So... Jesus condemned wealth.

I'm going to school to be a minister... So I'm not expecting a large income when I start working full-time. One of my prayers in life is Proverbs 30:7-9, "Two things I ask of you, O LORD; do not refuse me before I die: Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread. Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, 'Who is the LORD ?' Or I may become poor and steal, and so dishonor the name of my God."

Keep in mind that money in and of itself is not wrong... just the obsession over it. The blessed person must be willing to give to God what was originally given (hense the definition of a tithe and offering...)

I'm going to school to be a minister... So I'm not expecting a large income when I start working full-time. One of my prayers in life is Proverbs 30:7-9, "Two things I ask of you, O LORD; do not refuse me before I die: Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread. Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, 'Who is the LORD ?' Or I may become poor and steal, and so dishonor the name of my God."mindstorm

He doesn't condemn the wealthy, just says that you can live a better God fulfilling life not wealthy.123625

My old RE teacher suggested that Jesus was the first communist, which actually sounded pretty convincing at the time. I'm living in a supposedly Catholic country, and it's a huge wind-up to see priests living in virtual mansions and tended to by housekeepers because they are so far beyond earthly life, while beggars starve on the steps of the church.jimmyjammer69

No Jesus was not a communist. Communism takes your money away from you at the point of a gun. Jesus encouraged people to help the poor - but he left the decision up to them. If they chose not to help the poor, he didn't get the government to force them to.

[QUOTE="123625"]He doesn't condemn the wealthy, just says that you can live a better God fulfilling life not wealthy.FuriousGeorge08

I'd argue it more of an underserving wealth. He was a carpenter, I doubt he gave away tables for free. And if he did, what a terrible business man and he should just stick to this "saving people" business I hear so much about.

Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Oh and you're also supposed to stab out your eye if you ever look at a women in a lustful way.

Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.bean-with-bacon

(I'm kidding btw)

Oh and you're also supposed to stab out your eye if you ever look at a women in a lustful way.bean-with-bacon

[QUOTE="FuriousGeorge08"][QUOTE="123625"]He doesn't condemn the wealthy, just says that you can live a better God fulfilling life not wealthy.mindstorm

[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"]Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.mindstorm

(I'm kidding btw)

I'm not at all knowledgeable on the Bible, but for some reason I always imagined a change in attitude towards money between the Old and New Testaments. Am I way off the mark?jimmyjammer69

Keep in mind that my reasoning is in part because I do not separate the Old and New Testaments all that much. And too, I agree a wealthy person should be willing to give away his possessions for Christ. American culture's view of wealth and obsession over it I do believe is unbiblical as well.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I'm not at all knowledgeable on the Bible, but for some reason I always imagined a change in attitude towards money between the Old and New Testaments. Am I way off the mark?mindstorm

Keep in mind that my reasoning is in part because I do not separate the Old and New Testaments all that much. And too, I agree a wealthy person should be willing to give away his possessions for Christ. American culture's view of wealth and obsession over it I do believe is unbiblical as well.

The wealthy are condemned by early Christianity. It ain't all about wealth, more about the intention behind your actions ( i can't quote the page cus the bible isn't worth my time, but i'm sure you've heard of the episode where the old woman gives a thrupence while the rich guy gives a trillion gazzilion bucks, yet Jesus values the intention behind the old woman more than the rich guy). Obviously, Constantine and the Bible edit focus groups of the Dark Ages worked round this so priests could horde in the dough and get away with loadsa stuff.clembo1990

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]The wealthy are condemned by early Christianity. It ain't all about wealth, more about the intention behind your actions ( i can't quote the page cus the bible isn't worth my time, but i'm sure you've heard of the episode where the old woman gives a thrupence while the rich guy gives a trillion gazzilion bucks, yet Jesus values the intention behind the old woman more than the rich guy). Obviously, Constantine and the Bible edit focus groups of the Dark Ages worked round this so priests could horde in the dough and get away with loadsa stuff.123625

I tend to think of richer capitalists as corrupt - so yes I agree with Jesus, money is the root of all evil.Famiking

Why does the church keep collecting money and has fancy gold goblets to drink from? :o

Why does the church keep collecting money and has fancy gold goblets to drink from? :o

TIME_KILLER

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Why does the church keep collecting money and has fancy gold goblets to drink from? :o

II_Seraphim_II

........where's my damn gold goblet?! :| :P

One thing should be clear to my fellow Christians; Jesus would not be a Limbaugh fan since he regularly boasts of his wealth & profits.

One thing should be clear to my fellow Christians; Jesus would not be a Limbaugh fan since he regularly boasts of his wealth & profits.

LosDaddie

Do you make it a point to bring Rush Limbaugh into every discussion in OT?

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One thing should be clear to my fellow Christians; Jesus would not be a Limbaugh fan since he regularly boasts of his wealth & profits.

Dutch_Mix

Do you make it a point to bring Rush Limbaugh into every discussion in OT?

Did I hurt your feelings?

No Jesus was not a communist. Communism takes your money away from you at the point of a gun. Jesus encouraged people to help the poor - but he left the decision up to them. If they chose not to help the poor, he didn't get the government to force them to.

Born_Lucky

not welth jsut ponyless money spending whilst your brothers and sisters round the world are starving. you supposed to help the needy with your money

not welth jsut ponitless money spending whilst your brothers and sisters round the world are starving. you are supposed to help the needy with your money

azazel_666

I think not another religious topic and goes to sleep zz

What are your thoughts on this? My thoughts are that someone could try to minsinterpret this by adding his words next to Jesus' quotes on wealth; words that are nonexistent in the Bible. FuriousGeorge08

You don't say?

For some reason this thread reminds me of the story of Job.

Jesus never condemned wealth. Only warned that it is rare for us not to be corrupted by it (See 1 Corinthians 1-2). One of the reasons Jesus warns of the love of money corrupting us is that of pride. Whatever we have is given to us by God who is the Owner of all,

14Behold, to the LORD your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens, the earth with all that is in it. -Deut. 10:14-

1 The earth is the LORD's and the fullness thereof,
the world and those who dwell therein. -Psalm 24:1-

Notice in Psalm 24 that God owns everything including us? How is it to be used? Holy Writ states,

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. -Col 1:15-16-

The He in the passage is Jesus Christ. By Christ all things were created. And everything, our money and us, was created for Him.We shouldn't be going around boasting of our money and accomplishments when they are given to us by God. Everything was created for His glory to worship Him. Loving money instead of God insults Him to the core.

Wealth above God = bad.

Wealth in itself = neutral.