Sure, the dark knight rises had a lot of issues, but...

What about this from Batman begins? I never noticed that. This is very depressing.

"The league of shadows had the perfect plan to destroy Gotham. By sneaking-in a toxin in the water supplies for weeks before revealing their machine and its purpose, their tactical supremacy was everything but challenged. That is.... unless a single person out of the millions of Gothamers used boiled water in the past few months. But what are the odds of any of them taking daily showers and cooking food ? Exactly. None."

Batman Begins is the worst/least popular and epic of the 3 Nolan Batman movies so it gets less hate/less problems talked about.

Batman Begins is the worst/least popular and epic of the 3 Nolan Batman movies so it gets less hate/less problems talked about.

mitu123

Batman Begins is great IMO, they are all impossible to rank. They are all so varying.

Batman Begins is great IMO, they are all impossible to rank. They are all so varying.

brucewayne69

Batman Begins is great IMO, they are all impossible to rank. They are all so varying.

brucewayne69

TDKR was a huge disappointment. The stupid fight between cops vs thugs ruined it for me. Nothing will ever beat that scene in stupidity...

for me TDK > BB >>> TDKR

The only good things in TDKR were Bane and Catwoman. I didnt even like Batman in this movie. Sounded too much like a emo. And the ending was idiotic and predictable. Trust me, I'm not hating it because its cool to hate, in fact I'm one of the few that defends CoD games when biasely attacked, but TDKR is a really mediocre movie

TDK set the bar so high it was almost impossible for TDKR to not get some hate.

Although, I did think the first half of the movie moved extremely slow.

TDKR was a huge disappointment. The stupid fight between cops vs thugs ruined it for me. Nothing will ever beat that scene in stupidity...

for me TDK > BB >>> TDKR

The only good things in TDKR were Bane and Catwoman. I didnt even like Batman in this movie. Sounded too much like a emo. And the ending was idiotic and predictable. Trust me, I'm not hating it because its cool to hate, in fact I'm one of the few that defends CoD games when biasely attacked, but TDKR is a really mediocre movie

4dr1el

that scene was pretty stupid. i mean, why would they mindlessly charge into an army of armed thugs? it seemed like something outta ww1.

but apart from that, the only other criticism of tdkr i can think of at the moment is that too much stuff happened given the short (speaking in relative terms) amount of time in the film; seems like nolan tried to fit too many sequences in tdkr for its own good. still a great movie movie, imo. i'd rank nolan's batman films like this: tdk>tdkr>bb

Batman begins was good til he became batman. Then it was pretty routine from there.

TDKR was at least close to being a good movie, it was a let-down but wasn't bad.

What about this from Batman begins? I never noticed that. This is very depressing.

"The league of shadows had the perfect plan to destroy Gotham. By sneaking-in a toxin in the water supplies for weeks before revealing their machine and its purpose, their tactical supremacy was everything but challenged. That is.... unless a single person out of the millions of Gothamers used boiled water in the past few months. But what are the odds of any of them taking daily showers and cooking food ? Exactly. None."

IronBeaver

It was alright, but I will never compare it to the Dark Knight or the DKRGhettoBlastin92

OT is still talking about TDKR? Really? Swanogt19

Still...TDK>BB>TDKR

This is what I want to know. WHY HAS EVERY SUPER HERO MOVIE UP UNTIL THIS POINT HAVE GOTTEN A PASS? I have never seen an action movie that was this incredible get so much scrutiny before.

His recovery was one of the worse character development scenes I have seen in a long time.. sSubZerOo

Biggest issue for me with The Dark Knight Rises is definitely Bane's voice. Such a strange sound, and it always sounds like his voice is narrarating the movie, rather than coming out of a mask.

I thought Batman Begins was entertaining. Haven't watched it in a year, so I'm gunna have to watch it again sooner or later.

The Dark Knight is definitely my favorite out of all 3, maybe The Dark Knight Rises second, but Batman Begins being third doesn't mean I'm saying it was a bad/horrible movie, just not my favorite lol.

This is what I want to know. WHY HAS EVERY SUPER HERO MOVIE UP UNTIL THIS POINT HAVE GOTTEN A PASS? I have never seen an action movie that was this incredible get so much scrutiny before.

champion837

Batman's survival at the end pissed me right the hell off. His inexplicable and unexpected repair of the auto-pilot is just stupid... Especially when they didn't show him leaving the air vehicle...Also, the camera clearly zoomed right into his face and he had an expression of "I'm going to die, but it's worth it" on his face.

Then suddenly at the very end he somehow survives?!?!? F*** that. All of that build-up was for nothing then. What a terrible ending.

I was also wondering why the would-be-Robin cop was getting so much camera time. I just wanted him to go away midway through the movie, especially his investigation scenes. A completely new character in an established trilogy should probably not be getting ~45 minutes of camera time...

Batman Begins was a bit of a forgotten movie to me once The Dark Knight came out. It just felt so different. Both TDR and TDKR seem like they don't belong to Begins, somehow. As it was a great movie, I think my favorite of the trilogy is The Dark Knight. I've seen Rises twice now in theaters (and I've watched certain scenes several times from leaked cams. I know, I'm a monster). While I did absolutely loved every minute of it, something was missing. Maybe it was too much? Too many sub plots cramped into nearly 3 hours?

Here's what I really like about the whole trilogy itself;

Batman Begins: This is Bruce Wayne's story. We also see Batman being created. There's a lot of character development going on.

The Dark Knight: Batman's first true challenge as a hero. The Joker. Not exactly a dumb fella at all.

The Dark Knight Rises: Where Batman actually gets his butt kicked and learns to pick himself up again.

Each movie felt new and refreshing. Damn, I'm tired. I'm going to bed... lol

TDKR was better then TDK imo. TDK imo had major pacing issues. I felt like the movie ended like 3 or more times but kept going.

Batman Begins was a bit of a forgotten movie to me once The Dark Knight came out. It just felt so different. Both TDR and TDKR seem like they don't belong to Begins, somehow. As it was a great movie, I think my favorite of the trilogy is The Dark Knight. I've seen Rises twice now in theaters (and I've watched certain scenes several times from leaked cams. I know, I'm a monster). While I did absolutely loved every minute of it, something was missing. Maybe it was too much? Too many sub plots cramped into nearly 3 hours?

Here's what I really like about the whole trilogy itself;

Batman Begins: This is Bruce Wayne's story. We also see Batman being created. There's a lot of character development going on.

The Dark Knight: Batman's first true challenge as a hero. The Joker. Not exactly a dumb fella at all.

The Dark Knight Rises: Where Batman actually gets his butt kicked and learns to pick himself up again.

Each movie felt new and refreshing. Damn, I'm tired. I'm going to bed... lol

Amster_G

Batman's survival at the end pissed me right the hell off. His inexplicable and unexpected repair of the auto-pilot is just stupid... Especially when they didn't show him leaving the air vehicle...Also, the camera clearly zoomed right into his face and he had an expression of "I'm going to die, but it's worth it" on his face.

Then suddenly at the very end he somehow survives?!?!? F*** that. All of that build-up was for nothing then. What a terrible ending.

I was also wondering why the would-be-Robin cop was getting so much camera time. I just wanted him to go away midway through the movie, especially his investigation scenes. A completely new character in an established trilogy should probably not be getting ~45 minutes of camera time...

david465

OT is still talking about TDKR? Really? Swanogt19

TDKR is the worst as its by far the least focused and refined story by far in the series. BB & TDK both had great structure, TDKR was a mess that was 2-3 movies sown together(parts from those 2-3 movies were amazing though).

For instance WHY DID BATMAN HAVE TO RISE TWICE FROM 1 MOVIE!!!!! It was to unfocused and several parts were just wasted time. The whole I created fusion energy, but oh no it can be made into a bomb so I must hide it plot was stupid. Bruce there are these things called nukes, THEY ALREADY EXIST! You know what doesn't, clean fusion energy. Getting a black market/stolen nuke would make so much more sense and take less time.

And Talia was by far rhe worst villain in the series. I hate my father, but will commit a suicidal attack to get revenge. HIS ORIGINAL PLAN NEVER INVOLVED SUICIDE, WHY MUST YOURS!!!!

And why not mention the Joker at all. Oh Harvey Dent this, Oh Harvey Dent that, WHAT ABOUT THE JOKER!!!:evil:

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Also, the toxin in the water in BB was only effective in a gaseous state, and in bulk dosage.

If it would make 1 person crazzy early, that would not be too odd or destructive(Gotham's full of creeps after all). Their plan relied on making the whole city lose it at once.

And why not mention the Joker at all. Oh Harvey Dent this, Oh Harvey Dent that, WHAT ABOUT THE JOKER!!!dercoo

This decision was made by Nolan himself out of respect for Heath Ledger. I believe it was because of how it would seem a bit inappropriate to mention/reveal a character whose actor no longer lives.

If it would make 1 person crazzy early, that would not be too odd or destructive(Gotham's full of creeps after all). Their plan relied on making the whole city lose it at once.

dercoo

But people are inhaling water vapor allll the time. Thats what the question is saying. Within hours of it going into the water system people would be freaking out on a conspicious level all over the place.

I enjoyed TDKR slightly more than TDK, mainly because I really enjoyed how they made Bruce look human by having him weak for most of the movie. I also enjoyed the Bane and Catwoman characters a lot. I believe with Bruce dying at the end of the movie, it would have ended with a very stron closing point. The way Nolan ended it just screams for a sequel. I was disappointed in this, but I did enjoy the movie quite a lot. I also laughed at the cast being most of the Inception cast. At some points like where Marion Cotillard was dying and talking, I half expected the camera to turn to a crying Leonardo DiCaprio.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]And why not mention the Joker at all. Oh Harvey Dent this, Oh Harvey Dent that, WHAT ABOUT THE JOKER!!!Amster_G

This decision was made by Nolan himself out of respect for Heath Ledger. I believe it was because of how it would seem a bit inappropriate to mention/reveal a character whose actor no longer lives.

I know that was his decision, but it was an idiotic one. Its more disrespectful to gloss over the best performance given in the entire series like it never existed.

Not saying their should have been a cameo/replacement actor(that would have been too much) but a line or two focused on Gotham's greatist villian was needed and/or a flashback mention.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

If it would make 1 person crazzy early, that would not be too odd or destructive(Gotham's full of creeps after all). Their plan relied on making the whole city lose it at once.

IronBeaver

But people are inhaling water vapor allll the time. Thats what the question is saying. Within hours of it going into the water system people would be freaking out on a conspicious level all over the place.

They are getting some vapors, but not allot.

The drug like alcohol. In small dosesits unnoticeable. But in large overdoses(like when all the city's water supply being turned to vapor) it becomes effective.

And if for some odd reason(person having 5 vaporizers going at once to get rid of a cold) and he went crazy/fearful that would not seem too odd for Gotham.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

If it would make 1 person crazzy early, that would not be too odd or destructive(Gotham's full of creeps after all). Their plan relied on making the whole city lose it at once.

IronBeaver

But people are inhaling water vapor allll the time. Thats what the question is saying. Within hours of it going into the water system people would be freaking out on a conspicious level all over the place.

They are getting some vapors, but not allot.

The drug like alcohol. In small dosesits unnoticeable. But in large overdoses(like when all the city's water supply being turned to vapor) it becomes effective.

And if for some odd reason(person having 5 vaporizers going at once to get rid of a cold) and he went crazy/fearful that would not seem too odd for Gotham.

Nolan's entire trilogy is riddled with plot holes, especially 'The Dark Knight', which makes it so baffling that I've seen some people still worship that film but then turn around and complain about some of the unexplained parts of 'The Dark Knight Rises'. SaintLeonidas

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Nolan's entire trilogy is riddled with plot holes, especially 'The Dark Knight', which makes it so baffling that I've seen some people still worship that film but then turn around and complain about some of the unexplained parts of 'The Dark Knight Rises'. DaJuicyMan

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Nolan's entire trilogy is riddled with plot holes, especially 'The Dark Knight', which makes it so baffling that I've seen some people still worship that film but then turn around and complain about some of the unexplained parts of 'The Dark Knight Rises'. SaintLeonidas

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Nolan's entire trilogy is riddled with plot holes, especially 'The Dark Knight', which makes it so baffling that I've seen some people still worship that film but then turn around and complain about some of the unexplained parts of 'The Dark Knight Rises'. SaintLeonidas

could you elaborate? been a while since i've seen the film, so i'm curious

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] TDK has plot holes?rocinante_

could you elaborate? been a while since i've seen the film, so i'm curious

1) How the hell did the Joker escape the bank in thebeginning? The bus he was in just happened to pull out at the exact time a gap in the line of buses was driving by? How did no one in the buses or surrounding the bank see the bus, covered in debris from the bank, pulling out. Was the driver in the bus behind it blind?

2) How exactly did Batman and Rachel survive the fall from Wayne's apartment? His cape only barely opens towards the very end of the fall, hardly enough to slow his descentto be perfectly fine after landing on the car. And what the hell happened with The Joker after this scene? One moment he is holding everyone in Waynes place hostage, Batman jumps out the window leaving him there, then it cuts to another scene where everythingis "fine". Did the Joker just leave everyone there? Wasnt like he was finished looking for Harvey Dent, the main reason he was there. Also how did he leave? The back door? After knowing Rachel was safe why didn't Batman immediately return to try to find the Joker?

3) Jokers entire "plan" on getting caught makes no sense. They claim he "wanted to get caught"....huh? The only reason he got caught was because Gordon was still alive, the Joker didn't know this, he had no way of knowing Gordon would be there to capture him. Had Gordon not been alive the Joker had Batman there on the ground, who knows what could have happened. Also when he is in the police station, how the hell does the Joker survive an explosion that knocks out every cop in the station?

4) How the hell did Two Face, after getting severe burns, his eye barely being held into his damn socket, survive a car crash, that was suppose to kill everyone else in the car? How was he even able to function with that pain? How did he leave the hospital before the explosion, the hospital that was surrounded by cops trying to evacuate people?

5) How did Bruce manage to get into Hong Kong? How did he get his suit there with him? Are we suppose to believe all that stuff fit in the small dufflebag he threw in the water? How did he scale that building without getting caught? Are we to really believe the Chinese government would allow an undocumentedplane to fly over a major city like that? If it was documented, how did Bruce manage to hire these guys? Did he do it as Batman, because they would know it was him. Furthermore, how the hell did Batman manage to sneak a guy back into the country?

Those are just the ones that come to mind. Both films had a lot of plotholes. Neither were perfect. So I can't see how people can ignore such blatant holes in one film, yet complain about the plotholes in another.

Biggest issue for me with The Dark Knight Rises is definitely Bane's voice. Such a strange sound, and it always sounds like his voice is narrarating the movie, rather than coming out of a mask.jesuschristmonk

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] LMAO, I can only hope that was sarcasm. SaintLeonidas

could you elaborate? been a while since i've seen the film, so i'm curious

1) How the hell did the Joker escape the bank in thebeginning? The bus he was in just happened to pull out at the exact time a gap in the line of buses was driving by? How did no one in the buses or surrounding the bank see the bus, covered in debris from the bank, pulling out. Was the driver in the bus behind it blind?

2) How exactly did Batman and Rachel survive the fall from Wayne's apartment? His cape only barely opens towards the very end of the fall, hardly enough to slow his descentto be perfectly fine after landing on the car. And what the hell happened with The Joker after this scene? One moment he is holding everyone in Waynes place hostage, Batman jumps out the window leaving him there, then it cuts to another scene where everythingis "fine". Did the Joker just leave everyone there? Wasnt like he was finished looking for Harvey Dent, the main reason he was there. Also how did he leave? The back door? After knowing Rachel was safe why didn't Batman immediately return to try to find the Joker?

3) Jokers entire "plan" on getting caught makes no sense. They claim he "wanted to get caught"....huh? The only reason he got caught was because Gordon was still alive, the Joker didn't know this, he had no way of knowing Gordon would be there to capture him. Had Gordon not been alive the Joker had Batman there on the ground, who knows what could have happened. Also when he is in the police station, how the hell does the Joker survive an explosion that knocks out every cop in the station?

4) How the hell did Two Face, after getting severe burns, his eye barely being held into his damn socket, survive a car crash, that was suppose to kill everyone else in the car? How was he even able to function with that pain? How did he leave the hospital before the explosion, the hospital that was surrounded by cops trying to evacuate people?

5) How did Bruce manage to get into Hong Kong? How did he get his suit there with him? Are we suppose to believe all that stuff fit in the small dufflebag he threw in the water? How did he scale that building without getting caught? Are we to really believe the Chinese government would allow an undocumentedplane to fly over a major city like that? If it was documented, how did Bruce manage to hire these guys? Did he do it as Batman, because they would know it was him. Furthermore, how the hell did Batman manage to sneak a guy back into the country?

Those are just the ones that come to mind. Both films had a lot of plotholes. Neither were perfect. So I can't see how people can ignore such blatant holes in one film, yet complain about the plotholes in another.

TDKR was better then TDK imo. TDK imo had major pacing issues. I felt like the movie ended like 3 or more times but kept going.

finalfantasy94

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] LMAO, I can only hope that was sarcasm. SaintLeonidas

could you elaborate? been a while since i've seen the film, so i'm curious

1) How the hell did the Joker escape the bank in thebeginning? The bus he was in just happened to pull out at the exact time a gap in the line of buses was driving by? How did no one in the buses or surrounding the bank see the bus, covered in debris from the bank, pulling out. Was the driver in the bus behind it blind?

2) How exactly did Batman and Rachel survive the fall from Wayne's apartment? His cape only barely opens towards the very end of the fall, hardly enough to slow his descentto be perfectly fine after landing on the car. And what the hell happened with The Joker after this scene? One moment he is holding everyone in Waynes place hostage, Batman jumps out the window leaving him there, then it cuts to another scene where everythingis "fine". Did the Joker just leave everyone there? Wasnt like he was finished looking for Harvey Dent, the main reason he was there. Also how did he leave? The back door? After knowing Rachel was safe why didn't Batman immediately return to try to find the Joker?

3) Jokers entire "plan" on getting caught makes no sense. They claim he "wanted to get caught"....huh? The only reason he got caught was because Gordon was still alive, the Joker didn't know this, he had no way of knowing Gordon would be there to capture him. Had Gordon not been alive the Joker had Batman there on the ground, who knows what could have happened. Also when he is in the police station, how the hell does the Joker survive an explosion that knocks out every cop in the station?

4) How the hell did Two Face, after getting severe burns, his eye barely being held into his damn socket, survive a car crash, that was suppose to kill everyone else in the car? How was he even able to function with that pain? How did he leave the hospital before the explosion, the hospital that was surrounded by cops trying to evacuate people?

5) How did Bruce manage to get into Hong Kong? How did he get his suit there with him? Are we suppose to believe all that stuff fit in the small dufflebag he threw in the water? How did he scale that building without getting caught? Are we to really believe the Chinese government would allow an undocumentedplane to fly over a major city like that? If it was documented, how did Bruce manage to hire these guys? Did he do it as Batman, because they would know it was him. Furthermore, how the hell did Batman manage to sneak a guy back into the country?

Those are just the ones that come to mind. Both films had a lot of plotholes. Neither were perfect. So I can't see how people can ignore such blatant holes in one film, yet complain about the plotholes in another.

I think your confusing plot hole for movie-ality.

The only potential plot hole on that list is 3.

The rest come from the movie not being "realistic" enough which

A:Not needed, its fiction.

B:Not a plot hole.

[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] LMAO, I can only hope that was sarcasm. SaintLeonidas

could you elaborate? been a while since i've seen the film, so i'm curious

Dark Knigt Rises has a lot of issues?

I thought it was a great movie. Sure Bane is not as great of a villian as Joker, but it was still an amazing movie nonetheless. Batman Begins was also quite good as well.