Shouldn't broadcaster Camping be arrested?

Illegal hoax and or language that incites an imminent lawless action?

Certainly could be argued for in a court of law... right? Anyone want to help me make a citizen's arrest? I'm fairly well off and live in California (where he lives and broadcasts from), so I could try to make it happen... but I'll need help.

For being an idiot?

Too many people would have to go to prison.

For being an idiot?

Too many people would have to go to prison.

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

For being an idiot?

Too many people would have to go to prison.

stiggy321

You can shout "pneumonia" in a hospital.

the biggest reason he won't is because he made no money...

Had Camping made a fortune on this whole thing, fraud chargers are a possibility... but Camping lost money...

the biggest reason he won't is because he made no money...

Had Camping made a fortune on this whole thing, fraud chargers are a possibility... but Camping lost money...

heysharpshooter

First you would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was in fact lying, opposed to honestly believing something that was wrong.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

First you would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was in fact lying, opposed to honestly believing something that was wrong.

thegerg

Fair enough. I was thinking about a future conviction, which I think would be almost impossible to reach. So, I don't think he would be arrested. Also, out of curiousity I listened to his program a number of times and I never heard him solicit money, nor have I ever heard him say anything to "incite" anyone. But, like I said I only listened a handfull of times.

YellowOneKinobi

I think the TC should learn and understand exactly what making a citizen's arrest means and what the laws are in regards to it. Sure you could detain Mr. Camping (or at least attempt to), but he hasn't done anything arrestable, so you'd likely be facing a civil suit and possibly criminal charges yourself.

I think he honestly thought that he was helping people, he isn't necessarily a bad person per se, just crazy. I don't see him being arrested anytime soon

I think the TC should learn and understand exactly what making a citizen's arrest means and what the laws are in regards to it. Sure you could detain Mr. Camping (or at least attempt to), but he hasn't done anything arrestable, so you'd likely be facing a civil suit and possibly criminal charges yourself.

worlock77

I couldn't agree more.

how did he put the public in danger....were there mass riots and looting that I missed?....and if so...damn...I wanted a new TV... :(Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]how did he put the public in danger....were there mass riots and looting that I missed?....and if so...damn...I wanted a new TV... :(Theokhoth

That's kinda their fault, though...

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]how did he put the public in danger....were there mass riots and looting that I missed?....and if so...damn...I wanted a new TV... :(no_more_fayth

That's kinda their fault, though...

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]how did he put the public in danger....were there mass riots and looting that I missed?....and if so...damn...I wanted a new TV... :(Theokhoth

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] People killed themselves and their families in fear of imminent Armageddon. Others just gave up everything they had.Theokhoth

That's kinda their fault, though...

Which is very sad and horrible, but still.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]how did he put the public in danger....were there mass riots and looting that I missed?....and if so...damn...I wanted a new TV... :(YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

That's kinda their fault, though...

no_more_fayth

Which is very sad and horrible, but still.

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] They did it based on information given to them by Camping that they trusted; had Camping not given them this information, they would not have committed these acts.Theokhoth

Which is very sad and horrible, but still.

True, I would say he is partially responsible.

They still chose to act.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] People killed themselves and their families in fear of imminent Armageddon. Others just gave up everything they had.Theokhoth

Regardless, as out of his mind as I find this guy to be, I'm pretty much convinced he sincerely believed what he was preaching, or at least I haven't found any evidence to the contrary.

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] They did it based on information given to them by Camping that they trusted; had Camping not given them this information, they would not have committed these acts.Theokhoth

Which is very sad and horrible, but still.

Ehh, that's a pretty sketchy argument. It's not like he told people to kill themselves or to sell their posession. If I were to tell someone "there is no God" and they lose their faith and hope and kill themself should I be held liable for that? Or if I were to say to them "possessions are meaningless" and they sell everything they own and give away all their money am I responsible for their sudden poverty?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

Which is very sad and horrible, but still.

worlock77

Ehh, that's a pretty sketchy argument. It's not like he told people to kill themselves or to sell their posession. If I were to tell someone "there is no God" and they lose their faith and hope and kill themself should I be held liable for that? Or if I were to say to them "possessions are meaningless" and they sell everything they own and give away all their money am I responsible for their sudden poverty?

Here in NY, Family Radio is 94.7fm and for a couple of years I've listened to that station (when I'm in the mood for that kind of choir-gospel-Christian-type-music). I've turned to that dial during his show many times and started to listen to him more frequently as all of the hype about May 21 got into high gear. He never said anything about people killing themselves to avoid whatever was about to take place. If anything, he said that Believers would be "brought up" and it would be the non-believers that would be left behind to pay for their sins. Anyone that was a "Camping Follower" would have actually taken comfort knowing that the time was now, as they would soon be in paradise.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I think the TC should learn and understand exactly what making a citizen's arrest means and what the laws are in regards to it. Sure you could detain Mr. Camping (or at least attempt to), but he hasn't done anything arrestable, so you'd likely be facing a civil suit and possibly criminal charges yourself.

I couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

Fair enough. I was thinking about a future conviction, which I think would be almost impossible to reach. So, I don't think he would be arrested. Also, out of curiousity I listened to his program a number of times and I never heard him solicit money, nor have I ever heard him say anything to "incite" anyone. But, like I said I only listened a handfull of times.

Omni-Slash

Incorrect. Know the law.

If your words are meant to lead to an illegal action, it is illegal. You can even advocate that committing an illegal act is ok, but you cannot say something that will cause it.

I would argue his words were "maliciously" meant to incitelawless action. Oh and he was liar who committed mass fraud by exploiting the beliefs of literally millions of people.

Illegal hoax and or language that incites an imminent lawless action?

Certainly could be argued for in a court of law... right? Anyone want to help me make a citizen's arrest? I'm fairly well off and live in California (where he lives and broadcasts from), so I could try to make it happen... but I'll need help.

stiggy321