Should the US / NATO attack Iran now ?

....theirs new reports Iran could develop an ICBM capable of reaching NATO countries by 2015. If they do, the balance of power in the middle east would turn upside down.

If the US waits a long time to attack Iran, it could risk starting into a full scale war. Do you think they should strike at Iran now, and stop them quickly? Or try and avoid war altogether, wait to see what happens?

I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

Pirate700

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I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

Duckman5

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

Duckman5

true, but frankly I dont think we can trust Israel to conduct a proper war. They would likely show little to no restraint as they currently do, and following the tanks and troops would likely be bulldozers and supplies to build houses. Iran would become New Israel, and there'd be millions of refugees.

[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

Pirate700

that has not really been working lately, though

Israel is going to bite the hand that feeds it (the US) very soon, I feel, and it is going to hurt.

you never know what can happen...Solid-CELL

[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

mrbojangles25

true, but frankly I dont think we can trust Israel to conduct a proper war. They would likely show little to no restraint as they currently do, and following the tanks and troops would likely be bulldozers and supplies to build houses. Iran would become New Israel, and there'd be millions of refugees.

Uh, might want to check your geography. Tanks and bulldozers would be a challenge.

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[QUOTE="Duckman5"] This. Israel is more than capable of dealing with them without our help.mrbojangles25

that has not really been working lately, though

Israel is going to bite the hand that feeds it (the US) very soon, I feel, and it is going to hurt.

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[QUOTE="Duckman5"] This. Israel is more than capable of dealing with them without our help.Oleg_Huzwog

true, but frankly I dont think we can trust Israel to conduct a proper war. They would likely show little to no restraint as they currently do, and following the tanks and troops would likely be bulldozers and supplies to build houses. Iran would become New Israel, and there'd be millions of refugees.

Uh, might want to check your geography. Tanks and bulldozers would be a challenge.

considering Iraq is right next to Iran, US forces are stationed there with lots of cargo planes, and it is problably a 1-hour flight to Israel...I dont see the problem getting tanks and other vehicles there. If that is what you were getting at, that is.

I doubt Obama will do anything about it. I believe we should let Israel take care of them, if not, we should destroy them while they are weak.

considering Iraq is right next to Iran, US forces are stationed there with lots of cargo planes, and it is problably a 1-hour flight to Israel...I dont see the problem getting tanks and other vehicles there. If that is what you were getting at, that is.

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

mrbojangles25

true, but frankly I dont think we can trust Israel to conduct a proper war. They would likely show little to no restraint as they currently do, and following the tanks and troops would likely be bulldozers and supplies to build houses. Iran would become New Israel, and there'd be millions of refugees.

Also concerning your other post, about Israel 'biting the hand that feeds it' could you please elaborate? Your mystical ability to predict the future is pretty incredible I'm just having some trouble understanding you.

Anyone that says yes is also saying yes to an Iran/Russian/Chinese alliance because that's exactly what would happen and those three could take on the world.

Right now Iran is on the outside and thinks it can do it all by itself, the second they feel they can't they're going to be the third piece in what could be the most destructive alliance the Earth has ever seen

So no, I don't think Iran needs to be prodded right now

Let's see what we can do with diplomacy there and around the globe before we give Iran any ideas

We have tech that can shoot those things down. Not like they will be mass producing ICBMs.

Also concerning your other post, about Israel 'biting the hand that feeds it' could you please elaborate? Your mystical ability to predict the future is pretty incredible I'm just having some trouble understanding you.

swizz-the-gamer

Also, I would keep with diplomacy as long as possible.

We need to gain some allies and have them completley outnumbered. A solo US action against Iran would not be good but a Nato/US attack with treaties with Russia and China (or at least some level of trust) will be much greater.

An attack on Iran would also mean a wide sweep on other countries as other posters did point out that there is more than Iran at play here.

Overall war is not a good idea and should be the final straw. They don't have those ICBMs yet, until they don't have them, diplomacy needs to be the option.

Anyone that says yes is also saying yes to an Iran/Russian/Chinese alliance because that's exactly what would happen and those three could take on the world.

Jaysonguy

Nobody should attack Iran but sadly that's where Obama will take the United States.

All hell will break loose if Iran is attacked, the UK and Israel will obviously help the United States while Syria, Egypt, Hezbollah and Iran will strike back at Israel, India and Pakistan will most likely take advantage of the situation and attack eachother. Russia has already said that Iran should not be attacked so who knows what they would do to respond to the United States.

We have tech that can shoot those things down.

Wasdie

We have the technology

I think an attack on Iran now will be a bad idea. However I can see someone attacking them within the next couple years because I don't think they will listen to diplomacy or follow sanctions. We should just let Israel handle this one even though I don't see it having a good outcome either way.

let em build the nukeweezyfb

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]let em build the nukeMushroomWig

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

Duckman5

agreed

Attacking Iran will cause chaos

No one wants another Iraq, and we definitely don't want another major oil spill.

Attacking Iran will cause chaos

No one wants another Iraq, and we definitely don't want another major oil spill.

TehFuneral

Oil spill? I doubt environmental impact is a major consideration when figuring the pros and cons of war.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="weezyfb"]let em build the nukeswizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Attacking Iran will cause chaos

No one wants another Iraq, and we definitely don't want another major oil spill.

Oleg_Huzwog

Oil spill? I doubt environmental impact is a major consideration when figuring the pros and cons of war.

It is concerning the Persian Gulf and its surrounding countries.

it will cause a long term damage.

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[QUOTE="Duckman5"] This. Israel is more than capable of dealing with them without our help.swizz-the-gamer

true, but frankly I dont think we can trust Israel to conduct a proper war. They would likely show little to no restraint as they currently do, and following the tanks and troops would likely be bulldozers and supplies to build houses. Iran would become New Israel, and there'd be millions of refugees.

Also concerning your other post, about Israel 'biting the hand that feeds it' could you please elaborate? Your mystical ability to predict the future is pretty incredible I'm just having some trouble understanding you.

the US supports Israel under certain conditions

Israel has broken these conditions.

the US has patiently talked to Israel and tried to keep them restrained; sometimes they listen, other times they do not.

As for the possible scenario I presented, I dont think it is likely to happen, just throwing it out there. I am simply saying that, just because Israel is "a good guy", we cannot expect them to do the right things. Especially given the animosity between Israel and Iran. Besides, it is really not that far fetched; Jews from all over the world came to a country, and they have continually been taking more territory by force for the past few decades.

Anyway, I thought all you folks in OT would have realized by now I am the local Devil's Advocate lol. I dont necessarily believe in the crap I say, but A.) that does not mean its impossible, and B.) dont reject it simply because it is distasteful

@ mushroomwig He sure wants to put them to death .

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Attacking Iran will cause chaos

No one wants another Iraq, and we definitely don't want another major oil spill.

Oleg_Huzwog

Oil spill? I doubt environmental impact is a major consideration when figuring the pros and cons of war.

but...the penguins! Dont you recall those poor oil-covered penguins! Yes, I know its hot there but what if there are penguins!!!

No, and I can't understand why America wants to attack everybody :| What's so bad about balancing the powers anyway? USA wants to be th eonly one with nukes to "peacekeep" easier? I don't think sooo...

No, and I can't understand why America wants to attack everybody :| What's so bad about balancing the powers anyway? USA wants to be th eonly one with nukes to "peacekeep" easier? I don't think sooo...

Crimsader

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="weezyfb"]let em build the nukeswizz-the-gamer

That statement is a falsehood that has been perpetuated by the same Anglo-American news media that helped to fabricate the false pretexts for the invasion of Iraq.

Watch THIS VIDEO for the truth---and for insight into the role of US media as warmongering propagandists.

No, and I can't understand why America wants to attack everybody :| What's so bad about balancing the powers anyway? USA wants to be th eonly one with nukes to "peacekeep" easier? I don't think sooo...

Crimsader

Do some research on Iran and what their leaders have said.

If it was up to them, they would have control of most of the world.

Lol, i'm enjoying all the mad paranoia in this thread- countries like north korea already have nukes and they haven't destroyed the world (yet) so why would it be a problem if Iran had one- there is already technology to shoot down long range missiles in-case this becomes a possibility however are Iran stupid enough to send one nuke that is shot down when everyone knows that the US and Russia have horded hundreds of nukes.

I just don't see the need to invade just because the possibilty that they have nearly created a nuke (how likely is it that they actually use it), they're gonna make one eventually- we should probably just give them one to stop their whining:P. Let them make their nuke- maybe if they feel they are on equal footing, diplomatic relations will improve.As for the comment about the Israeli military being one of the most restrained, you should probably try telling that to the hundreds of civilians that were indiscriminately bombed in Lebanon in an attempt to destroy terrorist HQ's ( which were probably unscratched underground).

Attacking Iran will cause chaos

No one wants another Iraq, and we definitely don't want another major oil spill.

TehFuneral

It wouldn't be a ground invasion, it would be a huge air strike. I didn't agree with the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, but i would rather the US or Israel stopped Iran now, instead of 5 years down the line when they may have a nuke and may have started a military build up.

Iran influence is a cancer upon this world.GazaAli

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[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Attacking Iran will cause chaos

No one wants another Iraq, and we definitely don't want another major oil spill.

mrbojangles25

Oil spill? I doubt environmental impact is a major consideration when figuring the pros and cons of war.

but...the penguins! Dont you recall those poor oil-covered penguins! Yes, I know its hot there but what if there are penguins!!!

Somebody post the Futurama video of oil-soaked penguins, now!

I don't think either of us would have to. We would give Israel the green light.

Pirate700

Agreed. Israel would rock Iran's ****. Let the Ass-kickers of the Middle East do what they do best.

instead of 5 years down the line when they may have a nuke and may have started a military build up.gamedude2020

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No, and I can't understand why America wants to attack everybody :| What's so bad about balancing the powers anyway? USA wants to be th eonly one with nukes to "peacekeep" easier? I don't think sooo...

Wasdie

Do some research on Iran and what their leaders have said.

If it was up to them, they would have control of most of the world.