Then doctors have a test to see if you're gay right? Because if it isn't a choice and we know that it's caused by something physical we should be able to test someone.
Meh I say its learned but if it is genetic then yeah dr's should be able to find a gay causing gene like they can find a cancer causing gene, not that im calling homosexuality a cancer.:?
Well, I suppose that testing for gayness could be possible eventually, but something unconsidered here is that even if homosexuality weren't genetic, that doesn't necessarily mean it would be a choice.
gayness is not genetic because gays dont reproducemig_killer2
What a fine understanding of genetics you have, mah boii.
In any event, Lilac brings up a nice point. As a hetero, I have great difficulty picturing myself choosing to go be a homo much like they probably have difficulty seeing themselves behaving as a hetero.
It's not a choice. Can you choose NOT to be attracted to girls? Go ahead and try it. No, you can't.
And if it was a choice, why would anyone choose to outcast, and humiliated by society? What about people who get disowned by their own family for being gay Why would anyone choose that?
Interesting question, but I think at this point its more of a simple logical deduction that homosexuality is genetic, or atleast physical (not learned). As far as I know, geneticists haven't been able to pinpoint exactly what genes in conjuction with other genes and possible environmental factors are ultimatley responsible.
Yes, despite what many fundies spouting "the genome project is over and they never found the gay gene so i must be a choice" might think, no scientist was ever expecting there to be just a single gay gene" that would jump up and announce itself to be the one and only cause. Mapping out the human genome does not mean finding out which combinations cause every tiny little phenotype possible in our vast species. I'm no expert but I've done a tiny bit of provisional research which is more than most fundy homophobes can say at least.
Just out of curiosity, are you gay or straight, and as a percentage how much do you tolerate homosexuality?
im straight, never ask me that again.:evil: and my percentage is
I fully expected you to be offended by my question.
Anyone who believes homosexuality is a choice cannot be completely heterosexual themselves. Because the only way a person can conclude an answer is by searching within themselves, and a truly heterosexual person will know that there is no choice. However many immature homosexual and bisexual people who repress their sexuality use homophobia as a social defence mechanism.
It's definitely not a choice. Do you think there is a chance that it's sort of unexplainable. If you talk to even a couple gay people then you'd realize that they have had that attraction to the same sex for as long as they can remember and it was normal for them from the begining. The reason that it's not tested for is because it's not really a big deal.
It's most likely polygenetic. There's probably no specific gay gene. But it's obviously not just a choice. I'm sure there are some environmental features that may influence someone, but genetics plays a big role.
It's not a choice. Can you choose NOT to be attracted to girls? Go ahead and try it. No, you can't.
And if it was a choice, why would anyone choose to outcast, and humiliated by society? What about people who get disowned by their own family for being gay Why would anyone choose that?
i see i should delete my comment because I didnt understand this thread or being mis understood.
[QUOTE="muppet1010"]not necessarily... it can be "genetic" but children raised by a gay couple probably ahve an increaded chance of growing up to be gay no?Sim_genius
That is the most ridiculous argument I've ever read.
its not an arguement... thats why I ended it in a question mark!!!!
I guessi was hintinga t teh nature vs nurture arguement ... it depends on how you are brought up, the majority are brought up in a society where like it or not "gays" are viewed somewhat negatively and I have no doubt that that influences peoples chocies in life. And so is it too implausable to think someone raised in an environment where being gay is openly accepted or infact encouraged would have no bearing on them? obviously it itsnt that implausable!!!!
In an overpopulated environment it makes perfect evolutionary sense for life to find love in a way that doesn't lead to reproduction. You might find it interesting to note that homosexuality occurs in any animal life that experiences overcrowding.
Therefore if homosexuality is a birth defect then so is Caucasian skin; a simple adaption to our environment.
[QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]gayness is not genetic because gays dont reproduceBlandassname
Another good point. This whole debate is pointless.Congratulations on not understanding the basic principles of heredity. You're both winner. They are capable but who are they going to reproduce with? They are gay :roll:
[QUOTE="Blandassname"][QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]gayness is not genetic because gays dont reproduceXFull_MetalX
Another good point. This whole debate is pointless.Congratulations on not understanding the basic principles of heredity. You're both winner. They are capable but who are they going to reproduce with? They are gay :roll:
Did you ever take genetics? Ever? Because you don't know how dominant and recessive genes are passed down obviously.
[QUOTE="Blandassname"][QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]gayness is not genetic because gays dont reproduceXFull_MetalX
Another good point. This whole debate is pointless.Congratulations on not understanding the basic principles of heredity. You're both winner. They are capable but who are they going to reproduce with? They are gay :roll:... are you serious? Are you honestly saying that crap?
People who say its a choice are not basing that assertion on any logic or fact. They simply NEED it to be a choice in order to avoid sounding pro-eugenics, meaning the fact that it was genetic wouldn't make them approve of it; if anything they'd probably use the old "they can just be celibate" cop-out.
But that aside, the ethical question of whether or not its a choice is ultimately irrelevant. Do we only "tolerate" being black because the person can't help it? On the other hand, is it OK to kill someone if you're genetically predisposed to violence. No and no. This is not an issue of whether it can be "helped". It's an issue of basic civil liberty to do what you want with your own body or any number of consenting adults. That's the part that people on both sides often overlook. As long as your private sexual preferences and activities are not infringing on anyone else's rights, nobody can rightly object (and no, being open, honest and proud of one's homosexuality does not count as "infringing on anyone's rights").
wow! alot of people here dont know anything about genetics, no wonder they think being gay is just a choice. hmmm I think ill be gay tomorrowchat2
well it could be a choice.. i could declare i fancy a boy at school tomorrow and i would be called gay for teh rest of my school life... but i understand what you mean completely... It would be forced and I wouldnt naturally fancy any boys... cause i find myslef looking at hot girls and asying id like to hit that but i never get that feeling looking at boys....
[QUOTE="Sim_genius"][QUOTE="muppet1010"]not necessarily... it can be "genetic" but children raised by a gay couple probably ahve an increaded chance of growing up to be gay no?muppet1010
That is the most ridiculous argument I've ever read.
its not an arguement... thats why I ended it in a question mark!!!!
I guessi was hintinga t teh nature vs nurture arguement ... it depends on how you are brought up, the majority are brought up in a society where like it or not "gays" are viewed somewhat negatively and I have no doubt that that influences peoples chocies in life. And so is it too implausable to think someone raised in an environment where being gay is openly accepted or infact encouraged would have no bearing on them? obviously it itsnt that implausable!!!!
It's an interesting and somewhat logical way of looking at it, but there doesn't seem to be anything to suggest that, that is the case. The truth is the environmental triggers (if any) are ill understood. It seems equally plausible that someone could become gay in a soceity that over-stresses masculine roles.
In an overpopulated environment it makes perfect evolutionary sense for life to find love in a way that doesn't lead to reproduction. You might find it interesting to note that homosexuality occurs in any animal life that experiences overcrowding.
Therefore if homosexuality is a birth defect then so is Caucasian skin; a simple adaption to our environment.
I have yet to see an adaptation that is meant to lower the amount of its own species. and there is already a way that us humans lower our own numbers. Murder, war etc...
In an overpopulated environment it makes perfect evolutionary sense for life to find love in a way that doesn't lead to reproduction. You might find it interesting to note that homosexuality occurs in any animal life that experiences overcrowding.
Therefore if homosexuality is a birth defect then so is Caucasian skin; a simple adaption to our environment.
I have yet to see an adaptation that is meant to lower the amount of its own species. and there is already a way that us humans lower our own numbers. Murder, war etc...
Would you rather live in a society with murder and war, or a society with homosexuals who do not reproduce? I have yet to meet an aggressive homosexual person.
I'd have to say that it's genetic.Such as in clubs when im having a night out withthe lads, if we haven't managed to find a female partner, we'd usually dance together - the old bump and grind routine - just for fun. I don't find it sexually arousing in the least andI do it because im comfortable with my sexuality. I could choose to be gay as much as I could choose to have webbed hands and feet.
I suggest we don't care, and rather live on with our lives. Seems to me that the only people who REALLY care are homophobes.
Did anyone see the show where a couple raised one son with colorful toys, dolls, etc, and the other with guns, G.I. Joes and such? Interesting to see how feminine the son with the girl-ish toys became. On the other hand, you can be feminine without being gay...
Studies have leaned toward it being genetic, but there's one problem with that: if you make it fact that it's genetic, a-holes like the head of the Methodist Church or Rick Santorum are gonna try and find a "cure" for it, as if it's a disease. Let's give it some ambiguity so we don't have something as awful and Hitler-esque as that happen.
First of all, bypassing censors by using @ symbols etc. is against Gamespot's term of use statement, even if it is idiotic that it censors gay
Secondly, even if it is "genetic", there are only genes that would influence such behavior. It's not as easy as saying you have this gene segment here so you're gay It could, though, be proven that certain genes would influence you and make you more likely to be homosexual if they are present, just as certain genes promote alcoholism etc.
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