so religion claims faith, but is faith a fact/real?

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#1 ZumaJones07
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faith is the foundation of all religions. regardless of proof, there is a sense of an upper being because of faith. but is faith real? how come some people have faith and some people do not have faith? is it an actual "thing"? is it tangible like matter and objects or is it just something fundamental to religion, but not really "there" like time, measurements, ideas, etc. is faith a fact? is faith something real? or is faith something more for us to question since we all do not have this faith trait even though we're mostly 99.9% the same? is faith the remaining part of that percent? is 1=.999...?
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#2 Communist_Soul
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Faith = non thinking.

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#3 ad1x2
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Faith varies by person. It's not limited by religion; a religious person may have faith in their deity of choice despite not seeing them while another person may have faith in a person to do a certain thing (faith somebody will do the right thing when it comes to doing what is right).

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i have faith in my ability as a gambler. many call that obsession and tell me to stop
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#5 TopTierHustler
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faith = assumption

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#6 coolbeans90
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1=.999...?ZumaJones07

o dear, plz say you aren't going to turn this into a math isn't real thread

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#7 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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Faith = non thinking.

Communist_Soul
Do you believe a $20 bill is really worth $20? It's just a piece of paper
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] 1=.999...?coolbeans90

o dear, plz say you aren't going to turn this into a math isn't real thread

math isn't real either, just nature is real. and i'm asking if faith exists in nature is what i'm saying.
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#9 Communist_Soul
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[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

Faith = non thinking.

Nuck81

Do you believe a $20 bill is really worth $20? It's just a piece of paper

Why would you ask a question and then answer it? Really brings me down. Also yes it's worth what you could say is "$20" worth of goods.

Also Context mother fvcker you gotta know the mother fvcking context when using the damn word.

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And here I was thinking about how OT just doesn't get enough religious topics.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] 1=.999...?ZumaJones07

o dear, plz say you aren't going to turn this into a math isn't real thread

math isn't real either, just nature is real. and i'm asking if faith exists in nature is what i'm saying.

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

Faith = non thinking.

Communist_Soul

Do you believe a $20 bill is really worth $20? It's just a piece of paper

Why would you ask a question and then answer it? Really brings me down. Also yes it's worth what you could say is "$20" worth of goods.

Also Context mother fvcker you gotta know the mother fvcking context when using the damn word.

LOL It's worth $20 because you believe it's worth $20. You know, Faith
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[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Do you believe a $20 bill is really worth $20? It's just a piece of paperNuck81

Why would you ask a question and then answer it? Really brings me down. Also yes it's worth what you could say is "$20" worth of goods.

Also Context mother fvcker you gotta know the mother fvcking context when using the damn word.

LOL It's worth $20 because you believe it's worth $20. You know, Faith

No it's nothing like that. But I don't feel like explaining it so you can ask mommy or daddy.

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

Why would you ask a question and then answer it? Really brings me down. Also yes it's worth what you could say is "$20" worth of goods.

Also Context mother fvcker you gotta know the mother fvcking context when using the damn word.

Communist_Soul

LOL It's worth $20 because you believe it's worth $20. You know, Faith

No it's nothing like that. But I don't feel like explaining it so you can ask mommy or daddy.

Wow, you sure showed me!!
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is 1=.999...?ZumaJones07
Yes, because 1 = 3/3 and 1/3 = .333... and .333... * 3 = .999... Prove me wrong OT. [spoiler] BP697.gif [/spoiler]
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Oh Sora....
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[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] LOL It's worth $20 because you believe it's worth $20. You know, FaithNuck81

No it's nothing like that. But I don't feel like explaining it so you can ask mommy or daddy.

Wow, you sure showed me!!

Sure did because I don't give a shlt. Nothing is going to change if you believe either way, so no harm in being wrong.

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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]is 1=.999...?SoraX64
Yes, because 1 = 3/3 and 1/3 = .333... and .333... * 3 = .999... Prove me wrong OT. [spoiler] BP697.gif [/spoiler]

Devil's advocate: why is 1/3=.333...? (I know why it's true, but it's kind of dodging the point if you use it in the proof of .999...=1 without verifying it)
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Faith is real if you believe in it.

It's also unexplainable in some cases but for the most part, a lot of it has been explained by science that had been thought of mysterious witch craft or something entirely unexplained like, space junk.

It's never wrong to question the unkown, especially when you have no way of explaining it.

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

No it's nothing like that. But I don't feel like explaining it so you can ask mommy or daddy.

Communist_Soul

Wow, you sure showed me!!

Sure did because I don't give a shlt. Nothing is going to change if you believe either way, so no harm in being wrong.

So a $20 bill that is only worth less than a penny in actual paper value, being worth $20 because you believe it is worth that much is not faith in monetary value? Am I non thinking because I believe in that $20 and have Faith that I will get $20 value out of it? Or did I catch you and you're just trying to find a way to bail without looking too bad?
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[QUOTE="SoraX64"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]is 1=.999...?chessmaster1989
Yes, because 1 = 3/3 and 1/3 = .333... and .333... * 3 = .999... Prove me wrong OT. [spoiler] BP697.gif [/spoiler]

Devil's advocate: why is 1/3=.333...? (I know why it's true, but it's kind of dodging the point if you use it in the proof of .999...=1 without verifying it)

Because I said so.
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#22 ZumaJones07
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if you never get to 1 though, how can it be 1? it's just a bunch of 9's. calculus doesn't exist.
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That depends upon how you define faith. Do you define faith as belief that exists despite reason or because of it? Do you define faith as something synonymous with foundationless hope or with a trust in something concrete? When I say I have faith in Jesus Christ I am not at all saying that I merely hope that he exists, but I am saying that in light of my knowledge that he in fact is the Son of God I will trust in him. For me to say that my faith is in Jesus I am saying that I trust him to provide for not simply my physical well being but my eternal salvation. I can say that I have faith in my chair that it will not collapse as I sit in it. Certainly I could be wrong but my chair has yet to fail me. I do not merely hope that my chair exists but I simply trust it to fulfill its natural characteristics as a chair. As with God, my faith is not hoping that he exists but it is tested by the degree in which I rely upon him.
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[QUOTE="SoraX64"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="SoraX64"] Yes, because 1 = 3/3 and 1/3 = .333... and .333... * 3 = .999... Prove me wrong OT. [spoiler] BP697.gif [/spoiler]

Devil's advocate: why is 1/3=.333...? (I know why it's true, but it's kind of dodging the point if you use it in the proof of .999...=1 without verifying it)

Because I said so.

Best proof :P
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if you never get to 1 though, how can it be 1? it's just a bunch of 9's. calculus doesn't exist.ZumaJones07
Start calculating without decimals.
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faith is the foundation of all religions.ZumaJones07
Bad place to start a thread. Religion is based on two things; 1) organized ritual centered around the ceasing of rational thought and expellation of built up emotions through the use of imagery and formulaic behavior/sayings and 2) the attempt to rationalize the world outside the ritual chamber, through tenets, beliefs, etc. Whether or not a person has "faith" in something is not necessarily a requirement of a "religion". It is merely a requirement of particular beliefs within specific religions.
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#27 Inconsistancy
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Faith is believing in something w/o evidence.

strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence

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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]faith is the foundation of all religions.Zeviander
Bad place to start a thread. Religion is based on two things; 1) organized ritual centered around the ceasing of rational thought and expellation of built up emotions through the use of imagery and formulaic behavior/sayings and 2) the attempt to rationalize the world outside the ritual chamber, through tenets, beliefs, etc. Whether or not a person has "faith" in something is not necessarily a requirement of a "religion". It is merely a requirement of particular beliefs within specific religions.

without faith none of what you said makes sense. of course faith is the foundation of all religions because without it, so many claims said in each one become preposterous. no one knows how the ancient texts got here or what happened because video and youtube didn't exist to capture it and people today just have faith that the things they read and the stories are told are true because they don't know what happened themselves. faith is all religion is about.
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Faith isn't religion-exclusive you know?. Anyway I'd said that Faith is the opposite of fact, or that it's in a completely different plane of existance...Faith is knowing that something is, even when you cant see it or touch it, it's not tangible, but it's that sense that tells you "its there" even when you cant prove it with factual evidence. If something becomes factual, you can no longer have faith about it, or there is no more need for faith if that's the case.
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without faith none of what you said makes sense.ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]That depends upon how you define faith. Do you define faith as belief that exists despite reason or because of it? Do you define faith as something synonymous with foundationless hope or with a trust in something concrete? When I say I have faith in Jesus Christ I am not at all saying that I merely hope that he exists, but I am saying that in light of my knowledge that he in fact is the Son of God I will trust in him. For me to say that my faith is in Jesus I am saying that I trust him to provide for not simply my physical well being but my eternal salvation. I can say that I have faith in my chair that it will not collapse as I sit in it. Certainly I could be wrong but my chair has yet to fail me. I do not merely hope that my chair exists but I simply trust it to fulfill its natural characteristics as a chair. As with God, my faith is not hoping that he exists but it is tested by the degree in which I rely upon him.

You always end up amazing me you know :P You are/were a Priest right?
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

o dear, plz say you aren't going to turn this into a math isn't real thread

math isn't real either, just nature is real. and i'm asking if faith exists in nature is what i'm saying.

ur drunk

Pot meet kettle?
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] math isn't real either, just nature is real. and i'm asking if faith exists in nature is what i'm saying.ShadowsDemon

ur drunk

Pot meet kettle?

why else would he bring it up? ;)
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

ur drunk

Pot meet kettle?

why else would he bring it up? ;)

I gathered as much :P
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[QUOTE="SoraX64"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]is 1=.999...?chessmaster1989
Yes, because 1 = 3/3 and 1/3 = .333... and .333... * 3 = .999... Prove me wrong OT. [spoiler] BP697.gif [/spoiler]

Devil's advocate: why is 1/3=.333...? (I know why it's true, but it's kind of dodging the point if you use it in the proof of .999...=1 without verifying it)

My thoughts;

.999....= X

9.99....=10X

9.00 = 9X

X = 1 = .999....

X/3 = 1/3 = .333....

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My thoughts;

.999....= X

9.99....=10X

9.00 = 9X

X = 1 = .999....

X/3 = 1/3 = .333....

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9.99... x 10 cannot also be 10X because the 9's don't end.
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faith is the foundation of all religions. regardless of proof, there is a sense of an upper being because of faith. but is faith real? how come some people have faith and some people do not have faith? is it an actual "thing"? is it tangible like matter and objects or is it just something fundamental to religion, but not really "there" like time, measurements, ideas, etc. is faith a fact? is faith something real? or is faith something more for us to question since we all do not have this faith trait even though we're mostly 99.9% the same? is faith the remaining part of that percent? is 1=.999...?ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

My thoughts;

.999....= X

9.99....=10X

9.00 = 9X

X = 1 = .999....

X/3 = 1/3 = .333....

ZumaJones07

9.99... x 10 cannot also be 10X because the 9's don't end.

I'm not sure if you're joking or need to take more math classes.

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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]faith is the foundation of all religions. regardless of proof, there is a sense of an upper being because of faith. but is faith real? how come some people have faith and some people do not have faith? is it an actual "thing"? is it tangible like matter and objects or is it just something fundamental to religion, but not really "there" like time, measurements, ideas, etc. is faith a fact? is faith something real? or is faith something more for us to question since we all do not have this faith trait even though we're mostly 99.9% the same? is faith the remaining part of that percent? is 1=.999...?

Is faith fact? What?
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Is faith fact? What?chaoscougar1
yea, that's what all that means. it's also the topic title if you didn't see it.
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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Is faith fact? What?ZumaJones07
yea, that's what all that means. it's also the topic title if you didn't see it.

It wouldn't be faith if it was fact

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#43 Philokalia
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Faith is the belief put in someone, usually positively. As in I have faith thatalot of atheists on OT don't understand the theological concepts of Christianity. I also have faith in Christianity. But is it a thing? As much a thing as any other belief I suppose. That is if I understood you right.

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#44 Hubadubalubahu
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Faith is the belief put in someone, usually positively. As in I have faith thatalot of atheists on OT don't understand the theological concepts of Christianity. I also have faith in Christianity. But is it a thing? As much a thing as any other belief I suppose. That is if I understood you right.

Philokalia

Why do you bash Atheists intelligence in every post you make. We get it you dislike atheists, no need to beat a dead horse. I have faith that alot of Christians on OT don't understand the theological concepts of Christianity, there are idiots of all beliefs.

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#45 Philokalia
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Why do you bash Atheists in every post you make. We get it you dislike atheists, no need to beat a dead horse. I have faith that alot of Christians on OT don't understand the theological concepts of Christianity, there are idiots of all beliefs.

Hubadubalubahu

you are of course right, alot of Christian's don't understand the theological beliefs they were brought up to believe and yes there are idiots of all beliefs. In orthodoxy we've had some great idiots.

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Faith is the belief put in someone, usually positively. As in I have faith thatalot of atheists on OT don't understand the theological concepts of Christianity. I also have faith in Christianity. But is it a thing? As much a thing as any other belief I suppose. That is if I understood you right.

Philokalia

More claims of intellectual superiority? Aren't you becoming like those you despise?

Beleifs and faith have the differences of evidential value and complete submission.

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#47 Philokalia
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More claims of intellectual superiority? Aren't you becoming like those you despise?

Beleifs and faith have the differences of evidential value and complete submission.

RationalAtheist

Since when did I make myself or Christians to be superior? That being said I wasn't the type that just continued to believe based on "sola fide" as we might say.

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#48 RationalAtheist
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

More claims of intellectual superiority? Aren't you becoming like those you despise?

Beleifs and faith have the differences of evidential value and complete submission.

Philokalia

Since when did I make myself or Christians to be superior? That being said I wasn't the type that just continued to believe based on "sola fide" as we might say.

You are slagging off atheists once again. Your "faith" that atheists don't understand the thological concepts of Christianty demontrates how blind faith really is. Please don't hide in your Christianty - it is your own personal conduct in question.

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#49 Philokalia
Member since 2012 • 2910 Posts

You are slagging off atheists once again. Your "faith" that atheists don't understand the thological concepts of Christianty demontrates how blind faith really is. Please don't hide in your Christianty - it is your own personal conduct in question.

RationalAtheist

Well yeah it was a cheap shot, that was kind of the point. though some atheists have a knowledge fo these things, its just that the vast majority dont. But that was something interesting.

Atheists not knowing Christianity demonstrates a Christian's faith in their religion is blind....

That is some off logic there.

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#50 RationalAtheist
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Well yeah it was a cheap shot, that was kind of the point. though some atheists have a knowledge fo these things, its just that the vast majority dont. But that was something interesting.

Atheists not knowing Christianity demonstrates a Christian's faith in their religion is blind....

That is some off logic there.

Philokalia

Seems par for your course that you see a point in making cheap shots. As is your fallacious use of arguments from an imagined majority.

It seeps quite superior of you to "know" what atheists know.

We have discussed your foundations for belief several times now and the evidential value you attach to hear-say, authority and revelation in your own faith-bound beliefs. If there was hard evidence, you would not need faith to justify those beliefs, would you?