Somethings wrong here.....

As long as i can remember, my school has told us about how America has one most or all of their wars they won. They make it seem as if America wins all of the wars they're in. I dont believe thats true. There must be at least one war they haven't won.

Do they do this in your textbooks? Do they make it seem as if your country wins every war its in?

There must be at least one war they haven't won.MetaKnight50

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]There must be at least one war they haven't won.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]There must be at least one war they haven't won.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]There must be at least one war they haven't won.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]There must be at least one war they haven't won.MetaKnight50

and there's Korea - all we got from that is a crazy guy that wants to kill us.

Edit: If Vietnam isn't in a modern american history textbook you should ask them about that....

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]There must be at least one war they haven't won.MetaKnight50

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]There must be at least one war they haven't won.MetaKnight50

Unless I missed something the US never declaired war with Vietnam

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That would be Vietnam.duxup

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That would be Vietnam.duxup

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That would be Vietnam.solidruss

Unless I missed something the US never declaired war with Vietnam

I belive the only war we have lost was the Vietnam war....That's why we have so many Vietnamese over here because America lost.

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]I dont see why they cant just put that down in the textbooks, or my school's textbooks to be more specific.MetaKnight50

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That would be Vietnam.Funky_Llama

It was in my textbook. . .of course, it was also in my textbook that Vietnam was never technically a war since Congress never officially made a declaration of war, but hey.

As long as i can remember, my school has told us about how America has one most or all of their wars they won. They make it seem as if America wins all of the wars they're in. I dont believe thats true. There must be at least one war they haven't won.

Do they do this in your textbooks? Do they make it seem as if your country wins every war its in?

MetaKnight50

And i bet your school said when the white man came to america... they sat around with indians and ate corn all day.... american schools lie to you about history

Unless I missed something the US never declaired war with Vietnam

Funky_Llama

While that may be true, but since no declaration of war was made, it technically means it wasn't a war.

*head explodes*

While that may be true, but since no declaration of war was made, it technically means it wasn't a war.

*head explodes*

solidruss

If 60,000 of your military's soldiers die in the midst of armed combat against the military forces of another country, and if members of your country are drafted into the military to support that effort against the military forces of that country, then that's a ****ing war, regardless of what your government says. :P

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]

As long as i can remember, my school has told us about how America has one most or all of their wars they won. They make it seem as if America wins all of the wars they're in. I dont believe thats true. There must be at least one war they haven't won.

Do they do this in your textbooks? Do they make it seem as if your country wins every war its in?

bsman00

And i bet your school said when the white man came to america... they sat around with indians and ate corn all day.... american schools lie to you about history

Only during grade school.

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]

As long as i can remember, my school has told us about how America has one most or all of their wars they won. They make it seem as if America wins all of the wars they're in. I dont believe thats true. There must be at least one war they haven't won.

Do they do this in your textbooks? Do they make it seem as if your country wins every war its in?

And i bet your school said when the white man came to america... they sat around with indians and ate corn all day.... american schools lie to you about history

While that may be true, but since no declaration of war was made, it technically means it wasn't a war.

*head explodes*

solidruss

[QUOTE="solidruss"]

While that may be true, but since no declaration of war was made, it technically means it wasn't a war.

*head explodes*

GabuEx

If 60,000 of your military's soldiers die in the midst of armed combat against the military forces of another country, and if members of your country are drafted into the military to support that effort against the military forces of that country, thenthat's a ****ing war, regardless of what your government says. :P

If only you were in Congress back then:P

As long as i can remember, my school has told us about how America has one most or all of their wars they won. They make it seem as if America wins all of the wars they're in. I dont believe thats true. There must be at least one war they haven't won.

Do they do this in your textbooks? Do they make it seem as if your country wins every war its in?

MetaKnight50

[QUOTE="bsman00"]

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]

As long as i can remember, my school has told us about how America has one most or all of their wars they won. They make it seem as if America wins all of the wars they're in. I dont believe thats true. There must be at least one war they haven't won.

Do they do this in your textbooks? Do they make it seem as if your country wins every war its in?

MetaKnight50

And i bet your school said when the white man came to america... they sat around with indians and ate corn all day.... american schools lie to you about history

. . .The Spanish Empire aquired over a trillion dollars in gold from New Spain during the 16th century, what is now known as most of the United States and all of Mexico. Whether you could consider that "stealing" or not depends entirely on whether or not you think Spain owned that land or the Native Americans.

As long as i can remember, my school has told us about how America has one most or all of their wars they won. They make it seem as if America wins all of the wars they're in. I dont believe thats true. There must be at least one war they haven't won.

Do they do this in your textbooks? Do they make it seem as if your country wins every war its in?

They didn't win the Revolutionary War.

They lost to their own egos.

They didn't win the Revolutionary War.

They lost to their own egos.

cu_be_cie

. . .What?

[QUOTE="cu_be_cie"]

They didn't win the Revolutionary War.

They lost to their own egos.

Theokhoth

. . .What?

America hasnt actually won a war. WW1 and WW2 they help the allies, in Nam they pulled out, The Korean war they had help from the allies again, the mogadishu conflict, America was backed up by the UN but pulled out. Even in the American revoluation they had help from the French. The only war America has one was the War of Inderpendance. But only because it was amoungst themsevles.

losing the war on drugs pretty handily too.comp_atkins

Sorta like the war on terrorism, when you declare war on an abstract ideal there is no concrete way to win. Not that you can really win much in other wars, either. I'd say there are only a couple wars America, or anyone else for that matter, has actually won.

Anyways, a textbook that doesn't teach anything about Vietnam is pretty bad. A school and/or teacher doing the same is sadly common. Inmy grade school/high school experience the only history classes that were worth a damn were the ones that focused in on very specific events because they generally had teachers that were very excited about the material. The teachers teaching general history classes like American History or Western Civ were either extremely disenchanted and apathetic or only interested in covering what they considered pertinent. Until high school history classes start covering real issues and events like redlining, Vietnam, and the civil rights movement no one's ever going to take them seriously. WHen I was in high/school grade school 98% of the time was spent either on the Revolutionary War, Civil War, or World War II. To me, that's a gross omission of some of the most important events in our nation's history.

America hasnt actually won a war. WW1 and WW2 they help the allies, in Nam they pulled out, The Korean war they had help from the allies again, the mogadishu conflict, America was backed up by the UN but pulled out. Even in the American revoluation they had help from the French. The only war America has one was the War of Inderpendance. But only because it was amoungst themsevles.

clyde46

losing the war on drugs pretty handily too.comp_atkins

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That would be Vietnam.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]I dont see why they cant just put that down in the textbooks, or my school's textbooks to be more specific.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I'm pretty damn surprised that they don't, to be honest O_oFunky_Llama

Nixon actually liked to put his own spin on the situation. I don't know that he said we won it, but he also wouldn't admit defeat.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]They've never published that the US won Vietnam.

theone86

Nixon actually liked to put his own spin on the situation. I don't know that he said we won it, but he also wouldn't admit defeat.

The Gulf War wasn't much of a "victory" either. The thing is that war has changed. While America was young the idea of "victory" began to fade. Ever since WWII war goes and goes. German officers surrendered, handed over their weapons and admitted defeat. In most of America's conflicts we have being fighting against guerrilla tactics that are orchestrated by men who will never lay down their arms. Iraq, Vietnam, the Gulf War, even the pacific front in WWII.... These people fight until there isn't a soul alive. "Victory" can not be achieved in war today, at least in my opinion.

What about the War of 1812. Take that, White House.

The Gulf War wasn't much of a "victory" either. The thing is that war has changed. While America was young the idea of "victory" began to fade. Ever since WWII war goes and goes. German officers surrendered, handed over their weapons and admitted defeat. In most of America's conflicts we have being fighting against guerrilla tactics that are orchestrated by men who will never lay down their arms. Iraq, Vietnam, the Gulf War, even the pacific front in WWII.... These people fight until there isn't a soul alive. "Victory" can not be achieved in war today, at least in my opinion.

Smoke89

Sort of what I was trying to get at, I think there are very few wars that we have gotten a concrete prize out of. In the Revolution we got our Independence and in World War II we recovered both our own and our allies' seized territories, but other than that I fail to see what good has come out of any other American war other than the resolution of certain disputes and birth and/or continuation of others. Note that I don't consider the end of slavery something we won in the Civil War as it wasn't the main focus behind the start of the war nor was it the North's intention to free the slaves. Emancipation was simply a political bi-product of the war due to circumstance.

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[QUOTE="cu_be_cie"]

They didn't win the Revolutionary War.

They lost to their own egos.

Funky_Llama

. . .What?

Actually, I just made it up.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Well yeah, that would pretty much indefensible.Funky_Llama

Nixon actually liked to put his own spin on the situation. I don't know that he said we won it, but he also wouldn't admit defeat.

I live in Canada, our text books always write about how much we contributed to wars, and they always downplay America's role. :lol:

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

America hasnt actually won a war. WW1 and WW2 they help the allies, in Nam they pulled out, The Korean war they had help from the allies again, the mogadishu conflict, America was backed up by the UN but pulled out. Even in the American revoluation they had help from the French. The only war America has one was the War of Inderpendance. But only because it was amoungst themsevles.

MetaKnight50

[QUOTE="MetaKnight50"][QUOTE="clyde46"]

America hasnt actually won a war. WW1 and WW2 they help the allies, in Nam they pulled out, The Korean war they had help from the allies again, the mogadishu conflict, America was backed up by the UN but pulled out. Even in the American revoluation they had help from the French. The only war America has one was the War of Inderpendance. But only because it was amoungst themsevles.

clyde46

I can argue with that. So what you are saying is that even though that America never swooped in singlehandidly and won a war and pushed the other guys to the ground, you criticise them for not doing so? Wow. That's a first. I don't know what this war of Inderpendance was either, but I'm pretty sure it's the same thing as the revolution if you are the American Military Historian you are trying to be.

Public Schools told us alot of B.S.... i don't think we even talked about the Vietnam war (Wonder why, maybe because we didn't win.....nahhh)

Public Schools told us alot of B.S.... i don't think we even talked about the Vietnam war (Wonder why, maybe because we didn't win.....nahhh)

ShadowTech_FTW

My university has an entire class on that war alone

Well we lost Vietnam, but we werent actually in a war with them.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="MetaKnight50"]Cant argue with that.phillo99

I can argue with that. So what you are saying is that even though that America never swooped in singlehandidly and won a war and pushed the other guys to the ground, you criticise them for not doing so? Wow. That's a first. I don't know what this war of Inderpendance was either, but I'm pretty sure it's the same thing as the revolution if you are the American Military Historian you are trying to be.

[QUOTE="phillo99"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Spends the most on the armed forces yet doesnt have a very good track record. clyde46

I can argue with that. So what you are saying is that even though that America never swooped in singlehandidly and won a war and pushed the other guys to the ground, you criticise them for not doing so? Wow. That's a first. I don't know what this war of Inderpendance was either, but I'm pretty sure it's the same thing as the revolution if you are the American Military Historian you are trying to be.

Could you point to me a nation that won all wars solely on their own? That's like saying America has crime, therefore it's a crap nation. Or better, America doesn't have star wars like technology. Therefore, they are all backwards rednecks with no concept of technology. Every nation has had help in some form, and it's not fair or intelligent to criticise America for it.