Single mom fined $222,000 for pirating 22 songs.

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#1 f789790
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http://www.mp3.com/news/stories/10274.html

If they are going to attack someone for pirating make it a jerk not a single mom. They have no souls. How is she going to pay for that? What was the jury thinking when they did that?

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#2 X360PS3AMD05
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Probably bribed them, going after defenseless people to get money.
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People disgust me...
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#4 Brainkiller05
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Bad times.
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#6 Bourbons3
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They could have fined her for all the songs she is alleged to have shared...
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#7 sens_rocks_40
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that's ridiculous, they ignore the people who've downloaded thousands of songs, and go after someone with only 24?
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Why does the fact that she is a single mum matter? She committed a crime, regardless of whether she has children or not.Bourbons3

Bingo. If she was a single mother of 4 kids, working 3 jobs to survive, and committed 1st degree murder, would you still let her off the hook? A crime is a crime no matter who it is.

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#9 kemar7856
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HAHAHAHAHA If I was her I would have distryed my hd

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#10 slezye1682
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That's so wrong. People usually download ALOT more and she only downloaded 22.
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#11 thisguy51
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Wow thats terrible. But I guess some people have to pay the price.
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#12 Selrath
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Killing a person and listening to some songs isn't the same. :|

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#13 Engrish_Major
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She should have just walked into a store and stole the CDs. Would have gotten off a lot easier.
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#14 southy787
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Killing a person and listening to some songs isn't the same. :|

Selrath

So you're saying that single moms should be exempt from minor crimes?

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#15 kemar7856
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ppl with ipods have 100s of downloaded songs
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#16 Viper_GTS-R
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well guess what she can sue back for runing her privacy because they had to spy or hack her computer to find that out,if I were her I would sue them for billions of dollars.
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#17 maccer101
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this kinda makes me wan to stop pirating but i wont maha!
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#18 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="Selrath"]

Killing a person and listening to some songs isn't the same. :|

southy787

So you're saying that single moms should be exempt from minor crimes?

How is $220,000 not cruel and unusual? How did she cost the industry a quarter of a million dollars for a couple dozen songs?

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[QUOTE="Selrath"]

Killing a person and listening to some songs isn't the same. :|

southy787

So you're saying that single moms should be exempt from minor crimes?

Naw, but don't ya feel sorry for the kid/kids now? The mom isn't the only one that's gonna suffer.

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#20 kitty  Moderator
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thats way to much of a fine, if you ask me
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#21 Funkyhamster
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That's awful...
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#22 Hungry_bunny
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Ehm... sorry to break it to ya but it IS a crime. It doesn't matter if everybody are doing it, saying the jury members are evil is going a bit overboard
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#23 longhorn7
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[QUOTE="southy787"][QUOTE="Selrath"]

Killing a person and listening to some songs isn't the same. :|

Engrish_Major

So you're saying that single moms should be exempt from minor crimes?

How is $220,000 not cruel and unusual? How did she cost the industry a quarter of a million dollars for a couple dozen songs?

exactly. at the most he is responsible for 40 bucks, not nearly a quarter mil.
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#24 cametall
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People, the jury may not have known she was a single mother with X amount of children. The judge may not have allowed that in court and so all the jury knew was she was a woman who pirated 22 songs.

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#25 Selrath
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I did feel sorry for her, but then I read the news and it said she used Kazaa...

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#26 StealthedRogue
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Actually she pirated over 10k songs by distributing them. She was only pinned on about 17.
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#27 longhorn7
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Ehm... sorry to break it to ya but it IS a crime. It doesn't matter if everybody are doing it, saying the jury members are evil is going a bit overboard
Hungry_bunny
so charging a single mother 10,000 dollars per song is morally right? considering many people have nealry 1000 times as many sangs as she does illegally?
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#28 Messer_Partei
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I'm scared...good thing I have almost all of the music from my gen saved on my computer and all of the stuff now is not worth pirating...
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#29 longhorn7
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People, the jury may not have known she was a single mother with X amount of children. The judge may not have allowed that in court and so all the jury knew was she was a woman who pirated 22 songs.

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that would have to be allowed into court as it would show her financial situation and her ability to pay the fine they decided upon.
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#30 southy787
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[QUOTE="southy787"][QUOTE="Selrath"]

Killing a person and listening to some songs isn't the same. :|

Engrish_Major

So you're saying that single moms should be exempt from minor crimes?

How is $220,000 not cruel and unusual? How did she cost the industry a quarter of a million dollars for a couple dozen songs?

Did you read the article? It stated they were trying to set a precedent. By giving this woman such a high penalty for something many people wrongly regard as trivial and meaningless it not only helps to deter future people from committing said crime but sets an adequate penalty for when they do. It shows that there is zero tolerance for this kind of thing. If she had been given a low fine, merely the price it would have cost to download the tracks legally, then nobody would have taken notice, and piracy would go about it's business in much the same way.

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#31 GarchomPro
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Are they gonna sue everyone who downloads songs? There are hundreds of millions of people who download songs
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#32 lonewolf604
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something like this is hard to comprehend for me, because the techinal always out-weighs the moral
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#33 SilentFireX
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I couldn't care less if she was Mother Teresa. She commited a crime, and that's that. She was aware of the penalties for that (just as everyone is), before she downloaded the songs.

Ironically, she only had 24 songs, which is a surprisingly low number conpared to that of many other people.

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#34 themagicbum9720
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oh well
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#35 SilentFireX
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Illegally downloading songs is no different than if you were to walk into a store, and steal a CD.
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#36 -AK47-
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]Why does the fact that she is a single mum matter? She committed a crime, regardless of whether she has children or not.LukeAF24

Bingo. If she was a single mother of 4 kids, working 3 jobs to survive, and committed 1st degree murder, would you still let her off the hook? A crime is a crime no matter who it is.

pirating 22 songs is different than murdering someone.

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Illegally downloading songs is no different than if you were to walk into a store, and steal a CD.SilentFireX

Apparently it is, because no shoplifter has been fined $222,000 for a few CDs.

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#38 foxhound_fox
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I (heart) Canada. I find it funny how they fine so much for songs worth so little.
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#39 Brainkiller05
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Actually thinking about it... my sister downloads crazy amounts of stuff from limewire... hella lot, i always have to go in and tell her to get off it so i can play css. If someone by chance comes across us with me @ 10gb of music and god knows how much my sister has :shock: that's a lot of money...

I know there are probably people with 1000000s of downloaded songs on different hard drives they've had over the years and such but that doesn't mean anything, this woman had 22 songs so just because i have a lot less than the guy across the road doesn't mean I'm safe from a crazy fine.

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#40 longhorn7
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Illegally downloading songs is no different than if you were to walk into a store, and steal a CD.SilentFireX
yet if you get caught stealing a cd, you dont have to pay 220,000 dollars for it. and she had around a cd's worth of songs.
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#41 Bourbons3
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You shouldn't be exempt from the law just because you are a single mother.
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#42 SilentFireX
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[QUOTE="SilentFireX"]Illegally downloading songs is no different than if you were to walk into a store, and steal a CD.Engrish_Major

Apparently it is, because no shoplifter has been fined $222,000 for a few CDs.

Well..tell me, how many CD's you'd have to steal to get 10k songs. She also redistributed them online.

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]Why does the fact that she is a single mum matter? She committed a crime, regardless of whether she has children or not.LukeAF24

Bingo. If she was a single mother of 4 kids, working 3 jobs to survive, and committed 1st degree murder, would you still let her off the hook? A crime is a crime no matter who it is.

We went from stealing music to murder.... WTF??
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#44 -AK47-
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How in the hell is that women gonna pay that. Don't the companies know she can't pay it. How would they get the money from her if hse has nothing?
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[QUOTE="SilentFireX"]Illegally downloading songs is no different than if you were to walk into a store, and steal a CD.longhorn7
yet if you get caught stealing a cd, you dont have to pay 220,000 dollars for it. and she had around a cd's worth of songs.

Supposedly, she was only charged on those 24 songs, but in reality she had pirated, and shared over 10,000.

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#46 longhorn7
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Actually thinking about it... my sister downloads crazy amounts of stuff from limewire... hella lot, i always have to go in and tell her to get off it so i can play css. If someone by chance comes across us with me @ 10gb of music and god knows how much my sister has :shock: that's a lot of money...

I know there are probably people with 1000000s of downloaded songs on different hard drives they've had over the years and such but that doesn't mean anything, this woman had 22 songs so just because i have a lot less than the guy across the road doesn't mean I'm safe from a crazy fine.

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yeah but it is absurd they would go after someone with such a sall amount.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="southy787"][QUOTE="Selrath"]

Killing a person and listening to some songs isn't the same. :|

southy787

So you're saying that single moms should be exempt from minor crimes?

How is $220,000 not cruel and unusual? How did she cost the industry a quarter of a million dollars for a couple dozen songs?

Did you read the article? It stated they were trying to set a precedent. By giving this woman such a high penalty for something many people wrongly regard as trivial and meaningless it not only helps to deter future people from committing said crime but sets an adequate penalty for when they do. It shows that there is zero tolerance for this kind of thing. If she had been given a low fine, merely the price it would have cost to download the tracks legally, then nobody would have taken notice, and piracy would go about it's business in much the same way.

So we're turning into the Roman Empire now?

"You committed a small crime, but there are others that do the same crime to a much higher degree, so we're going to use you as an example." This woman really didn't commit a crime worthy of $220,000. If they're going to fine someone $220,000 it sure as hell'd better be someone who deserves it. Someone who actually pirates thousands of songs.

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#48 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="longhorn7"][QUOTE="SilentFireX"]Illegally downloading songs is no different than if you were to walk into a store, and steal a CD.SilentFireX

yet if you get caught stealing a cd, you dont have to pay 220,000 dollars for it. and she had around a cd's worth of songs.

Supposedly, she was only charged on those 24 songs, but in reality she had pirated, and shared over 10,000.

So the crime someone is actually charged for is irrelevant, and people should be punished for alleged crime?

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#49 mike7677
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that's ridiculous, they ignore the people who've downloaded thousands of songs, and go after someone with only 24?sens_rocks_40


They caught her dead to rights with 24.  The actual number they alleged she did was 1702.
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#50 zepman71
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A bit OTT if you ask me...