So how will CERN LHC experiment gonna serve humanity?

i mean, what's the 'practical' positives of doing this LHC experiment?

p.s. i've heard a lot of people warning of the negatives, but what's the positives? something practical that could say advance science to better serve humanity /etc..?

To find the darkest mater wich everything is made of... btw like 12 magnets have been overheated so they might shutdown the project for todayCrazyFox_444

and what's the use of finding the darkest matter? i'm asking cause someone just asked me.. & i didn't know the answer

this directly relates to how people view new technology:

You would make a ship sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? Excuse me, I have no time to listen to such nonsense.Napoleon

There is no practical use that I know of after reading about it.

The thing the scientists are using as a reason is just to know or curiosity.

I'm not kidding either lol.

Nope but it can make a blackhole wich consumes the earth =DCrazyFox_444

Nonsense. Media hype has completely misconstrued it. It CANNOT create a blackhole which could destroy the Earth. Hypothetically speaking, even if a black hole was created (which isn't possible) the containment field would stop it expanding anyway.

i mean, what's the 'practical' positives of doing this LHC experiment?

p.s. i've heard a lot of people warning of the negatives, but what's the positives? something practical that could say advance science to better serve humanity /etc..?

Mystery_Writer

I don't agree with the Big Bang theory at all, but one of the positives would be to supposedly explain how it all happened. One of the specific goals is to understand properly how energy can be converted into matter.

[QUOTE="CrazyFox_444"]Nope but it can make a blackhole wich consumes the earth =DLansdowne5

Nonsense. Media hype has completely misconstrued it. It CANNOT create a blackhole which could destroy the Earth. Hypothetically speaking, even if a black hole was created (which isn't possible) the containment field would stop it expanding anyway.

But blackholes are created in space...so it is possible. Maybe on a much smaller scale, but it has to be possible.

they would be microscopical blackholes but as we all know blackholes expand

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="CrazyFox_444"]Nope but it can make a blackhole wich consumes the earth =DGrindingAxe

Nonsense. Media hype has completely misconstrued it. It CANNOT create a blackhole which could destroy the Earth. Hypothetically speaking, even if a black hole was created (which isn't possible) the containment field would stop it expanding anyway.

But blackholes are created in space...so it is possible. Maybe on a much smaller scale, but it has to be possible.

Yes, OK, possible, but on a such a small scale that it would be as if it never existed.

they would be microscopical blackholes but as we all know blackholes expand

CrazyFox_444

But the containment field would stop it expanding.

There is no practical use that I know of after reading about it.

The thing the scientists are using as a reason is just to know or curiosity.

I'm not kidding either lol.

Chutebox

what's sad is, is how much they spent on it...$10 billion to see anti-matter, and they can be like "hey, we told ya so"...and then hopefully the higgs boson makes an appearance, so they can say "hey, that's the smallest particle of life". Then the world will keep on turning like it always has.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

There is no practical use that I know of after reading about it.

The thing the scientists are using as a reason is just to know or curiosity.

I'm not kidding either lol.

johnnyv2003

what's sad is, is how much they spent on it...$10 billion to see anti-matter, and they can be like "hey, we told ya so"...and then hopefully the higgs boson makes an appearance, so they can say "hey, that's the smallest particle of life". Then the world will keep on turning like it always has.

Yup, it's a complete waste.

[QUOTE="CrazyFox_444"]

they would be microscopical blackholes but as we all know blackholes expand

Lansdowne5

But the containment field would stop it expanding.

Yeah well, that's what Doc Ock said in Spiderman 2 and look what happened!

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="CrazyFox_444"]

they would be microscopical blackholes but as we all know blackholes expand

angryguywalking

But the containment field would stop it expanding.

Yeah well, that's what Doc Ock said in Spiderman 2 and look what happened!

they'll just have to drown it

they would be microscopical blackholes but as we all know blackholes expand

CrazyFox_444

There is no practical use that I know of after reading about it.

The thing the scientists are using as a reason is just to know or curiosity.

I'm not kidding either lol.

Chutebox

There is no practical use that I know of after reading about it.

The thing the scientists are using as a reason is just to know or curiosity.

I'm not kidding either lol.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="CrazyFox_444"]Nope but it can make a blackhole wich consumes the earth =DGrindingAxe

Nonsense. Media hype has completely misconstrued it. It CANNOT create a blackhole which could destroy the Earth. Hypothetically speaking, even if a black hole was created (which isn't possible) the containment field would stop it expanding anyway.

But blackholes are created in space...so it is possible. Maybe on a much smaller scale, but it has to be possible.

First off, this thing will be able to test some stuff that we haven't before, such as looking for the Higgs Boson. Basically, through all this testing we'll be able to discover new physics and rewrite some old theories. There's a list on Wikipedia of some of the main things they want to test, if you're interested. If you think that's stupid, then you're not realizing what you get out of it as a side effect. Stuff like computers and cell phones are the results of physicists work.

Second, the LHC doesn't have enough power to sustain a black hole. Even if a black hole was created (which is VERY unlikely) as a result of a collision, it would be microscopic and eventually disappear. This is due to Hawking Radiation, which is a type of radiation emitted from black holes. The smaller the black hole, the more the radiation is released. The more that's released, the more mass that is lost. As a result, the black hole couldn't take in enough matter to compensate for it, and in about 2 picoseconds (I think) it would disappear completely.

The media just likes something to report on; I'm surprised this wasn't just Fox news that reported it.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="CrazyFox_444"]Nope but it can make a blackhole wich consumes the earth =DGrindingAxe

Nonsense. Media hype has completely misconstrued it. It CANNOT create a blackhole which could destroy the Earth. Hypothetically speaking, even if a black hole was created (which isn't possible) the containment field would stop it expanding anyway.

But blackholes are created in space...so it is possible. Maybe on a much smaller scale, but it has to be possible.

[QUOTE="johnnyv2003"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

There is no practical use that I know of after reading about it.

The thing the scientists are using as a reason is just to know or curiosity.

I'm not kidding either lol.

Chutebox

what's sad is, is how much they spent on it...$10 billion to see anti-matter, and they can be like "hey, we told ya so"...and then hopefully the higgs boson makes an appearance, so they can say "hey, that's the smallest particle of life". Then the world will keep on turning like it always has.

Yup, it's a complete waste.

They are taking the smallest particles that make up an atom and crashing them into eachother. What this does is replicate what supposedly happened during the big bang and time periods way before the big bang. My opinion is once they do all this and crash all these things together and lets say they do find out what happened back at the time. There are still going to million of unanswered questions, like how did those particles even get there to begin with? It just an endless domino effect of questions.

well from my understanding it will help complete the standard model for atoms, the nature of sub, sub atomic particles, anti-matter and will also help us understand photons, which have wave and particle properties but have no mass.

This will all lead to advances in technology and possibly radical new technolgies and maybe even improved spave travel ( eventually)

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

i mean, what's the 'practical' positives of doing this LHC experiment?

p.s. i've heard a lot of people warning of the negatives, but what's the positives? something practical that could say advance science to better serve humanity /etc..?

Lansdowne5

I don't agree with the Big Bang theory at all, but one of the positives would be to supposedly explain how it all happened. One of the specific goals is to understand properly how energy can be converted into matter.

i guess that could lead to replicators and such

i was thinking that future experiments after the big bang one might be able to look into worm holes

If any of you had a tiny bit of knowledge in regards to physics and this planets history/evolution you woukd know that the experiment happening today is probaly the most important and exciting to ever happen. The results are endless with possibility! I agree it could end up a waste of time but it is not very likely... heres hopin:)

It's kept a load of people in jobs. They will make up all kinds of results but there is a chance their fail will become public. It won't destroy the world, it will fail at even doing that. It'll probably melt in places and brake down more then a Robin Reliant.

[QUOTE="CrazyFox_444"]Nope but it can make a blackhole wich consumes the earth =DLansdowne5

Nonsense. Media hype has completely misconstrued it. It CANNOT create a blackhole which could destroy the Earth. Hypothetically speaking, even if a black hole was created (which isn't possible) the containment field would stop it expanding anyway.

There is a rule in physics that says that the smaller the black hole, the quicker the evaporation. For an LHC-style black hole, estimated to be only a billionth of a billionth of a meter across (an atto-meter) the black hole would exist for a bit more than a few billion-billion-billionths of a second. It wouldn't be around long enough to swallow any nearby matter and would pose no danger to ordinary matter.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=7362

It's kept a load of people in jobs. They will make up all kinds of results but there is a chance their fail will become public. It won't destroy the world, it will fail at even doing that. It'll probably melt in places and brake down more then a Robin Reliant.

TristanShand

That's a positive outlook LOL you know these scientists deserve more support and respect. If it wasn't for people like them the human race would have acomplished nothing, they dedicate their lives to science in order to explain explore and invent so that we can have easier lives. Without these people we would never have had many of the luxuries we take for granted today. Stop putting this experiment down you owe these types of people the life you lead now. Imagine if Christopher Columbus, einstein, newton, hawking even bill gates for that matter had the same attitude as you?

[QUOTE="TristanShand"]

It's kept a load of people in jobs. They will make up all kinds of results but there is a chance their fail will become public. It won't destroy the world, it will fail at even doing that. It'll probably melt in places and brake down more then a Robin Reliant.

daftdog

That's a positive outlook LOL you know these scientists deserve more support and respect. If it wasn't for people like them the human race would have acomplished nothing, they dedicate their lives to science in order to explain explore and invent so that we can have easier lives. Without these people we would never have had many of the luxuries we take for granted today. Stop putting this experiment down you owe these types of people the life you lead now. Imagine if Christopher Columbus, einstein, newton, hawking even bill gates for that matter had the same attitude as you?

I'd much rather be pillaging and looting Denmark while wearing studded leather and duel wielding broadswords, personally. But well, I gotta take life for what it is.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="CrazyFox_444"]Nope but it can make a blackhole wich consumes the earth =DX4D

Nonsense. Media hype has completely misconstrued it. It CANNOT create a blackhole which could destroy the Earth. Hypothetically speaking, even if a black hole was created (which isn't possible) the containment field would stop it expanding anyway.

There is a rule in physics that says that the smaller the black hole, the quicker the evaporation. For an LHC-style black hole, estimated to be only a billionth of a billionth of a meter across (an atto-meter) the black hole would exist for a bit more than a few billion-billion-billionths of a second. It wouldn't be around long enough to swallow any nearby matter and would pose no danger to ordinary matter.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=7362

Exactly.

what were the practical positives of going to the moon?comp_atkins

it all depends on your definition of 'practicality'. Going to the moon was cool, the LHC is really cool but that doesn't mean I can't deem it as a waste of resources compared to the other problems of the world. Of course there's definitely even worse wastes of time out there that's sucking up funds. The LHC is just one of the more popular, and explosive ones.

what were the practical positives of going to the moon?comp_atkins

i mean, what's the 'practical' positives of doing this LHC experiment?

p.s. i've heard a lot of people warning of the negatives, but what's the positives? something practical that could say advance science to better serve humanity /etc..?

Mystery_Writer

Its simple - to expand our discovery, to leap Human's understaning on the Universe that still has unimaginable things to discover. The thing is, non-physicists will defenitely find it hard to understand the details of the experiment but one thing we can undertand though that its a progress and thats the basic idea out of it.

Damn, these people saying it's pointless annoy me. This is basic research to understand dark matter, antimatter, particle physics, and other things.

The applied research- the practical applications- come after we have a strong grasp on what we learn here. That's how science works.

Bio_Spark

yeah but what possible benefits does this have on humanity? All i hear is "well it will help discover new matter or how the universe was formed"...okay, and? Yeah it be interesting to know how this stuff works and all, but other then ending up being homework questions for kids in psychics class in the next few years, what will it produce that can then used to be beneficial, or at least worth the 9 billion spent (which could have gone elsewhere)? Once I hear a good reason why, then maybe Ill be for it.

[QUOTE="Bio_Spark"]

Damn, these people saying it's pointless annoy me. This is basic research to understand dark matter, antimatter, particle physics, and other things.

The applied research- the practical applications- come after we have a strong grasp on what we learn here. That's how science works.

SaintLeonidas

yeah but what possible benefits does this have on humanity? All i hear is "well it will help discover new matter or how the universe was formed"...okay, and? Yeah it be interesting to know how this stuff works and all, but other then ending up being homework questions for kids in psychics class in the next few years, what will it produce that can then used to be beneficial, or at least worth the 9 billion spent (which could have gone elsewhere)? Once I hear a good reason why, then maybe Ill be for it.

One of the experiments they will be trying is related to a biological imaging system that can be used to detect cancers. Is that a good enough reason for you?

Considering what we might learn from it, the price is a bargin. I think the 2012 Olypmics has over twice that budget. And I'm really dissapointed at how many people think this is pointless and that there are better things to spend the money on. deshields538

So finding this out, so that a few physicists can go "now that's how it works" and a textbook can be rewritten, is more important then environmental problems, medicine,robotics, new resources and on and on.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="Bio_Spark"]

Damn, these people saying it's pointless annoy me. This is basic research to understand dark matter, antimatter, particle physics, and other things.

The applied research- the practical applications- come after we have a strong grasp on what we learn here. That's how science works.

Bio_Spark

yeah but what possible benefits does this have on humanity? All i hear is "well it will help discover new matter or how the universe was formed"...okay, and? Yeah it be interesting to know how this stuff works and all, but other then ending up being homework questions for kids in psychics class in the next few years, what will it produce that can then used to be beneficial, or at least worth the 9 billion spent (which could have gone elsewhere)? Once I hear a good reason why, then maybe Ill be for it.

Again, we won't know until we study it thoroughly. We didn't just start experimenting with electricity one day and decide "this is going to be awesome and benefit humanity immeasurably." Scientists were just focusing on understanding it's properties and how to manipulate it before we can use it help people.

edit: and adfaadfa2003 made the same example. Awesome.

Spooky!

Im going to be honest and say I think I actually got that example from the BBC News, I should be ashamed! :P

I thought of something different, experimenting into quantum physics lead to the computer, again, that wasnt predictable. And research into Quinine lead to the first ever purple dye :P.