stupid law of the year: louisiana 2nd hand cash transactions law

in the state of louisiana its now illegal to carry out a buisness transaction at 2nd hand (or local) outlets. only major retailers can accept cash (such as say target, bestbuy or walmart).

http://www.klfy.com/story/15717759/second-hand-dealer-law

straight off the pages and to your forum. id give you 10 bucks for your thoughts but i dont want anyone to get arrested over it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrfhjLd9e4

More time and money wasted on another law that won't stand up in court.

I'm sure there are plenty of shady pawn dealers that will still accept and hand out cash for goods.dodgerblue13

[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"]I'm sure there are plenty of shady pawn dealers that will still accept and hand out cash for goods.weezyfb

Wait...they're outlawing the use of cash at non-major retailers? How is that NOT unconstitutional?

I really can't see this law holding up in court but guess how much money will get spent before the law gets cast out!

That is one crap law. doubt it will actually pass.

Wait...they're outlawing the use of cash at non-major retailers? How is that NOT unconstitutional?

airshocker

It probably is, I'm not going to pretend to know every little bit of your constitution but it really seems like there's no way this won't get repealed. That said it hasn't stopped states from passing stupid laws like this in the past that are clearly unconstitutional. The real question is why the hell would they think this is a good idea. It's clearly going to just screw the little guy while putting money in the pockets of the mega-corps. Actually never mind I answered my own question.Ace6301

In a perfect world it wouldn't hurt anybody, but since small business gets shafted with insane merchant fees from credit card companies OFC this is a bad idea. Most places I know don't accept debit or credit cards unless your purchase is over five dollars.

This is a horrible, horrible idea.

That is one crap law. doubt it will actually pass.

ristactionjakso

according to the opinions of many 2nd n 3rd hand sources of news it is basically detined to pass.. and if it does it will be just as poorly followed as the no filming police officers in public nonsense thats been going around recently.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]It probably is, I'm not going to pretend to know every little bit of your constitution but it really seems like there's no way this won't get repealed. That said it hasn't stopped states from passing stupid laws like this in the past that are clearly unconstitutional. The real question is why the hell would they think this is a good idea. It's clearly going to just screw the little guy while putting money in the pockets of the mega-corps. Actually never mind I answered my own question.airshocker

In a perfect world it wouldn't hurt anybody, but since small business gets shafted with insane merchant fees from credit card companies OFC this is a bad idea. Most places I know don't accept debit or credit cards unless your purchase is over five dollars.

This is a horrible, horrible idea.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]It probably is, I'm not going to pretend to know every little bit of your constitution but it really seems like there's no way this won't get repealed. That said it hasn't stopped states from passing stupid laws like this in the past that are clearly unconstitutional. The real question is why the hell would they think this is a good idea. It's clearly going to just screw the little guy while putting money in the pockets of the mega-corps. Actually never mind I answered my own question.airshocker

In a perfect world it wouldn't hurt anybody, but since small business gets shafted with insane merchant fees from credit card companies OFC this is a bad idea. Most places I know don't accept debit or credit cards unless your purchase is over five dollars.

This is a horrible, horrible idea.

indeed

Sounds like there are some lawmakers in Louisiana that need to be removed, violently.

Cash scares the crap out of the government and megacorps because it can't be traced. They don't like the idea of people having that much freedom with their money.

Woah woah wait wait wait. Is it passed and in effect, or is it just proposed? Lots of silly laws are proposed but never get passed.gradientdisc

Glad I don't have to deal with it. I wish the Alabama citizens luck in getting it promptly repealed.mattbbpl

I wish the Louisiana citizens even more luck.

how does that even make sense? Even more odd, I would expect them to make cash no allowed at major retailers, not the other way around.

Isn't that illegal?

I though that, under federal law, you have to accept american currency in the US.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Glad I don't have to deal with it. I wish the Alabama citizens luck in getting it promptly repealed.worlock77

I wish the Louisiana citizens even more luck.

Woah woah wait wait wait. Is it passed and in effect, or is it just proposed? Lots of silly laws are proposed but never get passed.gradientdisc

i believe its gotten pretty close to passed into state law. not sure if its in stone atm though..

Cash scares the crap out of the government and megacorps because it can't be traced. They don't like the idea of people having that much freedom with their money.

dpeter45

This is exactly right and precisely what this is all about. Untraceable transactions promote individual freedom from govt intrusion in to your daily lives.

Quite frankly it surprises me how some of our more liberal, govt-is-good-private-biz-is-bad users on here, and you know who you are, are opposed to this. How do you expect your friendly govt to manage our economy if they cannot track our every transaction?

[QUOTE="dpeter45"]

Cash scares the crap out of the government and megacorps because it can't be traced. They don't like the idea of people having that much freedom with their money.

collegeboy64

This is exactly right and precisely what this is all about. Untraceable transactions promote individual freedom from govt intrusion in to your daily lives.

Quite frankly it surprises me how some of our more liberal, govt-is-good-private-biz-is-bad users on here, and you know who you are, are opposed to this. How do you expect your friendly govt to manage our economy if they cannot track our every transaction?

[QUOTE="dpeter45"]

Cash scares the crap out of the government and megacorps because it can't be traced. They don't like the idea of people having that much freedom with their money.

collegeboy64

This is exactly right and precisely what this is all about. Untraceable transactions promote individual freedom from govt intrusion in to your daily lives.

Quite frankly it surprises me how some of our more liberal, govt-is-good-private-biz-is-bad users on here, and you know who you are, are opposed to this. How do you expect your friendly govt to manage our economy if they cannot track our every transaction?

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="dpeter45"]

Cash scares the crap out of the government and megacorps because it can't be traced. They don't like the idea of people having that much freedom with their money.

mattbbpl

This is exactly right and precisely what this is all about. Untraceable transactions promote individual freedom from govt intrusion in to your daily lives.

Quite frankly it surprises me how some of our more liberal, govt-is-good-private-biz-is-bad users on here, and you know who you are, are opposed to this. How do you expect your friendly govt to manage our economy if they cannot track our every transaction?

Who said anything about complete control? Looking back at my post, I don't see that phrase.

How is the govt supposed to "regulate" if it is unable to track transactions?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

This is exactly right and precisely what this is all about. Untraceable transactions promote individual freedom from govt intrusion in to your daily lives.

Quite frankly it surprises me how some of our more liberal, govt-is-good-private-biz-is-bad users on here, and you know who you are, are opposed to this. How do you expect your friendly govt to manage our economy if they cannot track our every transaction?

collegeboy64

Who said anything about complete control? Looking back at my post, I don't see that phrase.

How is the govt supposed to "regulate" if it is unable to track transactions?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

This is exactly right and precisely what this is all about. Untraceable transactions promote individual freedom from govt intrusion in to your daily lives.

Quite frankly it surprises me how some of our more liberal, govt-is-good-private-biz-is-bad users on here, and you know who you are, are opposed to this. How do you expect your friendly govt to manage our economy if they cannot track our every transaction?

collegeboy64

Who said anything about complete control? Looking back at my post, I don't see that phrase.

How is the govt supposed to "regulate" if it is unable to track transactions?

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Who advocates complete government control of an economy? There are people who believe that certain regulations are beneficial, but that just seems like common sense.LJS9502_basic

Who said anything about complete control? Looking back at my post, I don't see that phrase.

How is the govt supposed to "regulate" if it is unable to track transactions?

Not at all. I just find it ironic that some of our more liberal users here, who are normally all in favor of govt power over individual freedom, are opposed to this.

I do not support this anymore than I support the laws that require banks to report to the govt any cash transaction over $1000. It infuriates me that if I go pull $4000 out of my savings account to buy a car, I am automatically under suspicion from the govt. Simply for accessing my own money to make a legal purchase, my bank must report me to the govt. Total BS.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Who advocates complete government control of an economy? There are people who believe that certain regulations are beneficial, but that just seems like common sense.mattbbpl

Who said anything about complete control? Looking back at my post, I don't see that phrase.

How is the govt supposed to "regulate" if it is unable to track transactions?

But if these people are engaging in cash transactions that prevent the govt from collecting sales tax, shouldn't the govt put a stop to that in order for everyone to "pay their fair share"?

BTW, mainly cash businesses have been the bane of state and local govts for decades. Its always assumed that they report only a fraction of their actual transactions in order to avoid paying the sales tax to the govt. If banning cash transactions keeps these evil richers that own these businesses from avoiding paying "their fair share" in taxes, isn't that a good thing?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Who said anything about complete control? Looking back at my post, I don't see that phrase.

How is the govt supposed to "regulate" if it is unable to track transactions?

collegeboy64

But if these people are engaging in cash transactions that prevent the govt from collecting sales tax, shouldn't the govt put a stop to that in order for everyone to "pay their fair share"?

BTW, mainly cash businesses have been the bane of state and local govts for decades. Its always assumed that they report only a fraction of their actual transactions in order to avoid paying the sales tax to the govt. If banning cash transactions keeps these evil richers that own these businesses from avoiding paying "their fair share" in taxes, isn't that a good thing?

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] That's the implication I took from your broad "govt-is-good-private-biz-is-bad" phrasing. As or your second phrase, I've already stated I'm completely against this bill. It's flat-out ridiculous.mattbbpl

But if these people are engaging in cash transactions that prevent the govt from collecting sales tax, shouldn't the govt put a stop to that in order for everyone to "pay their fair share"?

BTW, mainly cash businesses have been the bane of state and local govts for decades. Its always assumed that they report only a fraction of their actual transactions in order to avoid paying the sales tax to the govt. If banning cash transactions keeps these evil richers that own these businesses from avoiding paying "their fair share" in taxes, isn't that a good thing?

No, I'm not advocating. I'm just pointing out that I see several users, whom I am accustomed to seeing in favor of the govt meddling in all sorts of private transactions among individuals, suddenly expressing outrage over a govt banning a medium of exchangefor certain types of transactions among individuals.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

But if these people are engaging in cash transactions that prevent the govt from collecting sales tax, shouldn't the govt put a stop to that in order for everyone to "pay their fair share"?

BTW, mainly cash businesses have been the bane of state and local govts for decades. Its always assumed that they report only a fraction of their actual transactions in order to avoid paying the sales tax to the govt. If banning cash transactions keeps these evil richers that own these businesses from avoiding paying "their fair share" in taxes, isn't that a good thing?

collegeboy64

No, I'm not advocating. I'm just pointing out that I see several users, whom I am accustomed to seeing in favor of the govt meddling in all sorts of private transactions among individuals, suddenly expressing outrage over a govt banning a medium of exchangefor certain types of transactions among individuals.

I notice you don't deny putting words into other users mouths.

[QUOTE="dpeter45"]

Cash scares the crap out of the government and megacorps because it can't be traced. They don't like the idea of people having that much freedom with their money.

collegeboy64

This is exactly right and precisely what this is all about. Untraceable transactions promote individual freedom from govt intrusion in to your daily lives.

Quite frankly it surprises me how some of our more liberal, govt-is-good-private-biz-is-bad users on here, and you know who you are, are opposed to this. How do you expect your friendly govt to manage our economy if they cannot track our every transaction?

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] It seems to me that you're the one advocating for this bill. Either that or attempting to put words in other people's mouths.worlock77

No, I'm not advocating. I'm just pointing out that I see several users, whom I am accustomed to seeing in favor of the govt meddling in all sorts of private transactions among individuals, suddenly expressing outrage over a govt banning a medium of exchangefor certain types of transactions among individuals.

I notice you don't deny putting words into other users mouths.

I did not see any need to deny what I have obviously not done.

Who's mouth have I put what words in?

That doesn't mean thiefs will stop selling stolen items. When they break the law, they'll break it again. Common knowledge. This whole law is rediculous and I hope it gets repealed. I don't see any good out of this bill.

Are Goodwill and Salvation Army still legal, since many of their items are second hand?Jd1680a

Yes, they're exempt.

What a stupid law made by morons glad it won't affect me in the slightest.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

No, I'm not advocating. I'm just pointing out that I see several users, whom I am accustomed to seeing in favor of the govt meddling in all sorts of private transactions among individuals, suddenly expressing outrage over a govt banning a medium of exchangefor certain types of transactions among individuals.

collegeboy64

I notice you don't deny putting words into other users mouths.

I did not see any need to deny what I have obviously not done.

Who's mouth have I put what words in?

This is a SCARY law. It basically bans most Craigslist transactions, garage sales, 2nd-hand cash vehicle sales, etc.. Somebody is obviously trying to make it so the government can track ALL sales.

What a stupid law made by morons glad it won't affect me in the slightest.

Communist_Soul

Just wait till it hits your state.. if you live in the US.

i see nothing wrong with this, why would retailers or the state itself for that matter want you to sell something in their stores to someone else? frankly this should be common sense to start with-DirtySanchez-

I think you should consider the broader implications of this law. Basically anybody who sells things on Craigslist for cash more than once a month is going to be considered a "vendor." Anybody who has a garage sale and accepts cash is going to be considered a "vendor." This is a law bannings things like this.

[QUOTE="-DirtySanchez-"]i see nothing wrong with this, why would retailers or the state itself for that matter want you to sell something in their stores to someone else? frankly this should be common sense to start withhartsickdiscipl

I think you should consider the broader implications of this law. Basically anybody who sells things on Craigslist for cash more than once a month is going to be considered a "vendor." Anybody who has a garage sale and accepts cash is going to be considered a "vendor." This is a law bannings things like this.