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#1 wiistation36000
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That all bills will not be longer than the constitution itself? I think it might save a lot of time.

...and quite a few forests

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#2 xxxAdvocatexxx
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So... what is the discussion? You pay it or you don't.

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#3 get-ka12
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No, laws need to be subject to defining the meaning of what is trying to pass.

There are reasons laws become 2000 pages long.

I know someone who has read the 2000 page health care bill.

The person who typed it up.

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#4 deadevil666
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Murdering someone is very, very, very, ... (2k pgs later) bad for their health.

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#5 lazzordude
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no. however there should be laws that makes all the content of the bill relevant to the point of the bill. it would certainly cut down a lot of the corruption in washington.

ex. no "giving new orleans $100 mil" in a freaking health care bill. wtf does that have to do with health care?

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#6 BreakTheseLinks
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So... what is the discussion? You pay it or you don't.

xxxAdvocatexxx
*woosh* Right over your head. Anyway, I guess that would make sense.
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#7 BreakTheseLinks
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[QUOTE="lazzordude"]

no. however there should be laws that makes all the content of the bill relevant to the point of the bill. it would certainly cut down a lot of the corruption in washington.

ex. no "giving new orleans $100 mil" in a freaking health care bill. wtf does that have to do with health care?

Yeah tacking on irrelavent riders to the bill is crap.
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#8 Lucifericus
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There should be a new Constitution, the old one is out dated.

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#9 wiistation36000
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no. however there should be laws that makes all the content of the bill relevant to the point of the bill. it would certainly cut down a lot of the corruption in washington.

ex. no "giving new orleans $100 mil" in a freaking health care bill. wtf does that have to do with health care?

lazzordude
That sounds good, but I think it wouldn't be for the best in the end, considering relevance is sometimes a point of view. Some bills need more space than others, but two thousand god-damn pages long? That should be a crime! (literally)
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#10 xxxAdvocatexxx
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[QUOTE="xxxAdvocatexxx"]

So... what is the discussion? You pay it or you don't.

BreakTheseLinks

*woosh* Right over your head. Anyway, I guess that would make sense.

And there is my blond moment of the day...:x Thank you... Goodnight exit stage left.....

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#11 lazzordude
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There should be a new Constitution, the old one is out dated.

Lucifericus
all you need is 3/4 of the states to have a committee, and anything in the constitution could be changed.
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#12 cd_rom
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no. however there should be laws that makes all the content of the bill relevant to the point of the bill. it would certainly cut down a lot of the corruption in washington.

ex. no "giving new orleans $100 mil" in a freaking health care bill. wtf does that have to do with health care?

lazzordude
It might clear a couple things, but ultimately that wouldn't be enforceable. There's no clear definition on what is relevant. The people that propose such things would find enough justification to bypass that requirement.
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#13 lazzordude
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[QUOTE="lazzordude"]

no. however there should be laws that makes all the content of the bill relevant to the point of the bill. it would certainly cut down a lot of the corruption in washington.

ex. no "giving new orleans $100 mil" in a freaking health care bill. wtf does that have to do with health care?

wiistation36000
That sounds good, but I think it wouldn't be for the best in the end, considering relevance is sometimes a point of view. Some bills need more space than others, but two thousand god-damn pages long? That should be a crime! (literally)

you do realize that bills are 2000 pages long mostly because all the dumb rider bills, right?
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#14 Lucifericus
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[QUOTE="Lucifericus"]

There should be a new Constitution, the old one is out dated.

lazzordude
all you need is 3/4 of the states to have a committee, and anything in the constitution could be changed.

How about EVERYTHING?
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#15 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"][QUOTE="lazzordude"]

no. however there should be laws that makes all the content of the bill relevant to the point of the bill. it would certainly cut down a lot of the corruption in washington.

ex. no "giving new orleans $100 mil" in a freaking health care bill. wtf does that have to do with health care?

lazzordude
That sounds good, but I think it wouldn't be for the best in the end, considering relevance is sometimes a point of view. Some bills need more space than others, but two thousand god-damn pages long? That should be a crime! (literally)

you do realize that bills are 2000 pages long mostly because all the dumb rider bills, right?

I don't know, probably. Enforcing a reasonable maximum amount of pages though (maybe 50 pages?) would completely remove the problem.
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#16 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Lucifericus"]

There should be a new Constitution, the old one is out dated.

Lucifericus
all you need is 3/4 of the states to have a committee, and anything in the constitution could be changed.

How about EVERYTHING?

Why?
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#17 Lucifericus
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"][QUOTE="Lucifericus"][QUOTE="lazzordude"] all you need is 3/4 of the states to have a committee, and anything in the constitution could be changed.

How about EVERYTHING?

Why?

I want to take away your rights because I think humanity is out of control.
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#19 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"][QUOTE="Lucifericus"]How about EVERYTHING? Lucifericus
Why?

I want to take away your rights because I think humanity is out of control.

Oh, cool.

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uh.. no.
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#21 Lucifericus
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[QUOTE="Lucifericus"][QUOTE="wiistation36000"] Why?wiistation36000

I want to take away your rights because I think humanity is out of control.

Oh, cool.

Enslave all of humanity, I shall.
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#22 deadevil666
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"]

[QUOTE="Lucifericus"]I want to take away your rights because I think humanity is out of control. Lucifericus

Oh, cool.

Enslave all of humanity, I shall.

Not if I enslave them first!

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#23 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"]

[QUOTE="Lucifericus"]I want to take away your rights because I think humanity is out of control. Lucifericus

Oh, cool.

Enslave all of humanity, I shall.

I'd hit it

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#24 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="Lucifericus"][QUOTE="wiistation36000"]

Oh, cool.

deadevil666

Enslave all of humanity, I shall.

Not if I enslave them first!

Come on, I can't deal with both of you :(
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#25 deadevil666
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[QUOTE="deadevil666"]

[QUOTE="Lucifericus"]Enslave all of humanity, I shall. wiistation36000

Not if I enslave them first!

Come on, I can't deal with both of you :(

Can't beat em', join em'.

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[QUOTE="Lucifericus"][QUOTE="lazzordude"] all you need is 3/4 of the states to have a committee, and anything in the constitution could be changed. wiistation36000
How about EVERYTHING?

Why?

Because apparently freedom of speech and division of power is overrated.;)

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#27 IndigoSunrise
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I hate it when people can type the full topic in the title but don't putting...instead.
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#28 lazzordude
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"][QUOTE="Lucifericus"]How about EVERYTHING? dercoo

Why?

Because apparently freedom of speech and division of power is overrated.;)

in all actuality, the separation of powers needs some kind of change. the congress has gotten too much power, and the federal government has learned many ways to bully states to conform to their ideas.
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#29 wiistation36000
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I hate it when people can type the full topic in the title but don't putting...instead. IndigoSunrise
...If it allowed me to post the entire question in the title I would have...
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#30 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"][QUOTE="deadevil666"]

Not if I enslave them first!

deadevil666

Come on, I can't deal with both of you :(

Can't beat em', join em'.

Hmmmm... Which one to join? :?

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#31 deadevil666
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[QUOTE="deadevil666"]

[QUOTE="wiistation36000"] Come on, I can't deal with both of you :(wiistation36000

Can't beat em', join em'.

Hmmmm... Which one to join? :?

He's level 8. I'm lvl 33.

Obviously I'm superior in every way.

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#32 Commander-Gree
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So... what is the discussion? You pay it or you don't.

xxxAdvocatexxx
Wrong bill...
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#33 IndigoSunrise
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[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"]I hate it when people can type the full topic in the title but don't putting...instead. wiistation36000
...If it allowed me to post the entire question in the title I would have...

Ah. I see.
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#34 Lucifericus
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"]

[QUOTE="deadevil666"]

Can't beat em', join em'.

deadevil666

Hmmmm... Which one to join? :?

He's level 8. I'm lvl 33.

Obviously I'm superior in every way.

But my name is Lucifer + Icarus. Beat that mr. generic name.
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#35 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="deadevil666"]

[QUOTE="wiistation36000"] Hmmmm... Which one to join? :?

Lucifericus

He's level 8. I'm lvl 33.

Obviously I'm superior in every way.

But my name is Lucifer + Icarus. Beat that mr. generic name.



I don't trust you.

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#36 deadevil666
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[QUOTE="deadevil666"]

[QUOTE="wiistation36000"] Hmmmm... Which one to join? :?

Lucifericus

He's level 8. I'm lvl 33.

Obviously I'm superior in every way.

But my name is Lucifer + Icarus. Beat that mr. generic name.

I totally can't hear you from this high a level, but I believe the people who did would agree that my name is at least 666x greater than yours.

So ha!