Should the US get Universal Healthcare?

Should it?

I think it should, it should be one of those functions that the government does. I'd trust the government with my health over a corporation anyday.

Nah man.

I think it would be better then what you have now, because you are stuck in the middle, halfway between both. That position won't be able to last forever, you will have to decide to either go back to what you had before (reverse what obama did) or progress even more towards universal

NO HECK NO

That depends, are you a socialist?LiftedHeadshot

No, I don't think government should run everything, but they should be in charge of something like this. It makes more sense.

That depends, are you a socialist?LiftedHeadshot

I think it would be better then what you have now, because you are stuck in the middle, halfway between both. That position won't be able to last forever, you will have to decide to either go back to what you had before (reverse what obama did) or progress even more towards universal

gamedude2020

Youtube is why I don't support universal health care.

Evidence.

My tax dollars are not paying for ******* idiots like this.

I don't support universal healthcare. I like the concept but the reality is that it can be expensive and there aren't alot of oppurtunities for doctors. Our insurance healthcare plan has its faults but not everyone gets denied healthcare coverage. There is a sense of personal responsibility in getting a healthcare plan.

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]That depends, are you a socialist?SgtKevali

No, I don't think government should run everything, but they should be in charge of something like this. It makes more sense.

I'm not American, so I say let their own people decide.

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

Wasdie

It contradicts Capitalism, and what is the only economic model that promotes progress? Captialism.LiftedHeadshot

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

SgtKevali

Should it?

I think it should, it should be one of those functions that the government does. I'd trust the government with my health over a corporation anyday.

SgtKevali

Of course, because the government has managed social security and Medicare with flying colors.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]That depends, are you a socialist?LiftedHeadshot

No, I don't think government should run everything, but they should be in charge of something like this. It makes more sense.

That profit motive doesn't include your wellbeing

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

LJS9502_basic

Nuh-uh! Everything is free with no strings, don't you know?

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Should it?

I think it should, it should be one of those functions that the government does. I'd trust the government with my health over a corporation anyday.

QuistisTrepe_

Of course, because the government has managed social security and Medicare with flying colors.

It's done it better than any private company would.

Do you want the government telling you what you can eat, how much you need to exercise, what you can't do? Because if government provides the health care they have the right to control your health.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Should it?

I think it should, it should be one of those functions that the government does. I'd trust the government with my health over a corporation anyday.

SgtKevali

Of course, because the government has managed social security and Medicare with flying colors.

It's done it better than any private company would.

Really? Do tell me more then. Last I checked, a private corporation goes bankrupt and dies off when it's poorly managed. I could be wrong about that after all.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

LJS9502_basic

That's an absurd analogy. Anyway, the health care companies control our health right now. Look at how they deny people coverage, decide what operations you can and can't get.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"] So you would rather trust your life to a corporation than the government? And we're not going back to the time of strong local government. As technology increases government will become even more centralized.

SgtKevali

That's an absurd analogy. Anyway, the health care companies control our health right now. Look at how they deny people coverage, decide what operations you can and can't get.

So the government deciding operations is better? Many people in socialized medicine countries have to wait years for some operations.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Do you want the government telling you what you can eat, how much you need to exercise, what you can't do? Because if government provides the health care they have the right to control your health.LJS9502_basic

That's an absurd analogy. Anyway, the health care companies control our health right now. Look at how they deny people coverage, decide what operations you can and can't get.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Of course, because the government has managed social security and Medicare with flying colors.

QuistisTrepe_

It's done it better than any private company would.

Really? Do tell me more then. Last I checked, a private corporation goes bankrupt and dies off when it's poorly managed. I could be wrong about that after all.

Anway, seeing all the countires that have better health care than us makes one wonder.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Do you want the government telling you what you can eat, how much you need to exercise, what you can't do? Because if government provides the health care they have the right to control your health.LJS9502_basic

That's an absurd analogy. Anyway, the health care companies control our health right now. Look at how they deny people coverage, decide what operations you can and can't get.

So the government deciding operations is better? Many people in socialized medicine countries have to wait years for some operations.

Not true in all countries with universal healthcare by a longshot.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

It's done it better than any private company would.

Yongying

Really? Do tell me more then. Last I checked, a private corporation goes bankrupt and dies off when it's poorly managed. I could be wrong about that after all.

Anway, seeing all the countires that have better health care than us makes one wonder.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

That's an absurd analogy. Anyway, the health care companies control our health right now. Look at how they deny people coverage, decide what operations you can and can't get.

SgtKevali

So the government deciding operations is better? Many people in socialized medicine countries have to wait years for some operations.

Not true in all countries with universal healthcare by a longshot.

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]It contradicts Capitalism, and what is the only economic model that promotes progress? Captialism.coochie_kuta

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

LJS9502_basic

Yes.

We are the only industrialized country left in the world that doesn't have it. It's about time we catch up with the rest of the world.

Letting corporations control everything is a bad thing.

A little socialism mixed with some capitalism won't hurt.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

It's done it better than any private company would.

Yongying

Really? Do tell me more then. Last I checked, a private corporation goes bankrupt and dies off when it's poorly managed. I could be wrong about that after all.

Anway, seeing all the countires that have better health care than us makes one wonder.

Zing! As long as the government deems you "too big to fail.";)

Yes.

We are the only industrialized country left in the world that doesn't have it. It's about time we catch up with the rest of the world.

Letting corporations control everything is a bad thing.

A little socialism mixed with some capitalism won't hurt.

Rikusaki

So, what is it we're catching up to?

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

LJS9502_basic

Oh don't be silly. We have universal healthcare in the UK and the only "control" of our healthcare comes in the form of stuff like advertisements that tell us that if you eat healthily and exercise more then you'll be at less risk of heart attacks. Is that really a bad thing? Really?

Yes, it will probably mean you'll have to pay slightly higher taxes, but at least you won't get a nasty bill when you need medical care.

And all those Americans who rant on about "it's Communism!! Communism!! COOOOMMMMUUUUNIIIIISSSMMMMM" really make me lol.

Universal Healthcare is awesome in my opinion.

It contradicts Capitalism, and what is the only economic model that promotes progress? Captialism.LiftedHeadshot

Progress....right. I'm not a socialist or communist, but capitalism is just as wicked and evil as the other two. Go learn about the Guilded Age and you will see the true evils of capitalism. Personally I think people should have the choice of health care, if they want privitized which would be provide quicker service and be a bit more expensive so be it, or if they are good with the health care the government can provide that is cheaper so be it. However if I was forced to chose between no government run health care and government run healthcare, I would chose government run health care.

[QUOTE="coochie_kuta"][QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]It contradicts Capitalism, and what is the only economic model that promotes progress? Captialism.LiftedHeadshot

What does distribution of health insurance have to do with scientific or technological progress?

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Really? Do tell me more then. Last I checked, a private corporation goes bankrupt and dies off when it's poorly managed. I could be wrong about that after all.

LJS9502_basic

Anway, seeing all the countires that have better health care than us makes one wonder.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Yes.

We are the only industrialized country left in the world that doesn't have it. It's about time we catch up with the rest of the world.

Letting corporations control everything is a bad thing.

A little socialism mixed with some capitalism won't hurt.

QuistisTrepe_

So, what is it we're catching up to?

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]It contradicts Capitalism, and what is the only economic model that promotes progress? Captialism.DarkGamer007

Progress....right. I'm not a socialist or communist, but capitalism is just as wicked and evil as the other two. Go learn about the Guilded Age and you will see the true evils of capitalism.

A lot of that had to do with monopolies that were created by legislation.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No. More government programs = more government control. I'm sorry, I'm not for big government.

Also do away with Social Security. Privatized retirement >>>> social security.

Well do away with SS for my generation, there are at least 2-3 generations that still need it. Phase it out.

Bring back the days of more powerful state governments and local governments. Our country needs to be as politically diverse as it is culturally diverse for all to thrive.

LJS9502_basic

I don't see this happening in any of the other western countries, many of whom have higher average standards of living.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Yes.

We are the only industrialized country left in the world that doesn't have it. It's about time we catch up with the rest of the world.

Letting corporations control everything is a bad thing.

A little socialism mixed with some capitalism won't hurt.

QuistisTrepe_

So, what is it we're catching up to?

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Yes.

We are the only industrialized country left in the world that doesn't have it. It's about time we catch up with the rest of the world.

Letting corporations control everything is a bad thing.

A little socialism mixed with some capitalism won't hurt.

bluezy

So, what is it we're catching up to?

Awesome, I was looking for a place with a long wait for mediocre service.