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#1 Zap-O-Matic
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Could someone explain to me,what

Charcoal Pencils
and
Graphic Pencils
Do,Thanks :)


and you can, post some of your own art on here if you'd like
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#2 LA_lakers_4life
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and pens for inking like comic book style.....thanks :)
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they're different types mediums. charcoal is more chalky and easier is smear. graphic is medium you use everyday. you can get finer lines than charcoal.
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#5 Zap-O-Matic
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cause im debating on what to buy, i have $50 and 10 is going to Shaun of the Dead (DVD) Heres a link for the stuff  Click Here, Art Supplies 
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#6 ayanami_rei
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Well, charcoal pencil are sometimes used for black/white pictures (at least, that's what my art teacher told me.) They smear a lot than graphic pencils and there are different shades of graphic pencils that you can use. Graphic pencils go from lightest to darkest. The charcoal pencils, you have to press down to get the darkest the shadow and go a little light for the lightest, while smearing (sort of like evening out and blending the colors together) it.
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Anybody??? and At RpG-er check the link out and tell me what, i should buy im trying to somewhat draw like this
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Anybody??? and At RpG-er check the link out and tell me what, i should buy im trying to somewhat draw like this  Zap-O-Matic
water color is pretty good for that
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cause im debating on what to buy, i have $50 and 10 is going to Shaun of the Dead (DVD) Heres a link for the stuff Click Here, Art SuppliesZap-O-Matic
it's better to buy from an art store. that way you don't have to pay for s&h
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#11 mish55
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charcoal is really good for dark drawing and shading, but its really messy

graphite is good for sketching

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[QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"]cause im debating on what to buy, i have $50 and 10 is going to Shaun of the Dead (DVD) Heres a link for the stuff Click Here, Art SuppliesRPG-er
it's better to buy from an art store. that way you don't have to pay for s&h

well, i dont think ill buy exactly from there thats, just an example (to show you what im asking)(
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[QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"]Anybody??? and At RpG-er check the link out and tell me what, i should buy im trying to somewhat draw like this  mish55
water color is pretty good for that

Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck at
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[QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"]Anybody??? and At RpG-er check the link out and tell me what, i should buy im trying to somewhat draw like this

that's digital art.
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#15 LA_lakers_4life
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what kind of pen is good (like doesnt bleed into the paper) for inking like this
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I used to be intro drawing, I was damn good...time's changed.
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#17 Zap-O-Matic
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Really? Like im saying, if you take out the color, and keep that drawing but have it darkened lines
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[QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"] Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck at

I really suck at it too. :P That's why I stick with black/white pictures.
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[QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"] Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck at

I really suck at it too. :P That's why I stick with black/white pictures.

Could you post some of yours?
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[QUOTE="mish55"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"]Anybody??? and At RpG-er check the link out and tell me what, i should buy im trying to somewhat draw like this  Zap-O-Matic
water color is pretty good for that

Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck at

you might want to tryout watercolor pencil. they're like color pencils but the pigment dissolves in water.
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[QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"][QUOTE="mish55"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"]Anybody??? and At RpG-er check the link out and tell me what, i should buy im trying to somewhat draw like this  RPG-er
water color is pretty good for that

Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck at

you might want to tryout watercolor pencil. they're like color pencils but the pigment dissolves in water.

:o hmmm
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Really? Like im saying, if you take out the color, and keep that drawing but have it darkened linesZap-O-Matic
soft graphite pencils can get really dark. but that's a final project, so it's been inked.
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[QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"] Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck atZap-O-Matic
I really suck at it too. :P That's why I stick with black/white pictures.

Could you post some of yours?

Yeah. I'll show you the rose I drew that I might enter in the art show my art teacher told me about. I still don't know if I am though. I might. I also need to finish my partner drawing, which I will take home tomorrow and take pictures of the progress I have so far in it. [spoiler] Rose [/spoiler]
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what kind of pen is good (like doesnt bleed into the paper) for inking like this  LA_lakers_4life
all ink bleeds. it's what kinda of paper you use. while using ink, you want to use thicker paper.
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[QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"][QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"] Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck atayanami_rei
I really suck at it too. :P That's why I stick with black/white pictures.

Could you post some of yours?

Yeah. I'll show you the rose I drew that I might enter in the art show my art teacher told me about. I still don't know if I am though. I might. I also need to finish my partner drawing, which I will take home tomorrow and take pictures of the progress I have so far in it. [spoiler] Rose [/spoiler]

it's reall nice :) you shoulda let the ''leaves'' uncolored
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I'm actually going to pick up a tablet soon. I've heard some pretty good stuff about them.

I sketch and stuff sometimes, just a regular #2 pencil. But, as usual, the pictures are sub par.

I've tried drawing with charcoal, but I think its a bit messy. But that was the first time I used it, so I probably didn't know any of the tricks to draw with it.

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[QUOTE="mish55"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"]Anybody??? and At RpG-er check the link out and tell me what, i should buy im trying to somewhat draw like this  Zap-O-Matic
water color is pretty good for that

Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck at

well, if your good enough you could use colored pencils

prismacolor is  a great brand of pencils

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#28 Zap-O-Matic
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in my spare time last nite, i drew a Phsyclock (xmen i think) Drawing, ill post later, i drew it with just a .7mm lead pencil
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[QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"][QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"] Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck atZap-O-Matic
I really suck at it too. :P That's why I stick with black/white pictures.

Could you post some of yours?

Yeah. I'll show you the rose I drew that I might enter in the art show my art teacher told me about. I still don't know if I am though. I might. I also need to finish my partner drawing, which I will take home tomorrow and take pictures of the progress I have so far in it. [spoiler] Rose [/spoiler]

it's reall nice :) you shoulda let the ''leaves'' uncolored

*Shrugs.* It didn't look right when I had the leaves just plain, so I shaded them. It was last summer and all I had was a crappy mechanical pencil. XD
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#30 mish55
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[QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"][QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"] Do you mean''' water color painting?'' thats one thing i reaallllyyy suck atZap-O-Matic
I really suck at it too. :P That's why I stick with black/white pictures.

Could you post some of yours?

Yeah. I'll show you the rose I drew that I might enter in the art show my art teacher told me about. I still don't know if I am though. I might. I also need to finish my partner drawing, which I will take home tomorrow and take pictures of the progress I have so far in it. [spoiler] Rose [/spoiler]

it's reall nice :) you shoulda let the ''leaves'' uncolored

i would show  you my black and white pics.......but i never keep track of them
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[QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]what kind of pen is good (like doesnt bleed into the paper) for inking like this  RPG-er
all ink bleeds. it's what kinda of paper you use. while using ink, you want to use thicker paper.

its a multiuse sketchbook this exact one http://www.norcominc.com/productsdetail06.asp?search=77088 its pretty thick....thicker than the standard printing paper
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#32 ayanami_rei
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I'm actually going to pick up a tablet soon. I've heard some pretty good stuff about them.

I sketch and stuff sometimes, just a regular #2 pencil. But, as usual, the pictures are sub par.

I've tried drawing with charcoal, but I think its a bit messy. But that was the first time I used it, so I probably didn't know any of the tricks to draw with it.

blooddemon666
Kneaded erasers are really useful when working with charcoal pencils. I did used charcoal pencils last year and we drew an apple.
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[QUOTE="RPG-er"][QUOTE="Zap-O-Matic"]cause im debating on what to buy, i have $50 and 10 is going to Shaun of the Dead (DVD) Heres a link for the stuff Click Here, Art SuppliesZap-O-Matic
it's better to buy from an art store. that way you don't have to pay for s&h

well, i dont think ill buy exactly from there thats, just an example (to show you what im asking)(

seeing what you want to do, i would go with graphite. i would get 2b, 4b, 6b, 8b, hb (this is basically a #2 pencil), 2h, 4h, and f.  oh and a kneaded and white vinal easer.  and a mechalic penicl is nice to have.

remember these are just recomendtions.  you dont have to get everything a list.
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I'm actually going to pick up a tablet soon.blooddemon666
*jealous* ill been trying to get a tablet for years.
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[QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]what kind of pen is good (like doesnt bleed into the paper) for inking like this
Microns are really good inking pens. & thick paper helps but microns dont bleed.
& yeah, Zap, I'd stick with graphite pencils for now, but just try out other medians to see what you like best.
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Microns are really good inking pens. & thick paper helps but microns dont bleed.Squidney

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are microns available at michaels and any other art stores? and are they like the standard pigment liner or are they completely different from pigment liners?
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Charcoal is just a cool way of getting a different looking black. It's a different texture, it looks that way, however I don't like it as much. I feel like it's harder to use, would be the maim reason i don't like it.
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Microns are really good inking pens. & thick paper helps but microns dont bleed.LA_lakers_4life

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are microns available at michaels and any other art stores? and are they like the standard pigment liner or are they completely different from pigment liners?


yeah, they are at almost all art stores. & they are just different sized pigment liners.
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[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]I'm actually going to pick up a tablet soon.RPG-er
*jealous* ill been trying to get a tablet for years.

by soon I mean next year so.....
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#40 Zap-O-Matic
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Hmm, if you live in PA Could you name some good stores to check out?(for art supples) and a link if possible