean it, just do it. It is better than risking war, which the UK can't afford, but Iran can. 
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#2 lzorro
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They didn't apologize last time; no reason to do so this time.
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#3 yermomsboxx
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Why not apologize for being in Iranian waters...oh yeah, because it's a lie.
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#4 FragStains
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The policy of appeasement doesn't work. Look at WWII.
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#5 foxhound_fox
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Wait... all Iran wants is an apology!?

MY ****ING GOD!

Swallow your pride you selfish bastards and give it to them! Risking the lives of 15 humans for national pride... what a world we live in...

*goes to fact check*
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#6 yermomsboxx
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Wait... all Iran wants is an apology!?

MY ****ING GOD!

Swallow your pride you selfish bastards and give it to them! Risking the lives of 15 humans for national pride... what a world we live in...

*goes to fact check*
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If I punched you in the face and asked you to apologize for my punching you in the face, what would be your response, out of curiosity?
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#7 ncderek
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if itll prevent a war and 20,000 deaths, then yes
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#8 foxhound_fox
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If I punched you in the face and asked you to apologize for my punching you in the face, what would be your response, out of curiosity?yermomsboxx


That analogy is not very sound.

They violated Iranian borders. If apologizing and harming their pride can prevent the deaths of thousands... if not hundreds of thousands of deaths... I would say go for it. No amount of pride is worth that many deaths.
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#9 mark4091
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I do not have enough information on the subject to answer this question, like I'm not sure if the British were in iran's waters or if the British were in Iraqi waters and the Iranians captured them, but who should we trust idiot Iran or our ally England?
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#10 bigglesbear
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[QUOTE="yermomsboxx"]If I punched you in the face and asked you to apologize for my punching you in the face, what would be your response, out of curiosity?foxhound_fox


That analogy is not very sound.

They violated Iranian borders. If apologizing and harming their pride can prevent the deaths of thousands... if not hundreds of thousands of deaths... I would say go for it. No amount of pride is worth that many deaths.

well considering that gps showed the ship in iraqi water they werent violating any borders.
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[QUOTE="yermomsboxx"]If I punched you in the face and asked you to apologize for my punching you in the face, what would be your response, out of curiosity?foxhound_fox


That analogy is not very sound.

They violated Iranian borders. If apologizing and harming their pride can prevent the deaths of thousands... if not hundreds of thousands of deaths... I would say go for it. No amount of pride is worth that many deaths.

You were saying...?

And as far as the question of making an insincere apology to recover troops goes, you are not looking at the big picture. Right now, Iran is trying to guage both the US and her allies' response to these acts of war. Folding in this instance would set a precedent for them to do something on a larger scale the next time. Bad idea.

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#12 Stikke
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They need to bring the Shah back.
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#13 Mr_Manikin52
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I thought the Royal Navy is a mightiest navy in the world. The Brits should of defended themselves from those Revolutionary Guards.

Britian is weak!

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#14 fidosim
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Actually Iran now pretty much wants Britain to immediately withdrawl all its troops from iraq.  They had that female sailor they captured demand Britan's withdrawl.
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#15 Silchas
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Like this?

UK: Iran, we're so sorry :cry:

Iran: Okay, friends? 

Like that'll happen.. 

 

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#16 Vax45
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All they asked for was an apology, they didn't say the UK had to mean it.
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#17 Custodian405
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Iran has gone too far. I really don't see the logic behind their actions. Yea sure they are showing their brass balls by pissing off the West in so many different ways but even brass melts from the heat of an explotion caused by a well aimed cluster bomb. China and who ever else is backing them wont be able to do so much longer. Iran is practically giving excuses for the West to start hostile actions towards them.
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#18 Taegukki
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NO. They shouldnt apologize for something they DIDNT DO. They were in Iraqi waters. If the Iranians do anything (which they most likely wont, as it would be an invitation for war), there will be serious hell to pay.
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#19 Darth_Julian
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Iran is just trying to be difficult. Like an annoying younger sibling who wants attention.

 

I say we stand strong and demand their release, hell maybe we'll be able to dish out more UN sanctions too. I ran needs to be taught a lesson, they're becoming a pain in our asses (or arses in this case :D) and we need to stop chickening out. Iraq was never the enemy, Iran was. Dictators may oppress their people but governments who are influenced by theological extremism (or any extremism for that matter) are the ones that cause the most trouble.

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#20 BEAN_LARD_MULCH
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Whats there to apologize for? The troops did nothing wrong. They werent in Iranian waters.
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[QUOTE="yermomsboxx"]If I punched you in the face and asked you to apologize for my punching you in the face, what would be your response, out of curiosity?foxhound_fox


That analogy is not very sound.

They violated Iranian borders. If apologizing and harming their pride can prevent the deaths of thousands... if not hundreds of thousands of deaths... I would say go for it. No amount of pride is worth that many deaths.

 

yea it's more like me kidnapping your cousin because he was cutting through my yard.  Sure tresspassing is a crime, but you don't counter it by kidnapping (a more serious crime).

Some people would apologize, but those types of people don't get leadership roles, people who take action get leadership roles. 

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#22 Trippinskott
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if what the media says is true, and 99% of the time, it's not, then the U.K should not apologize for anything. We should bomb the hell out of Iran and be done with the whole situation. That's what we should of done with Iraq, and maybe we could have saved like 3,300 troops' lives.
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#23 ncderek
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i think theyre being stubborn, see my thread, i said how its not like every time someone comes into our country, which is thousands of times a day, illegaly, we put them on tv and make them applogize. we'd have a series...
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#24 gs_gear
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Wait... all Iran wants is an apology!?

MY ****ING GOD!

Swallow your pride you selfish bastards and give it to them! Risking the lives of 15 humans for national pride... what a world we live in...

*goes to fact check*
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If I punched you in the face and asked you to apologize for my punching you in the face, what would be your response, out of curiosity?

I don't know about him but if you did that to me then...............

      :P

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#25 Mercury88
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NO! whether they were tresspassing is questionable, there are differing reports from both sides about where exactly the soldiers where. This can be sorted very easily but iran aren't complying.
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#26 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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no they shouldnt....

they werent in Iranian water..... and even if they were,.... why the hell capture them?!...the Iranians are just seeking attention

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#27 V4LENT1NE
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I thought the Royal Navy is a mightiest navy in the world. The Brits should of defended themselves from those Revolutionary Guards.

Britian is weak!

Mr_Manikin52

Only took a few lines for the first anti Britain comment, faster than usual, its good to know you have so called allies...........

 

But no we shouldnt apologize, for what? They werent in their waters, Iran is talking crap, and you really think Britain is scared of Iran? No. 

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#28 Lonelynight
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I feel sorry for the troops that are captured
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#29 luke1889
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Wait... all Iran wants is an apology!?

MY ****ING GOD!

Swallow your pride you selfish bastards and give it to them! Risking the lives of 15 humans for national pride... what a world we live in...

*goes to fact check*
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My sentiments too. It's just one word...."sorry".
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#30 serbsta69
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no i dont think so
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#31 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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I thought the Royal Navy is a mightiest navy in the world. The Brits should of defended themselves from those Revolutionary Guards.

Britian is weak!

Mr_Manikin52

You're stupid and hardly deserves attention...too bad I'm bored...

You're ignorant beyond comparission too.....The brits where on a tiny boat and the Iranians surrounded them with ships.....

It's funny how you think that american marines would have defended themselves......they would have done the same thing...

and by the way, this has nothing to do with the strength of a nation.....there were just 15 people on that boat...

now please don't ever write on this board again....good bye

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#32 rappid_rabbit
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I sure think so, if that is all Iran wants, then appologize. Even if you don't mean it, just do it. It is better than risking war, which the UK can't afford, but Iran can. ManofKnowledge
Wow...where are you from? Sounding like a Nazi sympathizer in WWII...
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#33 gs_gear
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[QUOTE="Mr_Manikin52"]

I thought the Royal Navy is a mightiest navy in the world. The Brits should of defended themselves from those Revolutionary Guards.

Britian is weak!

jointed

You're stupid and hardly deserves attention...too bad I'm bored...

You're ignorant beyond comparission too.....The brits where on a tiny boat and the Iranians surrounded them with ships.....

It's funny how you think that american marines would have defended themselves......they would have done the same thing...

and by the way, this has nothing to do with the strength of a nation.....there were just 15 people on that boat...

now please don't ever write on this board again....good bye

lol he expected them  to go 300 style. No retreat, no surrender. lol
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#34 Mercury88
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To those who think I simple apology would end this: That a pretty naive opinion, even if Britain apologise they are not going to just turn round to the prisoners and set them free......And Britain isn't likely to just forget about the fact Iran kidnapped British troops despite the fact their is no proof that they trespassed.
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#35 Ninja-Vox
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I thought the Royal Navy is a mightiest navy in the world. The Brits should of defended themselves from those Revolutionary Guards.

Britian is weak!

Mr_Manikin52
One rubber dingy vs six gunboats.... Use your brain.
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[QUOTE="yermomsboxx"]If I punched you in the face and asked you to apologize for my punching you in the face, what would be your response, out of curiosity?foxhound_fox


That analogy is not very sound.

They violated Iranian borders. If apologizing and harming their pride can prevent the deaths of thousands... if not hundreds of thousands of deaths... I would say go for it. No amount of pride is worth that many deaths.

They did not violate Iranian borders, the GPS co-ordinates have been released and the original co-ordinates Iran gave shown them to be in Iraqi waters, they changed them 2 days later. Why should an apology made when there was no offense commited? Iran should be the ones apologising for kidnapping soldiers without due cause.
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#37 Ninja-Vox
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if what the media says is true, and 99% of the time, it's not, then the U.K should not apologize for anything. We should bomb the hell out of Iran and be done with the whole situation. That's what we should of done with Iraq, and maybe we could have saved like 3,300 troops' lives.Trippinskott
And the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians? :|
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#38 DarkKar
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[QUOTE="Trippinskott"]if what the media says is true, and 99% of the time, it's not, then the U.K should not apologize for anything. We should bomb the hell out of Iran and be done with the whole situation. That's what we should of done with Iraq, and maybe we could have saved like 3,300 troops' lives.Ninja-Vox
And the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians? :|

Someone out there would rub their hands to that question and mumble "expendable"
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#39 Bourbons3
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No, they shouldn't apologise. What is it with getting the UK to say sorry for everything recently...
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#40 foxhound_fox
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They did not violate Iranian borders, the GPS co-ordinates have been released and the original co-ordinates Iran gave shown them to be in Iraqi waters, they changed them 2 days later. Why should an apology made when there was no offense commited? Iran should be the ones apologising for kidnapping soldiers without due cause.Loonie


Now that I have all the facts the situation changes. Mind you, Iran is in control in this situation and they know it. There is nothing Britain can do to get "any hand" in the "relationship" (crude Seinfeld reference). Yes, Iran kidnapped the soldier without due cause, but Iran is the one with the guns pointed at the soldier heads and they are the ones who get to negotiate the terms of their release.

Britian may not have to apologize for what they did not do, but they are going to have to think of something, because if going to war and risking the lives of thousands for those of 15 is what it will come down to... I really cannot see a good outcome to this. There is going to be a war... that will kill thousands... and it will because the western powers are too trigger happy and do not think about all the consequences to their actions.
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#42 southy787
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Apologise for what? They're the ones who should be apologising.
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#43 videogamer456
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Lets offer them a trade: We can give them Tony Blair for the hostages. Then we can send Jack Bauer in to free Tony Blair.
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#44 Mercury88
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[QUOTE="Loonie"]They did not violate Iranian borders, the GPS co-ordinates have been released and the original co-ordinates Iran gave shown them to be in Iraqi waters, they changed them 2 days later. Why should an apology made when there was no offense commited? Iran should be the ones apologising for kidnapping soldiers without due cause.foxhound_fox


Now that I have all the facts the situation changes. Mind you, Iran is in control in this situation and they know it. There is nothing Britain can do to get "any hand" in the "relationship" (crude Seinfeld reference). Yes, Iran kidnapped the soldier without due cause, but Iran is the one with the guns pointed at the soldier heads and they are the ones who get to negotiate the terms of their release.

Britian may not have to apologize for what they did not do, but they are going to have to think of something, because if going to war and risking the lives of thousands for those of 15 is what it will come down to... I really cannot see a good outcome to this. There is going to be a war... that will kill thousands... and it will because the western powers are too trigger happy and do not think about all the consequences to their actions.

I Disagree, the blame will lie with Iran for kidnapping British soldiers for no reason and holding guns to their heads :| 
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#45 Mercury88
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Lets offer them a trade: We can give them Tony Blair for the hostages. Then we can send Jack Bauer in to free Tony Blair.videogamer456
Or we could just leave Tony Blair....
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#46 foxhound_fox
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I Disagree, the blame will lie with Iran for kidnapping British soldiers for no reason and holding guns to their heads :| Mercury88


I guess I should have elaborated more on that point... I said there was going to be a war in the Middle East... not in Iran specifically... and it would be caused by one of the groups of crazies egging on a western power into attacking them, thus giving them the ammo they need to spur on their people.

The Americans did the same thing in WWI and WWII. In WWI they joined the war because the Germans sunk the Lusitania a "passenger" ship that was actually shipping thousands of tons of ammunition and other wartime supplies to France to sell to the Allies. They used that to rally the American people into fighting the Germans. In WWII they were caught completely by surprise by the Japanese, who made the grave mistake of allying themselves with the Axis powers, because they were intending to Imperialize Asia and bring them under a "sphere of influence" to promote economic growth out of the hands of a European power. (There were only two grave mistakes the Japanese made in their recent history. The first was allying themselves with the Axis, the other was buying the MGM movie company, and not buying the rights to the movies).

There is going to be a war in the Middle East, one much worse than the one in Iraq and one for greater reasons than modern day Imperialism... it is avoidable, and if proper planning and action is taken, the best consequences of actions can be found and applied.

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#47 UrbanSpartan125
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I thought the Royal Navy is a mightiest navy in the world. The Brits should of defended themselves from those Revolutionary Guards.

Britian is weak!

Mr_Manikin52
Britain had the strongest Navy 150 years ago, but now its the US 
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#48 gaminggeek
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Britain should capture some Iranian soldiers and claim the same. Or send some frigates to Iraqi waters and threaten air strikes.
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#49 Kev_Boy
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There is going to be a war in the Middle East, one much worse than the one in Iraq and one for greater reasons than modern day Imperialism... it is avoidable, and if proper planning and action is taken, the best consequences of actions can be found and applied.

foxhound_fox
Who says it needs to be avoided?
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#50 Ninja-Vox
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They'd better resolve this quickly, or rediculously it WILL lead to war. We all heard the PM saying the other day how things are at one level now, and they will continue to increase a level until "we're at a stage nobody would like to be at". Iran are risking a lot just to show off.