So Jesus Set Us Up

So let me get this straight Jesus created us, put us here on earth, then him and god made some sort of deal, so they put Lucifer here to tempt us just to see if we would pass their test? And Christians are okay with this charade?

The Synagogue of Satan

One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet. This evil cabal is few in numbers but, like a deadly octopus, its tentacles reach out to grip and strangle untold multitudes of innocent victims. The initiates of every secret society and internationalist organization, from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuits to the Bilderbergers and the Order of Skull & Bones, obey the dictates of this sinister group and tremble when standing before its leaders.

The cabalist group I refer to is the Synagogue of Satan, an ancient, yet modern, elite so politically powerful and so fabulously wealthy that even past history has been twisted, reshaped, and revised to meet its preferred version of humanity's gloomy, totalitarian future.

Religious in nature, the Synagogue of Satan is, at its essence, a grotesque, satanic cult. It's high council is composed of High Priests of Lucifer; these are men who literally worship death while practicing sexual magick and occult rituals of the blackest nature.

Source

Revelation 2:9

I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but you are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them who say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

From the source himself Lucifer?

you best believe every word in that bible , go to church and worship him because he is your saviour , dec21 is around the corner

you best believe every word in that bible , go to church and worship him because he is your saviour , dec21 is around the cornermariokart64fan

HOW DO YOU STILL EXIST?

He supplied us with a nature which was perfect and a free will, so no I don't feel screwed over by Christ, only screwed over by Adam.

Yeah, thats why i like not having to go to church and you know, anything based around religion at all. Weight off my shoulders :)

you best believe every word in that bible , go to church and worship him because he is your saviour , dec21 is around the corner

mariokart64fan

Yeah, thats why i like not having to go to church and you know, anything based around religion at all. Weight off my shoulders :)

MW2ismygame

Now you can do whatever you want and let your nature dominate you right?

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Yeah, thats why i like not having to go to church and you know, anything based around religion at all. Weight off my shoulders :)

Philokalia

Now you can do whatever you want and let your nature dominate you right?

Since i hardly ever post on this board are you a troll account or serious ? im asking because of your avatar.

So let me get this straight Jesus created us, put us here on earth

-Renegade

eh... God created us and put us here on earth, Jesus is the son of God

Now you can do whatever you want and let your nature dominate you right?Philokalia

Yeah like go to school and learn about things like science and tolerance. Its ok i know the church has not been to big on those kind of things.

Since i hardly ever post on this board are you a troll account or serious ? im asking because of your avatar.

MW2ismygame

Well there is a long tradition of scientific practice by those within the church throughout the centuries. Its amazing to read Saint John Damascene and how concerned he was with the antural world and the science of his time and how the monks of other places also did this. As for tolerance, would you have us tolerate you desecrating the sacrad host? Sure we are intolerant in certain respects but it seems you want to think that this is universal on everything which is not the case.

As for trolling, i didn't know that Saint Basil was a troll, maybe he mentioned that in the introduction to on the holy spirit.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]Now you can do whatever you want and let your nature dominate you right?Zeviander

True freedom lies in not being bound to the nature. Those who reject faith typically do things which their nature wants them to do. Sure there is control but thats only preserve some semblance of order, something which I think is still intact and that is good within the nature. But ultimately you give in to your nature, your innate desires and thus you become enslaved to it. Through Christ we are freed from our nature and we are truely free to become what was intended. You can be enslaved to those innate feelings and desires all you want, but you are not free, you are bound by them as you declare constantly on this board.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

So let me get this straight Jesus created us, put us here on earth

FearMe801

eh... God created us and put us here on earth, Jesus is the son of God

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4In him was life: and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it.

True freedom lies in not being bound to the nature. Those who reject faith typically do things which their nature wants them to do. Sure there is control but thats only preserve some semblance of order, something which I think is still intact and that is good within the nature. But ultimately you give in to your nature, your innate desires and thus you become enslaved to it. Through Christ we are freed from our nature and we are truely free to become what was intended. You can be enslaved to those innate feelings and desires all you want, but you are not free, you are bound by them as you declare constantly on this board.Philokalia

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Yeah like go to school and learn about things like science and tolerance. Its ok i know the church has not been to big on those kind of things.

Since i hardly ever post on this board are you a troll account or serious ? im asking because of your avatar.

Philokalia

Well there is a long tradition of scientific practice by those within the church throughout the centuries. Its amazing to read Saint John Damascene and how concerned he was with the antural world and the science of his time and how the monks of other places also did this.As for tolerance, would you have us tolerate you desecrating the sacrad host? Sure we are intolerant in certain respects but it seems you want to think that this is universal on everything which is not the case.

As for trolling, i didn't know that Saint Basil was a troll, maybe he mentioned that in the introduction to on the holy spirit.

Why would I haveyou tolerate me ? For the sane reason you ask me to tolerate you. You can practice your magic and crap all you want i wont stop you or even pay attention to you. So why should i have to conform to your beliefs if i cant practice my own ? And you say you are intolerant only on certain respects its BS you are intolerant of anything the good book says you cant do. Little hint if this was the 1500's i would have been burned at the stake because i did not share your belief.

There is a massive difference between compulsion to fulfill desire, and acknowledging that the desire exists and being able to indulge it while completely in control. Accepting the existence of a Jewish zombie who is also God, who also killed himself to save us from ourselves, despite designing us to be unlike what he wants us to be, is absolutely ridiculous. We are animals, the product of evolution, and denying what we are is a complete waste of time and countless lives.Zeviander

Not really as you are bound by that desire, you will not refuse that desire. You are in effect a slave to that desire that Biology within you that wants you to do these things, have sex before marriage, immorality if it means you can get up on top and etc. Of course this is just generalisation. But when you compare the ressurection to that of zombies I see in you not an effort to actually discuss freedom, slavery and the like of what it means, but instead just insult. And indeed you are bound to do that by your nature, you cannot resist that temptation to insult others as you see fit and give in to that biology within you. So I could reccomend you read NT wright on the ressurection and then watch a bunch of zombie movies and ask what the difference is but you would probably not bother doing that, probably because you just don't want to see things honestly.

So yeah, you are a slave to that biology, in fact don't most naturalists argue on the basis of this?> That we are not truely free because of those things? In Christ we do things that the natural world does not accept, monasticism, chastity and the like, things which are fundametnally at odds with what society expects. But we do them because we are free in Christ.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] There is a massive difference between compulsion to fulfill desire, and acknowledging that the desire exists and being able to indulge it while completely in control. Accepting the existence of a Jewish zombie who is also God, who also killed himself to save us from ourselves, despite designing us to be unlike what he wants us to be, is absolutely ridiculous. We are animals, the product of evolution, and denying what we are is a complete waste of time and countless lives.Philokalia

Not really as you are bound by that desire, you will not refuse that desire. You are in effect a slave to that desire that Biology within you that wants you to do these things, have sex before marriage, immorality if it means you can get up on top and etc. Of course this is just generalisation. But when you compare the ressurection to that of zombies I see in you not an effort to actually discuss freedom, slavery and the like of what it means, but instead just insult. And indeed you are bound to do that by your nature, you cannot resist that temptation to insult others as you see fit and give in to that biology within you. So I could reccomend you read NT wright on the ressurection and then watch a bunch of zombie movies and ask what the difference is but you would probably not bother doing that, probably because you just don't want to see things honestly.

So yeah, you are a slave to that biology, in fact don't most naturalists argue on the basis of this?> That we are not truely free because of those things? In Christ we do things that the natural world does not accept, monasticism, chastity and the like, things which are fundametnally at odds with what society expects. But we do them because we are free in Christ.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="MW2ismygame"]

Yeah like go to school and learn about things like science and tolerance. Its ok i know the church has not been to big on those kind of things.

Since i hardly ever post on this board are you a troll account or serious ? im asking because of your avatar.

MW2ismygame

Well there is a long tradition of scientific practice by those within the church throughout the centuries. Its amazing to read Saint John Damascene and how concerned he was with the antural world and the science of his time and how the monks of other places also did this.As for tolerance, would you have us tolerate you desecrating the sacrad host? Sure we are intolerant in certain respects but it seems you want to think that this is universal on everything which is not the case.

As for trolling, i didn't know that Saint Basil was a troll, maybe he mentioned that in the introduction to on the holy spirit.

Why would I haveyou tolerate me ? For the sane reason you ask me to tolerate you. You can practice your magic and crap all you want i wont stop you or even pay attention to you. So why should i have to conform to your beliefs if i cant practice my own ? And you say you are intolerant only on certain respects its BS you are intolerant of anything the good book says you cant do. Little hint if this was the 1500's i would have been burned at the stake because i did not share your belief.

Oh jeeze, MY EYES!!!! WTF colors did you use!! I can't see!

Yes its truethe monks of the medieval era were the scholars of the modern world and keepers of knowledge. Do you want to know why ? Because the church lead to the dark ages. And when the dark ages were over they still repressed science even to this day.

Why would I haveyou tolerate me ? For the sane reason you ask me to tolerate you. You can practice your magic and crap all you want i wont stop you or even pay attention to you. So why should i have to conform to your beliefs if i cant practice my own ? And you say you are intolerant only on certain respects its BS you are intolerant of anything the good book says you cant do. Little hint if this was the 1500's i would have been burned at the stake because i did not share your belief.

MW2ismygame

Actually the vacume of power lead to the dark ages which was filled by the pope and I think considering all the hardships medievil europe went through they did a good job with what they had. But the dark ages were not so dark. So give an example of active repression of science within the medievil age. Sure you will go to galileo and completely miss the point that it was rather because Galileo insulted the pope that he was put under house arrest for the rest of his life. You can do that but you won't find this mythology which Dan brown produces of an active effort on part of the church to stop natural science on a wholescale level. Its a total myth. But your welcome to try and rpove the untrue true. I won't stop you.

Also do you not notice that huge contradition> The monks were hte keepers of knwoeldge yet there was an active effort on part of the church apparently to repress scientific innovation and discoveries? Monks belonged to the church, so what your saying actually makes no sense.

So I am to tolerate you desecrating the sacred host? Which is not magic because theres nothing magical about it. And yeah I am intolerant to people on certain issues, as we all are. But I like how you put medievil western Christianity on to me as If I am bound by the actions of certain people to accept the responsibility of their sins when that book that you say is responsible for my intolerance actually says the son shall not bear the sins of the father but I guess that doesn't apply all of a sudden when it is convenient. By the way, perhaps those protestants who burned witches might have burned me because I am an orthodox Christian.

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[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Well there is a long tradition of scientific practice by those within the church throughout the centuries. Its amazing to read Saint John Damascene and how concerned he was with the antural world and the science of his time and how the monks of other places also did this.As for tolerance, would you have us tolerate you desecrating the sacrad host? Sure we are intolerant in certain respects but it seems you want to think that this is universal on everything which is not the case.

As for trolling, i didn't know that Saint Basil was a troll, maybe he mentioned that in the introduction to on the holy spirit.

Hatiko

Why would I haveyou tolerate me ? For the sane reason you ask me to tolerate you. You can practice your magic and crap all you want i wont stop you or even pay attention to you. So why should i have to conform to your beliefs if i cant practice my own ? And you say you are intolerant only on certain respects its BS you are intolerant of anything the good book says you cant do. Little hint if this was the 1500's i would have been burned at the stake because i did not share your belief.

Oh jeeze, MY EYES!!!! WTF colors did you use!! I can't see!

] So let me get this straight, we are not truly free UNLESS we are bound by the word of god and the institution that has become the church. No hypocrisy there. MW2ismygame

We aren't truely free till we are of a body which is not succeptible to these urges. As for the church yes we are in the church and participate freely as a community. My main point however is that this libertarian freedom which so many atheists and naturalists want for everyone is a myth, because its not free, your simply giving in to your nature, your giving in to the worst parts of your nature. Thats all there is to it.

[QUOTE="MW2ismygame"]] So let me get this straight, we are not truly free UNLESS we are bound by the word of god and the institution that has become the church. No hypocrisy there. Philokalia

We aren't truely free till we are of a body which is not succeptible to these urges. As for the church yes we are in the church and participate freely as a community. My main point however is that this libertarian freedom which so many atheists and naturalists want for everyone is a myth, because its not free, your simply giving in to your nature, your giving in to the worst parts of your nature. Thats all there is to it.

Oh and what nature was it that caused the crusades ? and all of the other stupid religious wars ?

[QUOTE="MW2ismygame"]

Yeah, thats why i like not having to go to church and you know, anything based around religion at all. Weight off my shoulders :)

Philokalia

Now you can do whatever you want and let your nature dominate you right?

Not really as you are bound by that desire, you will not refuse that desire. You are in effect a slave to that desire that Biology within you that wants you to do these things, have sex before marriage, immorality if it means you can get up on top and etc. Of course this is just generalisation. But when you compare the ressurection to that of zombies I see in you not an effort to actually discuss freedom, slavery and the like of what it means, but instead just insult. And indeed you are bound to do that by your nature, you cannot resist that temptation to insult others as you see fit and give in to that biology within you. So I could reccomend you read NT wright on the ressurection and then watch a bunch of zombie movies and ask what the difference is but you would probably not bother doing that, probably because you just don't want to see things honestly. So yeah, you are a slave to that biology, in fact don't most naturalists argue on the basis of this?> That we are not truely free because of those things? In Christ we do things that the natural world does not accept, monasticism, chastity and the like, things which are fundametnally at odds with what society expects. But we do them because we are free in Christ. Philokalia

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[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

So let me get this straight Jesus created us, put us here on earth

Philokalia

eh... God created us and put us here on earth, Jesus is the son of God

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4In him was life: and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="FearMe801"]

eh... God created us and put us here on earth, Jesus is the son of God

GrayF0X786

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4In him was life: and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it.

This is why, when someone chooses to believe in a deity, they should not choose to follow said deitys religion. Example Yahweh has many religions. Judaism, Christianity, Muslim (don't know the name of which Muslims follow) etc. I come from a Christian backround and the hypocrasy that flies in the church is at times insane. Religion is dumb if you let it control your life. I still like to read my bible and I pray and such that religious people do, but I don't force myself to volunteer at a church for 5 times a week, barely giving me time to do my own thing. Churches also forget that people VOLUNTEER to be there. The pastors think they have some power over the people, and think they have the right to talk down on them when they decide not to do something for them. Happened to me plenty of times. Jesus didn't set you up though, in fact, according to the New Testament, God (Yahweh) almost gave up on humanity. Jesus gave us a 2nd chance when he was nailed to the cross. I think when God created us, he thought we weren't stupid enough to fall for Satans tricks, but we got trolled... Hard. There are some things in the bible I don't hold to be true. Some I think are just stories that are meant to have meaning to them. Example Noahs Ark, I think this story didn't actually happen. Instead I think it was a story that was suppose to be about restoring mankind. I don't rule out the possibility of it happening though, I think if it did in fact happen, God must not have flooded the entire planet.

Hope I didn't shove down your throat. Just trying to throw my opinion out there.

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[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4In him was life: and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it.

junglist101

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] There is a massive difference between compulsion to fulfill desire, and acknowledging that the desire exists and being able to indulge it while completely in control. Accepting the existence of a Jewish zombie who is also God, who also killed himself to save us from ourselves, despite designing us to be unlike what he wants us to be, is absolutely ridiculous. We are animals, the product of evolution, and denying what we are is a complete waste of time and countless lives.Philokalia

Not really as you are bound by that desire, you will not refuse that desire. You are in effect a slave to that desire that Biology within you that wants you to do these things, have sex before marriage, immorality if it means you can get up on top and etc. Of course this is just generalisation. But when you compare the ressurection to that of zombies I see in you not an effort to actually discuss freedom, slavery and the like of what it means, but instead just insult. And indeed you are bound to do that by your nature, you cannot resist that temptation to insult others as you see fit and give in to that biology within you. So I could reccomend you read NT wright on the ressurection and then watch a bunch of zombie movies and ask what the difference is but you would probably not bother doing that, probably because you just don't want to see things honestly.

So yeah, you are a slave to that biology, in fact don't most naturalists argue on the basis of this?> That we are not truely free because of those things? In Christ we do things that the natural world does not accept, monasticism, chastity and the like, things which are fundametnally at odds with what society expects. But we do them because we are free in Christ.

You are in position to discuss freedom when that freedom is largely defined by your personal subjective beliefs? Such as that nature is overall bad?

You have to get this straight. You cant be both a Christian, and one that expresses his beliefs without showing any sign of self-doubt, and then expect to be taken as seriously as your attitude seems to try to achieve.

[QUOTE="FearMe801"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

So let me get this straight Jesus created us, put us here on earth

Philokalia

eh... God created us and put us here on earth, Jesus is the son of God

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4In him was life: and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it.