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#1 GarchomPro
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Its prity cool how its almost like sound only exists when thers som1 to hear it, like if

a tree falls in the woods and thers no1 ther to hear it, does it make a sound?


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#2 SpootyHead
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It makes a sound because the waves are still there.
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#3 FragStains
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Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.
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If I fart, but no one smells it, does it stink?

I R teh sMart.

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Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.FragStains


yeh but then the tape recorder hears it, if thers no1 to hear it how can it exist??
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#6 FLSTS
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Well my counter question is how would you know the tree has fallen? HUH?!?!?
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#7 ElZilcho90
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Incorrect. The sound waves are still being transmitted. Sound will always be transmitted, even if there's nothing in the area to receive it.
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#8 194197844077667059316682358889
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If you are referring to the sensory impression of sound, it's vacuously true. Otherwise, it's completely false :(
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#9 Apollo5000
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Its prity cool how its almost like sound only exists when thers som1 to hear it, like if

a tree falls in the woods and thers no1 ther to hear it, does it make a sound?


GarchomPro

Just figuring it out eh?

It makes a sound because the waves are still there. SpootyHead

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound, it makes waves that fade out over time and distance if nothing is there to pick up the waves they stay just that until they fade out meaning no sound is actually created.

Common Sense 101.

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[QUOTE="FragStains"]Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.GarchomPro


yeh but then the tape recorder hears it, if thers no1 to hear it how can it exist??

You are either trying to start a asinine debate...or are a bit simple.

Your choice.

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Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.FragStains
But what happens when the tree falls on the tape recorder
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#12 GarchomPro
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[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="FragStains"]Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.luke1889



yeh but then the tape recorder hears it, if thers no1 to hear it how can it exist??

You are either trying to start a asinine debate...or are a bit simple.

Your choice.



I enjoy a good debate
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[QUOTE="FragStains"]Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.nintendo_fan675
But what happens when the tree falls on the tape recorder

I... Don't.... Know....

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That was the stupidest thing I've read in a while.

Of course sound exists if nobody is around to hear it. Sound waves.... How has that not occurred to you?

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[QUOTE="FragStains"]Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.nintendo_fan675
But what happens when the tree falls on the tape recorder

then you just lost about $600 dollars
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[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Its prity cool how its almost like sound only exists when thers som1 to hear it, like if

a tree falls in the woods and thers no1 ther to hear it, does it make a sound?


Apollo5000

Just figuring it out eh?

It makes a sound because the waves are still there. SpootyHead

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound, it makes waves that fade out over time and distance if nothing is there to pick up the waves they stay just that until they fade out meaning no sound is actually created.

Common Sense 101.

Jesus Christ... Common Sense 102:

By your logic, if the sun were surrounded by nothing for billions of lightyears, it would not make any light. Nothing is there to see/pick it up, therefore it can't exist, amirite?

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[QUOTE="nintendo_fan675"][QUOTE="FragStains"]Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.Mercury_May2112

But what happens when the tree falls on the tape recorder

I... Don't.... Know....

TIME PARADOX

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[QUOTE="Apollo5000"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Its prity cool how its almost like sound only exists when thers som1 to hear it, like if

a tree falls in the woods and thers no1 ther to hear it, does it make a sound?


TongHua

Just figuring it out eh?

It makes a sound because the waves are still there. SpootyHead

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound, it makes waves that fade out over time and distance if nothing is there to pick up the waves they stay just that until they fade out meaning no sound is actually created.

Common Sense 101.

Jesus Christ... Common Sense 102:

By your logic, if the sun were surrounded by nothing for billions of lightyears, it would not make any light. Nothing is there to see/pick it up, therefore it can't exist, amirite?

Kinda.

For all intents and purposes it would not exist as it would just be lightwaves traveling through nothingness.

And thats not by my logic, thats just by logic, If everyone and thing on the world was deaf technically sound would not exist, as it would just be waves in the air.

P.S As flattering as it is, i'm not Jesus Christ.

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Ok now.

There's two definitions of sound.

1. The actual distortion of a median that can be interpreted by a receiver.

2. The way the distortion of a median relates to the receiver.

It just depends on which definition you think is more accurate. So can we end this stupid discussion?

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#20 Spazoid
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Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
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#21 GarchomPro
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Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
Spazoid


thers always som1 looking at it :)
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#22 luke1889
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[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="FragStains"]Set a tape recorder up, and I bet you'll hear the tree fall.GarchomPro



yeh but then the tape recorder hears it, if thers no1 to hear it how can it exist??

You are either trying to start a asinine debate...or are a bit simple.

Your choice.



I enjoy a good debate

But there is no debate to be had. Your question is stupid.

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If a tree doesn't fall and makes a sound, then there is a real problem.
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#24 ConManWithGun
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well it actually does make a sound, just because no one heard it doesn't mean it the sound wave never happend
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[QUOTE="Spazoid"]Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
GarchomPro


thers always som1 looking at it :)

No there's not... there is light in the universe that has not reached earth and that will not before the sun goes nova.
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If a tree doesn't fall and makes a sound, then there is a real problem.scottyboy21203
ZOMG glitch!!!1!
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[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Spazoid"]Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
xaos


thers always som1 looking at it :)

No there's not... there is light in the universe that has not reached earth and that will not before the sun goes nova.

Heck, just turn on a lightbulb in your basement, walk upstairs, and close the door.

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[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Spazoid"]Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
xaos


thers always som1 looking at it :)

No there's not... there is light in the universe that has not reached earth and that will not before the sun goes nova.

So for all intents in purposes it doesn't exist. From our perspective anyway. Maybe theres some alien planet who have that very light as a sun. But the essense of the "Tree Falling" question is perspective and from perspectice thing can potentially not exist for you.

Right this second for example, i have music playing quitely and the hum of the computer, now i can't hear the computer over the music so right now there really isn't a hum to hear. Same thing applys for distance. I'm sure that somewhere in the city someone is playing music or watching TV whith the sound at a deaf causing level, but to me it doesn't even exist because i am not there to hear it.

Its all about perspective and experience.

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Spazoid"]Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
Apollo5000



thers always som1 looking at it :)

No there's not... there is light in the universe that has not reached earth and that will not before the sun goes nova.

So for all intents in purposes it doesn't exist. From our perspective anyway. Maybe theres some alien planet who have that very light as a sun. But the essense of the "Tree Falling" question is perspective and from perspectice thing can potentially not exist for you.

Right this second for example, i have music playing quitely and the hum of the computer, now i can't hear the computer over the music so right now there really isn't a hum to hear. Same thing applys for distance. I'm sure that somewhere in the city someone is playing music or watching TV whith the sound at a deaf causing level, but to me it doesn't even exist because i am not there to hear it.

Its all about perspective and experience.

But it still exists, what's your point? That's like saying we're the only life in the universe because we're the only life we know to exist.

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#30 LJS9502_basic
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Sound itself...no. But soundwaves...yes. Therefore, whether some is there to hear or not...the event is the same.
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Spazoid"]Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
Apollo5000



thers always som1 looking at it :)

No there's not... there is light in the universe that has not reached earth and that will not before the sun goes nova.

So for all intents in purposes it doesn't exist. From our perspective anyway. Maybe theres some alien planet who have that very light as a sun. But the essense of the "Tree Falling" question is perspective and from perspectice thing can potentially not exist for you.

Right this second for example, i have music playing quitely and the hum of the computer, now i can't hear the computer over the music so right now there really isn't a hum to hear. Same thing applys for distance. I'm sure that somewhere in the city someone is playing music or watching TV whith the sound at a deaf causing level, but to me it doesn't even exist because i am not there to hear it.

Its all about perspective and experience.

Light is not the same as sound.....don't confuse the two.

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According to this line of logic, Color doesn't exist unless someone is looking at an object. Apparently, the second someone stops looking at something, it goes grayscale. Guess we're living in Steamboat Willie land.
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#33 Apollo5000
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[QUOTE="Apollo5000"]

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Spazoid"]Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
TongHua



thers always som1 looking at it :)

No there's not... there is light in the universe that has not reached earth and that will not before the sun goes nova.

So for all intents in purposes it doesn't exist. From our perspective anyway. Maybe theres some alien planet who have that very light as a sun. But the essense of the "Tree Falling" question is perspective and from perspectice thing can potentially not exist for you.

Right this second for example, i have music playing quitely and the hum of the computer, now i can't hear the computer over the music so right now there really isn't a hum to hear. Same thing applys for distance. I'm sure that somewhere in the city someone is playing music or watching TV whith the sound at a deaf causing level, but to me it doesn't even exist because i am not there to hear it.

Its all about perspective and experience.

But it still exists, what's your point? That's like saying we're the only life in the universe because we're the only life we know to exist.

It doesn't exist to you, thats the point. Even if it exists to someone else you can only trust your perspective and expereince of the situation. Lets alter the question slightly "If a Tree falls in the woods and only your friend is there to hear it, does the sound exist for you?" Answer: No. it exists for your friend,he can show you the tree, describe the noise but to you it didn't make a noise as you weren't there to experience it. This is just the same as the "Does an empty room exist" question and it has essentially the same method to get the answer and that method is; Perspective.

And its not really like saying no alien life forms exist. In our experiences they haven't but to quote Hume "You can't predict the future based on past experiences" Currently we don't know of alien life and thats pretty much a fact, obviously there will be some "Oh but i saw a UFO" and some "Its insane to thing we are alone in the universe" but in the end the answer is we just don't know. Why don't we know because we haven't viewed (or expierenced) the entire universe and don't know what exists out there.

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According to this line of logic, Color doesn't exist unless someone is looking at an object. Apparently, the second someone stops looking at something, it goes grayscale. Guess we're living in Steamboat Willie land.ElZilcho90

Light and sound are not comparable. Light exists whether someone sees it or not. Soundwaves exist whether someone hears it or not. Sound does not exist if no one hears it.

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[QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]According to this line of logic, Color doesn't exist unless someone is looking at an object. Apparently, the second someone stops looking at something, it goes grayscale. Guess we're living in Steamboat Willie land.LJS9502_basic

Light and sound are not comparable. Light exists whether someone sees it or not. Soundwaves exist whether someone hears it or not. Sound does not exist if no one hears it.

I get what you're saying if we clarify the terminology: you're stating light doesn't exist unless it is being recieved and processed, I.E. by someone's eyes, while light waves always exist whether they're received or not. Same goes for Sound and sound waves. Right?

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#36 Apollo5000
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Sound does not exist if no one hears it.

LJS9502_basic

I think thats the first time we've agreed on something.

*Dear Diary...*

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]According to this line of logic, Color doesn't exist unless someone is looking at an object. Apparently, the second someone stops looking at something, it goes grayscale. Guess we're living in Steamboat Willie land.ElZilcho90

Light and sound are not comparable. Light exists whether someone sees it or not. Soundwaves exist whether someone hears it or not. Sound does not exist if no one hears it.

I get what you're saying if we clarify the terminology: you're stating light doesn't exist unless it is being recieved and processed, I.E. by someone's eyes, while light waves always exist whether they're received or not. Same goes for Sound and sound waves. Right?

No. Light and soundwaves both exist on their own. Sound itself needs a listener.

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#38 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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Let's check out what Merriam Webster says...

Main Entry: 3sound
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English soun, from Anglo-French son, sun, from Latin sonus, from sonare to sound; akin to Old English swinn melody, Sanskrit svanati it sounds
1 a: a particular auditory impression : TONEb: the sensation perceived by the sense of hearing c: mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing

So, both answers are correct.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Sound does not exist if no one hears it.

Apollo5000

I think thats the first time we've agreed on something.

*Dear Diary...*

Come over to the darkside Luke....we'll agree more often.;)

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sound is vibration, its always there. Theres sounds now you cant hear it doesnt mean they are not there
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#41 Apollo5000
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[QUOTE="Apollo5000"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Sound does not exist if no one hears it.

LJS9502_basic

I think thats the first time we've agreed on something.

*Dear Diary...*

Come over to the darkside Luke....we'll agree more often.;)

I'll never join you! :|

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Spazoid"]Ussing your logic...

Light doesn't exist unless someone is looking at it.
Apollo5000



thers always som1 looking at it :)

No there's not... there is light in the universe that has not reached earth and that will not before the sun goes nova.

So for all intents in purposes it doesn't exist. From our perspective anyway. Maybe theres some alien planet who have that very light as a sun. But the essense of the "Tree Falling" question is perspective and from perspectice thing can potentially not exist for you.

Right this second for example, i have music playing quitely and the hum of the computer, now i can't hear the computer over the music so right now there really isn't a hum to hear. Same thing applys for distance. I'm sure that somewhere in the city someone is playing music or watching TV whith the sound at a deaf causing level, but to me it doesn't even exist because i am not there to hear it.

Its all about perspective and experience.

Denying the reality of something you don't perceive may be a fun philosophical trick, but that's all it is :( Having lived through postmodernism, I am not eager to put perspective and relativism on such a high pedestal.
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#43 The_PirateKing
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Kinda.

For all intents and purposes it would not exist as it would just be lightwaves traveling through nothingness.

And thats not by my logic, thats just by logic, If everyone and thing on the world was deaf technically sound would not exist, as it would just be waves in the air.

P.S As flattering as it is, i'm not Jesus Christ.

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~-~So you're talking about the translation our mind makes from waves to sight/ hearing? Well then DUH! If I didn't eat a thing ice cream then I never tasted it. If your computer wasn't hooked up to a monitor then the electric pattern we identify as 1011001... etc. would never be translated into this dancing Pikachu...~-~  ~-~I don't see how this is thread worthy.~-~
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#44 Apollo5000
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[QUOTE="Apollo5000"]

Kinda.

For all intents and purposes it would not exist as it would just be lightwaves traveling through nothingness.

And thats not by my logic, thats just by logic, If everyone and thing on the world was deaf technically sound would not exist, as it would just be waves in the air.

P.S As flattering as it is, i'm not Jesus Christ.

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~-~So you're talking about the translation our mind makes from waves to sight/ hearing? Well then DUH! If I didn't eat a thing ice cream then I never tasted it. If your computer wasn't hooked up to a monitor then the electric pattern we identify as 1011001... etc. would never be translated into this dancing Pikachu...~-~ [ IMG ] Insert Spawn of Evil. [ / IMG ] ~-~I don't see how this is thread worthy.~-~

Though you are agreeing with me in a most strange way. I am going to ignore this post as it had brought the spawn of evil pikawhatshisface and that just makes moot everything you said...

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#45 LJS9502_basic
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I'll never join you! :|

*closes eyes & swings lightsaber frantically*

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It's just a matter of time.....:x

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#46 shadowflume
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i have a question that can help u answer the question. If a Sun explodes, dose it make any noise? If u answer that andyour smart, u will get it. If not, then i will explain it.
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I refuse to listen to anybody who can't spell.
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#48 The_PirateKing
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[QUOTE="The_PirateKing"]~-~So you're talking about the translation our mind makes from waves to sight/ hearing? Well then DUH! If I didn't eat a thing ice cream then I never tasted it. If your computer wasn't hooked up to a monitor then the electric pattern we identify as 1011001... etc. would never be translated into this dancing Pikachu...~-~ [ IMG ] Insert Spawn of Evil. [ / IMG ] ~-~I don't see how this is thread worthy.~-~Apollo5000

Though you are agreeing with me in a most strange way. I am going to ignore this post as it had brought the spawn of evil pikawhatshisface and that just makes moot everything you said...

~-~Yes, I'm agreeing with you, but I'm also asking the TC why this is tread worthy. Maybe I'll go start a thread about how when you drop stuff while close enough to a large enough mass it does something people of the English language calls "fall."~-~
i have a question that can help u answer the question. If a Sun explodes, dose it make any noise? If u answer that andyour smart, u will get it. If not, then i will explain it.shadowflume
~-~I know, if you don't then try and figure out yourself before looking below. (Oh who am I kidding, this is OT, you're going to look. So go ahead and click it.)~-~[spoiler] ~-~No, cuz sound waves don't travel through space.~-~ [/spoiler]
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#49 mastershake575
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a tree falls in the woods and thers no1 ther to hear it, does it make a sound?


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yes of course since when do you have to hear something to prove it happened ?????
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#50 shadowflume
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I refuse to listen to anybody who can't spell.SWTTVGfreak

there, i fixed it.