According to this we aren't that far off as of right now and we will only be roughly 640 billion away from the GDP and the debt reversed. What happens when the national debt is officially higher than the GDP? How bad will it actually be?
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According to this we aren't that far off as of right now and we will only be roughly 640 billion away from the GDP and the debt reversed. What happens when the national debt is officially higher than the GDP? How bad will it actually be?
whoever we owe the 14 trillion to should just let it go and it would solve all our problem.AL_GREENwait i just had a record scratch in my head when i read this.. i dont know if this makes me ignorant but who did we get all these loans from and why are they dumb enough to keep loaning us money that they will never get back?
[QUOTE="AL_GREEN"]whoever we owe the 14 trillion to should just let it go and it would solve all our problem.fl4tlinedwait i just had a record scratch in my head when i read this.. i dont know if this makes me ignorant but who did we get all these loans from and why are they dumb enough to keep loaning us money that they will never get back? well more than 1 country loaned us money. also america gets points simply for being awesome so they like to give us the benefit of the doubt.
[QUOTE="AL_GREEN"]whoever we owe the 14 trillion to should just let it go and it would solve all our problem.fl4tlinedwait i just had a record scratch in my head when i read this.. i dont know if this makes me ignorant but who did we get all these loans from and why are they dumb enough to keep loaning us money that they will never get back?
blackmail i guess
wait i just had a record scratch in my head when i read this.. i dont know if this makes me ignorant but who did we get all these loans from and why are they dumb enough to keep loaning us money that they will never get back?[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="AL_GREEN"]whoever we owe the 14 trillion to should just let it go and it would solve all our problem.magicalclick
They have to because we are the customers. Don't you ever heard of "customer is God"?
America does buy EVERYTHING. :Pi say America stages a mass suicide and move to underground bunkers where we'll live until everyone on the surface dies or in enslaved by our new alien overlords
problem solved cant collect dept from a dead guy:P
Nothing special happens at that arbitrary number. It's more of a symbolic amount of debt than anything else. (granted, it is a big number)
the "debt" will never be paid offxbox360isgr8t
yeah it wont. I don't know why people are so hung up on it, nothing is going to change. we can still print money..
Their going to continue to print money which is going to drive its value through the floor. Without the gold to back up its value, might as well me monopoly money. They have to go back to the gold standard. If everyone would take all their money out of the bank that would force some change real quick.KingHuzzahOh boy.
Nothing happens if we make efforts to balance the budget and reduce the long term deficit (like finally repeal the Bush tax cuts) after the economy fully recovers. The debt as a percent of GDP was well over 100% after WWII, and the next few decades that followed were some of the most prosperous decades of this country's history.-Sun_Tzu-my friend we could all be bill gates and that debt of 100s of trillions wouldnt be paid off so higher taxes i highly doubt is the answer. answer would be STOP SPENDING MONEY stupid government cant figure that out.
i would pay that right now if i could oppt out of all future taxes and social benefits. also if i could be paid in a special gold backed dollar that would be nice.Simple, each American owes about $45,000... now pay up!
TheMadGamer
I don't understand. The people who are advocating European style socialism along with high taxes say it will be good for the countries financial problems, yet every time i look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt many of the socialist european countries that are supposedly so great because they have high taxes have much higher debt to GDP than the USA. Raising taxes on the rich isn't going to decrease the debt, it will simply allow the government to spend more.
What happens when the debt reaches 14 trillion is that it just keeps going up. The inefficient mob that is the government will continue doing what they do best, and the debt will continue to rise.
I don't understand. The people who are advocating European style socialism along with high taxes say it will reduce the debt, yet every time i look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt many of the socialist european countries that are supposedly so great because they have high taxes have much higher debt to GDP than the USA. Raising taxes on the rich isn't going to decrease the debt, it will simply allow the government to spend more.
What happens when the debt reaches 14 trillion is that it just keeps going up. The inefficient mob that is the government will continue doing what they do best, and the debt will continue to rise.
walter block has a critique of the laffer curve and based on his analysis it shows diminished utility greater than that of increased tax revenue. but the progressives will come in with the media mentoring and preach how godly the laffer curve is[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Nothing happens if we make efforts to balance the budget and reduce the long term deficit (like finally repeal the Bush tax cuts) after the economy fully recovers. The debt as a percent of GDP was well over 100% after WWII, and the next few decades that followed were some of the most prosperous decades of this country's history.kayoticdreamzmy friend we could all be bill gates and that debt of 100s of trillions wouldnt be paid off so higher taxes i highly doubt is the answer. answer would be STOP SPENDING MONEY stupid government cant figure that out. In order to reduce the deficit you need both spending cuts and higher taxes (as well as a more efficient tax system). You'd really hurt a lot of people of all walks of life by just drastically cutting spending to the point where the budget is balanced. Moreover, the debt isn't "100's of trillions".
I don't understand. The people who are advocating European style socialism along with high taxes say it will reduce the debt, yet every time i look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt many of the socialist european countries that are supposedly so great because they have high taxes have much higher debt to GDP than the USA. Raising taxes on the rich isn't going to decrease the debt, it will simply allow the government to spend more.
What happens when the debt reaches 14 trillion is that it just keeps going up. The inefficient mob that is the government will continue doing what they do best, and the debt will continue to rise.
walter block has a critique of the laffer curve and based on his analysis it shows diminished utility greater than that of increased tax revenue. but the progressives will come in with the media mentoring and preach how godly the laffer curve is Um, what? The Laffer curve owes its namesake to Arthur Laffer, a conservative economist who was an adviser to Reagan in the 80's, and is one of the most important ideas to supply-side economics, which is an economic school of thought liked by most conservatives. Liberals have never been the ones preaching about how godly the laffer curve is.its probably the doom of the USofA no other being in the history of the world would have been allowed such a debt
I don't understand. The people who are advocating European style socialism along with high taxes say it will reduce the debt, yet every time i look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt many of the socialist european countries that are supposedly so great because they have high taxes have much higher debt to GDP than the USA. Raising taxes on the rich isn't going to decrease the debt, it will simply allow the government to spend more.
What happens when the debt reaches 14 trillion is that it just keeps going up. The inefficient mob that is the government will continue doing what they do best, and the debt will continue to rise.
walter block has a critique of the laffer curve and based on his analysis it shows diminished utility greater than that of increased tax revenue. but the progressives will come in with the media mentoring and preach how godly the laffer curve is Um, what? The Laffer curve owes its namesake to Arthur Laffer, a conservative economist who was an adviser to Reagan in the 80's, and is one of the most important ideas to supply-side economics, which is an economic school of thought liked by most conservatives. Liberals have never been the ones preaching about how godly the laffer curve is. you did just the other day...[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] walter block has a critique of the laffer curve and based on his analysis it shows diminished utility greater than that of increased tax revenue. but the progressives will come in with the media mentoring and preach how godly the laffer curve issurrealnumber5Um, what? The Laffer curve owes its namesake to Arthur Laffer, a conservative economist who was an adviser to Reagan in the 80's, and is one of the most important ideas to supply-side economics, which is an economic school of thought liked by most conservatives. Liberals have never been the ones preaching about how godly the laffer curve is. you did just the other day... I cited the laffer curve because it's an idea that is widely accepted (to a certain extent) by both conservatives and liberals and illustrated my point that revenues can be maximized. I was never preaching about how godly it is. But when you turn on the T.V. you're really only going to find conservatives actively praising it as a rationalization to cut taxes even when taxes really shouldn't be cut, because as the laffer curve demonstrates tax cuts can theoretically increase revenue.
you did just the other day... I cited the laffer curve because it's an idea that is widely accepted (to a certain extent) by both conservatives and liberals and illustrated my point that revenues can be maximized. I was never preaching about how godly it is. But when you turn on the T.V. you're really only going to find conservatives actively praising it as a rationalization to cut taxes even when taxes really shouldn't be cut, because as the laffer curve demonstrates tax cuts can theoretically increase revenue. walter block is the henry hazlitt of today when it comes to debunking economic fallacies but sadly you wont see him on tv.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Um, what? The Laffer curve owes its namesake to Arthur Laffer, a conservative economist who was an adviser to Reagan in the 80's, and is one of the most important ideas to supply-side economics, which is an economic school of thought liked by most conservatives. Liberals have never been the ones preaching about how godly the laffer curve is.-Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I cited the laffer curve because it's an idea that is widely accepted (to a certain extent) by both conservatives and liberals and illustrated my point that revenues can be maximized. I was never preaching about how godly it is. But when you turn on the T.V. you're really only going to find conservatives actively praising it as a rationalization to cut taxes even when taxes really shouldn't be cut, because as the laffer curve demonstrates tax cuts can theoretically increase revenue. walter block is the henry hazlitt of today when it comes to debunking economic fallacies but sadly you wont see him on tv. I'm a bit familiar with Block's work and I haven't seen him dismiss the Laffer curve as a fallacious idea - I've only seen him try to reconcile the libertarian's desire to cut taxes with the libertarian's desire to not increase tax revenue (thus implicitly agreeing with the Laffer curve).[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] you did just the other day...surrealnumber5
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I cited the laffer curve because it's an idea that is widely accepted (to a certain extent) by both conservatives and liberals and illustrated my point that revenues can be maximized. I was never preaching about how godly it is. But when you turn on the T.V. you're really only going to find conservatives actively praising it as a rationalization to cut taxes even when taxes really shouldn't be cut, because as the laffer curve demonstrates tax cuts can theoretically increase revenue.walter block is the henry hazlitt of today when it comes to debunking economic fallacies but sadly you wont see him on tv. I'm a bit familiar with Block's work and I haven't seen him dismiss the Laffer curve as a fallacious idea - I've only seen him try to reconcile the libertarian's desire to cut taxes with the libertarian's desire to not increase tax revenue (thus implicitly agreeing with the Laffer curve). in a recent presentation, i think it was called The Fallacies of Public Finance, he went into why he feels the laffer curve is fallacious. i am so trying to finish this post but potty....-Sun_Tzu-
I'm a bit familiar with Block's work and I haven't seen him dismiss the Laffer curve as a fallacious idea - I've only seen him try to reconcile the libertarian's desire to cut taxes with the libertarian's desire to not increase tax revenue (thus implicitly agreeing with the Laffer curve). in a recent presentation, i think it was called The Fallacies of Public Finance, he went into why he feels the laffer curve is fallacious. i am so trying to finish this post but potty.... I just listened to the relevant part of the presentation where he talks about the laffer curve, and nowhere did he call it fallacious. All he did was touch on the same aforementioned conflict between a libertarian's desire to cut taxes and a libertarian's desire to cut tax revenue, thus an implicit acceptance of the laffer curve. The laffer curve is something that is widely accepted by most economists, whether they be Austrians, or Marxists, or Keynesians, or Monetarists, or Supply-siders. With that said, it's really only been praised by conservatives as a way to rationalize tax cuts from a fiscally responsible perspective.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] walter block is the henry hazlitt of today when it comes to debunking economic fallacies but sadly you wont see him on tv. surrealnumber5
simple, invade another country, steal their money. Then invade Poland, the world gets pissed and WW3 starts.
Half-Way
brilliant
like Sun-tzu said in a previous post, the decades after WW2 were followed by great economic prosperity
what better way to bring forth economic recovery then by another World War?
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