Studies have yet to prove Organic food has any real positive health effects..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100524/hl_nm/us_organic_foods

Well title says it all? Thoughts?

Personally I have always been AGAINST the organic movement, because genetically engineered crops and modern agriculture techniques are the only way we can curve starvation.. As well as make regions of teh world like Africa a actual successful agricultural region regardless of its harsh and unpredictable climates and weather.

Some taste better.

We have limited land and water also a population that is out of control genetically enhanced foods is the only way to sustain the growing population. I never bought into the organic movement besides its more expensive.

We have limited land and a population that is out of control genetically enhanced foods is the only way to sustain the growing population. I never bought into the organic movement besides its more expensive.

kidsmelly

Its also the one that comes iwth the bacteria scares.. Organic farms use natural manure as fertilizer, hence why there are at times somenala problems.. You wouldn't think it either, organic foods are often seen as more safe.. But in actuality they use far more dangerous pesticides that were used decades past instead of the newer ones now.

I'm not an organic foods advocate, but it's silly to dismiss it without contrary evidence.

"A 'disappointingly small' number of well-designed studies have looked at whether organic foods may have health benefits beyond their conventional counterparts"

The studies that the article is discussing focused on negligibly higher antioxidant levels in consumers of organic foods, however the health benefits of antioxidants are generally unconfirmed anyway, so that's an irrelevant marker of health so far.

Plus, there are other reasons for eating organic foods besides personal health.

Personally I have always been AGAINST the organic movement, because genetically engineered crops and modern agriculture techniques are the only way we can curve starvation.. As well as make regions of teh world like Africa a actual successful agricultural region regardless of its harsh and unpredictable climates and weather.

sSubZerOo

I agree with you 100%, for once. :P

Without industrialized agriculture, we wouldn't be able to feed America. Gen-seed has proven to be much more resistant to harsh weather, pests, and other things that would normally diminish a crop's yield.

The same goes for the cattle that supply our meat.

But a lot of "tofu eaters" don't want to hear any of this. Organic is good, modern argiculture and genetic engineering = bad. Oh well. Thankfully farmers know best.

Welcome to the real world. There's always a gimmick for every con. Fraud cannot beproven to be fraud if there is a reason to doubt the suspicion. No matter how trivial or ridiculous the reason or reasons may be.

I don't really care about this study about which is more healthy I would like to see how much more environmentally friendly organic is over non-organic that is one of the major selling points to organic that and non-organic can cause diseases is the calim they make.

I live in the agricultural capital of the U.S. and honestly our environment is more damaged due to pollution from cars and and bad air floating from bigger cities and being stuck in our valley than it is due to agriculture.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100524/hl_nm/us_organic_foods

Well title says it all? Thoughts?

Personally I have always been AGAINST the organic movement, because genetically engineered crops and modern agriculture techniques are the only way we can curve starvation.. As well as make regions of teh world like Africa a actual successful agricultural region regardless of its harsh and unpredictable climates and weather.

sSubZerOo

Genetically engineered food is a scary thing. Scientists used to think there was a 1 to 1 relation between a gene and a characteristic, but one gene can control multiple characteristics, and changing one can have unintended side affects. I remember hearing something on the history channel about how genetically engineered corn ended up making people sick and was almost allowed to intermingle with and pollinate safe corn.

World hunger will never be cured.

Genetically engineered food is a scary thing. Scientists used to think there was a 1 to 1 relation between a gene and a characteristic, but one gene can control multiple characteristics, and changing one can have unintended side affects. I remember hearing something on the history channel about how genetically engineered corn ended up making people sick and was almost allowed to intermingle with and pollinate safe corn.

topgunmv

The thing most people don't know is that a majority of our corn and soybean have been genetically modified and its been that way for a couple years now.

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Personally I have always been AGAINST the organic movement, because genetically engineered crops and modern agriculture techniques are the only way we can curve starvation.. As well as make regions of teh world like Africa a actual successful agricultural region regardless of its harsh and unpredictable climates and weather.

airshocker

I agree with you 100%, for once. :P

Without industrialized agriculture, we wouldn't be able to feed America. Gen-seed has proven to be much more resistant to harsh weather, pests, and other things that would normally diminish a crop's yield.

The same goes for the cattle that supply our meat.

But a lot of "tofu eaters" don't want to hear any of this. Organic is good, modern argiculture and genetic engineering = bad. Oh well. Thankfully farmers know best.

I agree, but there are legitimate concerns against genetic engineering.

as someone who eats organic bread...it goes in one way and a couple of hours later it comes out. doesn't stay in too long

they dont have negative effects like a lot of other foods thoughsboyer2

It takes up alot of resources to grow organic. Food supply would be alot lower now if everything was grown organic. Starving people is a negative side effect I think.

I'll pretty much eat whatever, but I sometimes wonder if the fruits and vegetables we eat, which are engineered to be larger and sweeter, are less nutrient-rich, and just have more sugar. In other words, we might be getting less nutrients from the large, colorful, sweet, robust fruits and vegetables engineered today, as opposed to their smaller unengineered organic counterparts.

I agree, but there are legitimate concerns against genetic engineering.

SgtKevali

As there is with anything you try and change the genetic make up of. These seed companies KNOW what they're doing.

[QUOTE="sboyer2"]they dont have negative effects like a lot of other foods thoughkidsmelly

It takes up alot of resources to grow organic. Food supply would be alot lower now if everything was grown organic. Starving people is a negative side effect I think.

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[QUOTE="sboyer2"]they dont have negative effects like a lot of other foods thoughsboyer2

It takes up alot of resources to grow organic. Food supply would be alot lower now if everything was grown organic. Starving people is a negative side effect I think.

Huh? I think starving is bad for your body.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Genetically engineered food is a scary thing. Scientists used to think there was a 1 to 1 relation between a gene and a characteristic, but one gene can control multiple characteristics, and changing one can have unintended side affects. I remember hearing something on the history channel about how genetically engineered corn ended up making people sick and was almost allowed to intermingle with and pollinate safe corn.

kidsmelly

The thing most people don't know is that a majority of our corn and soybean have been genetically modified and its been that way for a couple years now.

I know most of our food is genetically modified. Technically, corn itself is the result of selective breading of certain grain plants. In fact, corn itself is so unnatural that if humans weren't around to plant it, it wouldn't be around after a few decades. I'm just saying that we're playing with fire if we're too careless with genetic engineering.

[QUOTE="kidsmelly"]

We have limited land and a population that is out of control genetically enhanced foods is the only way to sustain the growing population. I never bought into the organic movement besides its more expensive.

sSubZerOo

Its also the one that comes iwth the bacteria scares.. Organic farms use natural manure as fertilizer, hence why there are at times somenala problems.. You wouldn't think it either, organic foods are often seen as more safe.. But in actuality they use far more dangerous pesticides that were used decades past instead of the newer ones now.

Organic farms usually don't use pesticides or herbicides at all. If they do it tends to be insecticides that have very low toxicity when ingested by mammals.

I thought Organic was supposed to be helpful for the enviroment.

I know most of our food is genetically modified. Technically, corn itself is the result of selective breading of certain grain plants. In fact, corn itself is so unnatural that if humans weren't around to plant it, it wouldn't be around after a few decades. I'm just saying that we're playing with fire if we're too careless with genetic engineering.

topgunmv

Yea I agree. But its a dangerous game that we are going to have to play if we are to sustain where the population is at and where it is headed.

Some taste better.

-Iconoclast-

that is less to do with organic, and more to with quality.

The best peach I ever had was on my buddy's orchard in the Central Valley, and it was not organically farmed.

Restaurants pursue organic food simply as bragging rights, but the simple fact their produce is so good is because they get first pick at it (before it goes to stores) and it is used promptly.

The trick to eating good and healthy is to eat local...be a locavore!

I don't buy into the organic food movement personally, though in theory I do support it because it is much better for the environment.

Some taste better.

-Iconoclast-

I'm always confused when I see organic apples, oranges, vegetables. Arn't fruits/vegetables organic by virtue of being fruits/vegetables....?

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[QUOTE="kidsmelly"]

We have limited land and a population that is out of control genetically enhanced foods is the only way to sustain the growing population. I never bought into the organic movement besides its more expensive.

RearNakedChoke

Its also the one that comes iwth the bacteria scares.. Organic farms use natural manure as fertilizer, hence why there are at times somenala problems.. You wouldn't think it either, organic foods are often seen as more safe.. But in actuality they use far more dangerous pesticides that were used decades past instead of the newer ones now.

Organic farms usually don't use pesticides or herbicides at all. If they do it tends to be insecticides that have very low toxicity when ingested by mammals.

Actully THEY DO if they didn't their crops would have tremendous losses due to pests.. And they use older more dangerous pesticides.. Look it up your self.

I don't buy into the organic food movement personally, though in theory I do support it because it is much better for the environment.

_BlueDuck_

A VERY high percentage of the food we send over seas to 3rd world nations as aid is only possible due to Genetic modification.

Organic food has one obvious health advantage in that it costs so much. You wont be able to afford that trip to pick up unhealthy Burger King when you just spent $17 on a jug of milk and a loaf of gluten free organic bread.

Personally I have always been AGAINST the organic movement, because genetically engineered crops and modern agriculture techniques are the only way we can curve starvation.. As well as make regions of teh world like Africa a actual successful agricultural region regardless of its harsh and unpredictable climates and weather.

sSubZerOo

I think it's common sense that they're better for you. If something is all natural and not filled with preservatives and additives, then I'm getting the food, and not tons of extra chemicals in my body.hillelslovak

Food can be modified to contain far more vitamins and minerals then the equivalent unmodified food. I don't think its right to assume that just becuase something is natural that it is somehow better. or somehow less toxic for that matter. Botulinum is natural and you wouldn't injest that.

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Personally I have always been AGAINST the organic movement, because genetically engineered crops and modern agriculture techniques are the only way we can curve starvation.. As well as make regions of teh world like Africa a actual successful agricultural region regardless of its harsh and unpredictable climates and weather.

aransom

From the article : "Organic foods are made without the use of conventional pesticides, synthetic fertilizers, antibiotics or hormones -- which could potentially reap benefits for people's health and the environment."

I'm against organic foods because paying $5 for an apple is just plain dumb. And don't get me started on "range-free" eggs. Wow, a whole two weeks of a chicken's life out of the cage and it is certified as "range-free" and goes for $7-$10 per carton.:|

Alright. Lets clear this up. I don't eat organic foods because it has a positive health effect. I eat them because those food products are better for the environment, and don't contain unnecessary chemicals that the typical commercial food products contain. You're confusing how the media has promoted organic foods in order to make a profit off of easily influenced people who are concerned with their physical appearance.

because genetically engineered crops and modern agriculture techniques are the only way we can curve starvation.. As well as make regions of teh world like Africa a actual successful agricultural region regardless of its harsh and unpredictable climates and weather.

sSubZerOo

I'm against organic foods because paying $5 for an apple is just plain dumb. And don't get me started on "range-free" eggs. Wow, a whole two weeks of a chicken's life out of the cage and it is certified as "range-free" and goes for $7-$10 per carton.:|

QuistisTrepe_

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I'm against organic foods because paying $5 for an apple is just plain dumb. And don't get me started on "range-free" eggs. Wow, a whole two weeks of a chicken's life out of the cage and it is certified as "range-free" and goes for $7-$10 per carton.:|

EMOEVOLUTION

I do grow some of my own stuff. Otherwise I just grab the non-organic produce on the cheap.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

I'm against organic foods because paying $5 for an apple is just plain dumb. And don't get me started on "range-free" eggs. Wow, a whole two weeks of a chicken's life out of the cage and it is certified as "range-free" and goes for $7-$10 per carton.:|

QuistisTrepe_

I do grow some of my own stuff. Otherwise I just grab the non-organic produce on the cheap.

I agree thatGM cropsare going to help more than traditional crops when battling starvation. But I'm all for preservative-free, dye-free, chemical fee food.

I agree thatGM cropsare going to help more than traditional crops when battling starvation. But I'm all for preservative-free, dye-free, chemical fee food.

tocklestein2005