Shouldn't we be actually congratulating President Hilliary Clinton not Obama?

This is the best example I can think of. Simply Obama should not be President let alone the nominee for the Democrats. Clinton got 200,000 more votes then Obama in the primaries and this is a prime example of how flawed your system is. The polls may have said you preferred Obama (corruption?) yet more then 200,000 people disagreed and voted for Clinton. You all know there is no excuse for this, Clinton should be president and you all know it, more people wanted her to be the nominee.

Didn't Al Gore receive more votes than Bush too?

Also, Obama ended up with more of the popular vote than clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

I also think the system doesn't work. Here in the Netherlands we just have to vote for a person, and the person with most votes wins, and makes his party the biggest party. This way you really get the person most people wanted, instead of delegates and stuff, it just doesn't really work that good.

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. . . . . . . . .Obama Clinton Edwards (Wikipedia)

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So Obama shouldn't have won with the whole faulty delegates system.

Personally I dont care who is the prez.freek666

Didn't Al Gore receive more votes than Bush too?

Also, Obama ended up with more of the popular vote than clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Andrew_Xavier

[QUOTE="freek666"]Personally I dont care who is the prez.NZgamer007

Effectively a toddler? Anyways, your popular vote theory means President Gore.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Didn't Al Gore receive more votes than Bush too?

Also, Obama ended up with more of the popular vote than clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

NZgamer007

congratulations hillary clinton. thereBiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]congratulations hillary clinton. thereNZgamer007

[QUOTE="NZgamer007"][QUOTE="freek666"]Personally I dont care who is the prez.Andrew_Xavier

Effectively a toddler? Anyways, your popular vote theory means President Gore.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

I was talking about the primaries not the actual election which is far fairer (despite being pretty bad). Andrew I can see you are new to politics and thats alright, everyone has to start somewhere but you have to realise that there is a huge difference between the Democrat's primaries and the Presidential Election.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="NZgamer007"] Well personally you should worry about your future if it is in the hands of someone who is effectively a toddler in politics.NZgamer007

Effectively a toddler? Anyways, your popular vote theory means President Gore.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

I was talking about the primaries not the actual election which is far fairer (despite being pretty bad).

[QUOTE="NZgamer007"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Effectively a toddler? Anyways, your popular vote theory means President Gore.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

Andrew_Xavier

I was talking about the primaries not the actual election which is far fairer (despite being pretty bad).

Well the US is king of making people not count and except the examples I have already provided its like Republicans in NY, CA voting or Democrats in Texas voting.

I don't understand the election process in the U.S either.

I do understand that unbelievable high hopes people have for a man who still hasen't had a chance to do anything. Is more less doomed to fail.

Didn't Al Gore receive more votes than Bush too?

Also, Obama ended up with more of the popular vote than clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Didn't Al Gore receive more votes than Bush too?

Also, Obama ended up with more of the popular vote than clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Didn't Al Gore receive more votes than Bush too?

Also, Obama ended up with more of the popular vote than clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

I also think the system doesn't work. Here in the Netherlands we just have to vote for a person, and the person with most votes wins, and makes his party the biggest party. This way you really get the person most people wanted, instead of delegates and stuff, it just doesn't really work that good.

Edit:
. . . . . . . . .Obama Clinton Edwards (Wikipedia)

Popularvote .18,041,747 18,269,405 1,006,289
Percentage . 47.43% . 48.03% . 2.65%

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So Obama shouldn't have won with the whole faulty delegates system.

maxmax1234

(Obama's numbers first, Clinton's second)

Popular Vote Total 17,535,458 48.1% 17,493,836 48.0%

Obama +41,622 +0.1%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,869,542 48.2% 17,717,698 47.8%

Obama +151,844 +0.4%

Popular Vote (w/MI)** 17,535,458 47.4% 17,822,145 48.1%

Clinton +286,687 +0.8%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,869,542 47.4% 18,046,007 47.9%

Clinton +176,465 +0.5%

*(Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine Have Not Released Popular Vote Totals. RealClearPolitics has estimated the popular vote totals for Senator Obama and Clinton in these four states. RCP uses the WA Caucus results from February 9 in this estimate because the Caucuses on February 9 were the "official" contest recognized by the DNC to determine delegates to the Democratic convention. The estimate from these four Caucus states where there are not official popular vote numbers increases Senator Obama's popular vote margin by 110,224. This number would be about 50,000 less if the Washington primary results from February 19th were used instead of the Washington Caucus results.)

**(Senator Obama took his name off the Michigan Ballot. Uncommitted was on the ballot and received 238,168 votes as compared to 328,309 for Senator Clinton.)

As you see the only way Clinton would win was if her votes from Michigan counted, a state where Obama didn't even have his name on the ballot because of the controversy surrounding the primary.

[QUOTE="NZgamer007"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Effectively a toddler? Anyways, your popular vote theory means President Gore.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

Andrew_Xavier

I was talking about the primaries not the actual election which is far fairer (despite being pretty bad).

yeah because we all know Hilary's experience as a politician...

wait what is that? she did nothing in 6 years as junior senator in new york except find time to criticize bush...your right

she's about as qualified as Nancy Regan in politics, meaning not at all, I'm even surprised she got the Secretary of state position

Oy, it makes me nervous enough that she is officially fourth in line to the presidency.

The party primaries are for the party members to decide the candidate they want. They can decide that how they wish. If you ask most democrats they would likely have been happy if either won. duxup

No offence but you have to be an idiot to believe in 9 years as first lady you don't learn anything about politics. Thats not to mention her time as first lady of Arkansas. Not even Obama denies that she has more experience then him so you Obama-drones should follow suit as you usually do and just do what he does.NZgamer007

Look, Hilary is basically the fifth most important person in the nation now. She may not be President, but she will definitely have a big influence on events for the next four years.

She lost. He won.rockguy92

No offence but you have to be an idiot to believe in 9 years as first lady you don't learn anything about politics. Thats not to mention her time as first lady of Arkansas. Not even Obama denies that she has more experience then him so you Obama-drones should follow suit as you usually do and just do what he does.NZgamer007

Well only 1% of Obama supporters could name his policies they just vote for him for three reason; the colour of his skin, how he speaks, America wanting change.NZgamer007

Let me give it a try: Well you know, only .5% of Hillary supporters voted for her because of her policies. The rest just voted for two reasons: because of her last name and because she's a woman.

Well only 1% of Obama supporters could name his policies they just vote for him for three reason; the colour of his skin, how he speaks, America wanting change.NZgamer007

this is a prime example of how flawed your system is.

NZgamer007

So quit complaining about it and worry about your own country's electoral system. You know, the one that's actually relevant to you.

Well only 1% of Obama supporters could name his policies they just vote for him for three reason; the colour of his skin, how he speaks, America wanting change.NZgamer007