*spoilers" --- 12 Monkeys + Donnie Darko ---(long read) *spoilers"

Just finished watching both of them. Enjoyed them tremendously. I gotta say normally movies are spoiled for me even though nothing about the storyline is revealed, and that is when people overpraise it and I expect something out of this world...these were exceptions...both of these were up there, definitely amongst my top 20 (Ill let it cool off a bit to include them in my fav 10) there wasnt a tiny bit of dissapointment in both of them.

First was 12 Monkeys, then Donnie. Id like to express my thoughts about them, please let me know yours. I havent checked any Wikipedia or other sources where different theories about the movies are studied, thought it was best to put my own logic and hear what yours right after them (without the wiki or the weird

Now I know how much Donnie Darko means to the rest of you guys, this movie is a gem, it strikes you so hard at the end but at the same time brings a smile upon your face, what we human beings are capable to do, and not exclusively referring ability to defy time and space that I'm still positive we are eventually going to, but to save a person's life instead of getting the most of a lifelong ability we have always pondered. Sacrifice... So captivating.

And just to throw it in maggie gyllenhall has got to be the most beautiful girl in the most original way, theres something about her, aaaahhhh. As you may know my judgement about the movie's plot and how it undergoes is still incomplete, I maybe have 3 or 4 theories mainly similar but different in small key points....

12 Monkeys, this is the first terry gilliam movie I've ever seen, and its by far a sure catapult that'll drive me into the rest of his work. I liked the way how he portrayed the feeling of impotence so intensely. Think of it, lets say you are from the future, you are forced to go back to space to save humanity, and everybody thinks your a psycho... adding to that, you didnt arrive to where you were supposed to, instead you are sometime before. Imagine if in fact a significant part of the hobos we see walking in the streets saying smoked up stufff arent really talking shruberries... what if they come from the future, if in the future there was a time machine, would they make use of it? I know that sounds crazy, but what sounded crazy 300 years ago? Flying? Sending an instantaneous message via a wired network? hearing someones voice from far away?... ok maybe Im going to far... as far as the movie's plot and ending goes, I'm still skeptic about it. But Im pretty sure the ponytail guy from HOUSE spread the vaccine there, and as I told ya havent figured how the virus was spread.... thats my theory

What were your first thoughts?

Just finished watching both of them. Enjoyed them tremendously. I gotta say normally movies are spoiled for me even though nothing about the storyline is revealed, and that is when people overpraise it and I expect something out of this world...these were exceptions...both of these were up there, definitely amongst my top 20 (Ill let it cool off a bit to include them in my fav 10) there wasnt a tiny bit of dissapointment in both of them.

First was 12 Monkeys, then Donnie. Id like to express my thoughts about them, please let me know yours. I havent checked any Wikipedia or other sources where different theories about the movies are studied, thought it was best to put my own logic and hear what yours right after them (without the wiki or the donnie darko cult ive heard exists in the web)

Now I know how much Donnie Darko means to the rest of you guys, this movie is a gem, it strikes you so hard at the end but at the same time brings a smile upon your face, what we human beings are capable to do, and not exclusively referring ability to defy time and space that I'm still positive we are eventually going to, but to save a person's life instead of getting the most of a lifelong ability we have always pondered. Sacrifice... So captivating.

And just to throw it in maggie gyllenhall has got to be the most beautiful girl in the most original way, theres something about her, aaaahhhh. As you may know my judgement about the movie's plot and how it undergoes is still incomplete, I maybe have 3 or 4 theories mainly similar but different in small key points....

12 Monkeys, this is the first terry gilliam movie I've ever seen, and its by far a sure catapult that'll drive me into the rest of his work. I liked the way how he portrayed the feeling of impotence so intensely. Think of it, lets say you are from the future, you are forced to go back to space to save humanity, and everybody thinks your a psycho... adding to that, you didnt arrive to where you were supposed to, instead you are sometime before. Imagine if in fact a significant part of the hobos we see walking in the streets saying smoked up stufff arent really talking shruberries... what if they come from the future, if in the future there was a time machine, would they make use of it? I know that sounds crazy, but what sounded crazy 300 years ago? Flying? Sending an instantaneous message via a wired network? hearing someones voice from far away?... ok maybe Im going to far... as far as the movie's plot and ending goes, I'm still skeptic about it. But Im pretty sure the ponytail guy from HOUSE spread the vaccine there, and as I told ya havent figured how the virus was spread.... thats my theory

What were your first thoughts?

chucholucho

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You coulda just edited the post you know, you're level 20 and have more then 500 posts, you should know how to do that by now!!!

Also, I didn't read your 12 monkeys segment because, I don't know if it's gonna have spoilers in it or not.

Anyway, my thoughts about DD...it's either insanely complex and it's the hardest movie ever to figure out...

-or it's just so simple that despite how many times I've watched this movie, I won't see the obvious until someone points it out to me.

Either way, I love the movie, and it's a work of art! From what I did understand, this is still one of my all time faves.

You coulda just edited the post you know, you're level 20 and have more then 500 posts, you should know how to do that by now!!!

Also, I didn't read your 12 monkeys segment because, I don't know if it's gonna have spoilers in it or not.

Anyway, my thoughts about DD...it's either insanely complex and it's the hardest movie ever to figure out...

-or it's just so simple that despite how many times I've watched this movie, I won't see the obvious until someone points it out to me.

Either way, I love the movie, and it's a work of art! From what I did understand, this is still one of my all time faves.

ElArab

You coulda just edited the post you know, you're level 20 and have more then 500 posts, you should know how to do that by now!!!

Also, I didn't read your 12 monkeys segment because, I don't know if it's gonna have spoilers in it or not.

Anyway, my thoughts about DD...it's either insanely complex and it's the hardest movie ever to figure out...

-or it's just so simple that despite how many times I've watched this movie, I won't see the obvious until someone points it out to me.

Either way, I love the movie, and it's a work of art! From what I did understand, this is still one of my all time faves.

ElArab

pfff my bad I guess...

Thats the exact feeling I have, the sole reason that its hard to understand though I got my own understanding about it impulses me to love this movie

So, what are you asking about Donnie Darko? I didn't really see a question in there. It was a great movie, though.

12 Monkeys was pretty good.

[*spoiler]

Yes, the guy with the ponytail spread the virus. And the little kid that saw him run by and Willis die was Willis when he was a kid.

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Yeah, both movies are great!

BTW, you should definitely check out Memento if you haven't seen it already. That movie is simply amazing as well.

Cellar Door.madmidnight

I didn't get that part :?

Uh the ending to 12 Monkeys made that clear dude.:|LJS9502_basic

I dont think it was clear at all, at least for my first time seing it. Tons of doubts in my mind. Howcome could the guy with the pony tail spread the virus and Joe Cole would still grow up instead of dying from it? He as a kid was directly propense to it. Also, remember the second time Cole dreams about the childhood memory, where Brad Pitt is showed with a ponytail instead of the other actor from a couple of HOUSE episodes? (yes I dunno his name)... I think its way deeper than the obvious "get the bad guy with the virus scenario" I think its much more than that, being that 1 percent of the population survived from it, that one percent probably being from each one of the cities he visited around the world.... thats what I think... what I still dont know is how it was spread, or if brad pitts inclusion in the dream early in the film is just added to simply confuse you or really helps to understand it as a whole... maybe Im overthinking it but all this scenes and logic makes sense for me

[QUOTE="madmidnight"]Cellar Door.DrSponge

I didn't get that part :?

Donnie eventually goes into the cellar.... through the cellar door? i don't think theres much to get.

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[QUOTE="madmidnight"]Cellar Door.mikel222222

I didn't get that part :?

Donnie eventually goes into the cellar.... through the cellar door? i don't think theres much to get.

I know, I meant that I didn't get the part about his English teacher saying it's the most beautiful phrase in the English language. Why is it the most beautiful phrase?

[QUOTE="mikel222222"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]

[QUOTE="madmidnight"]Cellar Door.DrSponge

I didn't get that part :?

Donnie eventually goes into the cellar.... through the cellar door? i don't think theres much to get.

I know, I meant that I didn't get the part about his English teacher saying it's the most beautiful phrase in the English language. Why is it the most beautiful phrase?

Take from it what you will I think. Possibly because the cellar door could be interpreted as a gateway into the unknown?

Edit : Wikipedia says this -

The phrase is mentioned in the 2001 film Donnie Darko during a conversation between Donnie, the film's protagonist, and his English teacher, played by Drew Barrymore. The English teacher states, "A famous linguist once said that of all the phrases in the English language, of all the endless combinations of words in all of history, that cellar door is the most beautiful." This passing reference ends up leading to a crucial plot twist later in the film. In the director's commentary Richard Kelly though unsure of the phrase's origin, mistakenly attributes the phrase to Edgar Allan Poe. It was actually J.R.R. Tolkien.

12 Monkeys was sweet, better than Donnie Darko (I have a feeling I'll get a lot of disagreement from that). SPOILERS AHEAD

My theory on why he kept seeing the character Brad Pitt played, he might've seen that man somewhere else (perhaps on TV after his group released all the animals) and as a kid as young as he was got them confused due to them looking similar.

12 monkeys was a very good movie until it got to the ending, what i didn't like was the fact that the wrus was spread anywaysmlbslugger86

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]12 monkeys was a very good movie until it got to the ending, what i didn't like was the fact that the wrus was spread anywayssoldier-dark

What I still dont understand is how could Cole survive the virus that was spread in the airport. Thats the most powerful (imo) evidence that the bottles had infact the vaccine.

[QUOTE="soldier-dark"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]12 monkeys was a very good movie until it got to the ending, what i didn't like was the fact that the wrus was spread anywayschucholucho

What I still dont understand is how could Cole survive the virus that was spread in the airport. Thats the most powerful (imo) evidence that the bottles had infact the vaccine.

He was one of the lucky ones that the virus didn't kill. Either that, or he wasn't exposed to the virus when it was unleashed. I don't remember that well, but I don't think that airport was poisoned at that time.

Or that the changes one makes in the past lead up to the event that had happened previously. Woah... :o

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Uh the ending to 12 Monkeys made that clear dude.:|chucholucho

I dont think it was clear at all, at least for my first time seing it. Tons of doubts in my mind. Howcome could the guy with the pony tail spread the virus and Joe Cole would still grow up instead of dying from it? He as a kid was directly propense to it. Also, remember the second time Cole dreams about the childhood memory, where Brad Pitt is showed with a ponytail instead of the other actor from a couple of HOUSE episodes? (yes I dunno his name)... I think its way deeper than the obvious "get the bad guy with the virus scenario" I think its much more than that, being that 1 percent of the population survived from it, that one percent probably being from each one of the cities he visited around the world.... thats what I think... what I still dont know is how it was spread, or if brad pitts inclusion in the dream early in the film is just added to simply confuse you or really helps to understand it as a whole... maybe Im overthinking it but all this scenes and logic makes sense for me

He was immune to it....and he imagined Brad Pitt's character as he had met him....and his mind put him in there. Or did you not notice that while he thought Pitt's character was involved...turns out he wasn't. The vials the ponytail dude had WERE the virus.

12 monkeys was a very good movie until it got to the ending, what i didn't like was the fact that the wrus was spread anywaysmlbslugger86

I didnt see what was so bad about that, sad I know, but life doesnt always have happy endings.

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]12 monkeys was a very good movie until it got to the ending, what i didn't like was the fact that the wrus was spread anywaysFilm-Guy

I didnt see what was so bad about that, sad I know, but life doesnt always have happy endings.

They weren't supposed to change events....they needed the pure strain to work on a vaccine or somesuch that would allow them to return above the ground. Notice the scientist from the future was on the plane with the dude that stole the virus? Two vials were missing when they recited the list to Cole.

Terry Gilliam is a great director, shame hollywood doesnt understand his brilliant visions and so they mess with it. He has made some great movies like Brazil, fear and loathing in las vegas, Tideland, The Fisher King, Time bandits and the adventures of baron Munchausen. The Brothers Grimm wasnt that bad either.

Donnie Darko blows.

12 Monkies, however, delivered.

I didn't like Donnie Darko. I found it far too pretentious for it to be enjoyable. Kinda like a depressed emo wrote The Matrix, but that's a pretty bad analogy.

12 Monkeys on the other hand was brilliant and very well written. I enjoyed the twists and turns and the way everything connected in the end. I think it's one of Bruce Willis's greatest films.

I didn't like Donnie Darko. I found it far too pretentious for it to be enjoyable. Kinda like a depressed emo wrote The Matrix, but that's a pretty bad analogy.

12 Monkeys on the other hand was brilliant and very well written. I enjoyed the twists and turns and the way everything connected in the end. I think it's one of Bruce Willis's greatest films.

AirGuitarist87

Agreed 100%. And BTW, Brad Pitt acted his butt off.