Tampering with the speed time theory when driving.

I was in my religion class and the professor was talking about higher power and science. So he mentioned how when you're driving more than 90mph time slows down. Your watch can say a certain time but the real time is different. What's all this about? I asked him and he said yeah it's true. When you're on a plane doesn't he plane travel at like 500mph or so. Does that mean time is super slow then or something? how does it work? i kind of want to try it on the track with my car

As far as I know you need to be travelling at or faster than the speed of light for it to have any effect on time. I think your professor might just be smoking too much of the wacky tobacky.

You'll need a pair of atomic clocks that measure seconds down to the umpteenth decimal place to detect a change, but yeah, it's true.

at much, much, MUCH higher speeds.

Not 90mph

There is no such thing as time, why do you want to chase it? It's a state of mind, to identify time you need two events- a preceding and a succeeding one.

There is no such thing as time, why do you want to chase it? It's a state of mind, to identify time you need two events- a preceding and a succeeding one.

Blubadox

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There is no such thing as time, why do you want to chase it? It's a state of mind, to identify time you need two events- a preceding and a succeeding one.

Brainkiller05

No offense, but maybe you don't know as much as I do. I can explain more if you want, just PM me.

This is exactly what Einstein is famous for. As speed increases, time slows. Eipstomological evidence is seen in sattelites orbiting the planet. They travel at a different rate of time than the surface of the Earth does and need to be adjusted to work in unison with ground based posts.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7158/abs/nature06071.html

So what does the theory of relativity have to do with religion?

There is no such thing as time, why do you want to chase it? It's a state of mind, to identify time you need two events- a preceding and a succeeding one.

Blubadox

This is exactly what Einstein is famous for. As speed increases, time slows. Eipstomological evidence is seen in sattelites orbiting the planet. They travel at a different rate of time than the surface of the Earth does and need to be adjusted to work in unison with ground based posts.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7158/abs/nature06071.html

BumFluff122

So lets say I take a high performing sports car to its top speed of lets say 200mph, will time slow down by at least say .5 seconds or something?

Your teacher is a fool. Everyone knows it's 88mph, not 90 8)

Time slows down when you approach the speed of light, I don't think it's at 90 mph..0Tyler0

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="Blubadox"]

There is no such thing as time, why do you want to chase it? It's a state of mind, to identify time you need two events- a preceding and a succeeding one.

Blubadox

No offense, but maybe you don't know as much as I do. I can explain more if you want, just PM me.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

This is exactly what Einstein is famous for. As speed increases, time slows. Eipstomological evidence is seen in sattelites orbiting the planet. They travel at a different rate of time than the surface of the Earth does and need to be adjusted to work in unison with ground based posts.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7158/abs/nature06071.html

LegitGamer3212

So lets say I take a high performing sports car to its top speed of lets say 200mph, will time slow down by at least say .5 seconds or something?

at much, much, MUCH higher speeds.

Not 90mph

Colin1192

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

There is no such thing as time, why do you want to chase it? It's a state of mind, to identify time you need two events- a preceding and a succeeding one.

BumFluff122

Time, Space and Cause are really interconnected and interwoven, they do not really exist. Define space? you can identify space only when there is something that occupies it otherwise you cannot even imagine space alone, if space is nothing why travel through something that's nothing, if space is a gap- a gap between what? In the same manner, time is also a superficial state of mind to identify events, there cannot be absolute time because it is limited by the state of mind, so observation is a limitation in itself.

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

This is exactly what Einstein is famous for. As speed increases, time slows. Eipstomological evidence is seen in sattelites orbiting the planet. They travel at a different rate of time than the surface of the Earth does and need to be adjusted to work in unison with ground based posts.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7158/abs/nature06071.html

BumFluff122

So lets say I take a high performing sports car to its top speed of lets say 200mph, will time slow down by at least say .5 seconds or something?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

There is no such thing as time, why do you want to chase it? It's a state of mind, to identify time you need two events- a preceding and a succeeding one.

Blubadox

Time, Space and Cause are really interconnected and interwoven, they do not really exist. Define space? you can identify space only when there is something that occupies it otherwise you cannot even imagine space alone, if space is nothing why travel through something that's nothing, if space is a gap- a gap between what? In the same manner, time is also a superficial state of mind to identify events, there cannot be absolute time because it is limited by the state of mind, so observation is a limitation in itself.

So lets say I take a high performing sports car to its top speed of lets say 200mph, will time slow down by at least say .5 seconds or something?

LegitGamer3212

dt' = dt / sqrt(1- v^2 / c^2)

So, if I'm doing my math right... at 200 mph, you'd need to maintain that speed for at least 1.2e13 seconds (roughly 380,000 years) to accumulate a half second difference.

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Time is described as the rate of change. IF there is no such thing as time, then you are saying that we live in a static universe. If we live in a static universe how are you reading this?

xaos

Time, Space and Cause are really interconnected and interwoven, they do not really exist. Define space? you can identify space only when there is something that occupies it otherwise you cannot even imagine space alone, if space is nothing why travel through something that's nothing, if space is a gap- a gap between what? In the same manner, time is also a superficial state of mind to identify events, there cannot be absolute time because it is limited by the state of mind, so observation is a limitation in itself.

Well, your generic thinking will get you a job.

Well, your generic thinking will get you a job.

Blubadox

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

There is no such thing as time, why do you want to chase it? It's a state of mind, to identify time you need two events- a preceding and a succeeding one.

Blubadox

Time, Space and Cause are really interconnected and interwoven, they do not really exist. Define space? you can identify space only when there is something that occupies it otherwise you cannot even imagine space alone, if space is nothing why travel through something that's nothing, if space is a gap- a gap between what? In the same manner, time is also a superficial state of mind to identify events, there cannot be absolute time because it is limited by the state of mind, so observation is a limitation in itself.

You are attempting to use philosphical arguments against epistomolical facts. Space is defined as something that is occupied OR that can be occupied. You are making assumptions based off your own definition. Space is not 'tnohing' Space is not a gap between anything. Time isn't dependent on mind. Time is dependant on change. Why bring philosphical arguments into a scientific discussion?

BumFluff122

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You are attempting to use philosphical arguments against epistomolical facts. Space is defined as something that is occupied OR that can be occupied. You are making assumptions based off your own definition. Space is not 'tnohing' Space is not a gap between anything. Time isn't dependent on mind. Time is dependant on change. Why bring philosphical arguments into a scientific discussion?

xaos

You are attempting to use philosphical arguments against epistomolical facts. Space is defined as something that is occupied OR that can be occupied. You are making assumptions based off your own definition. Space is not 'tnohing' Space is not a gap between anything. Time isn't dependent on mind. Time is dependant on change. Why bring philosphical arguments into a scientific discussion?

BumFluff122

Why do you say it's philosophical? Can't you think independently, you come here and paste definitions of what you've learned in school, you might as well link us to wiki then we'll get a thorough view upon it. It no way highlights your intelligence, you are just quoting some geniuses and their theories. Believe me, if I quote realities of Quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement, everyone will be bored to death.

Seriously though, I would really like to hear how this connects to religion.

Also, @ Bum Fluff, what kind of courses do you have to take to learn about relativity at that level? I imagine physics, but are we talking a dedicated major or is this the kind of thing that is in a more basic physics class.

Why do you say it's philosophical? Can't you think independently, you come here and paste definitions of what you've learned in school, you might as well link us to wiki then we'll get a thorough view upon it. It no way highlights your intelligence, you are just quoting some geniuses and their theories. Believe me, if I quote realities of Quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement, everyone will be bored to death.

Blubadox

It is true that when objects approach the speed of light, time slows. However because the speed of light is 300.000km/s (approximation) and this effect is not even linear. I thought the decrease in actual/observed time was exponential, this effect cannot be observed by humans or ordinary watches when driving 80 miles an hour.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

You are attempting to use philosphical arguments against epistomolical facts. Space is defined as something that is occupied OR that can be occupied. You are making assumptions based off your own definition. Space is not 'tnohing' Space is not a gap between anything. Time isn't dependent on mind. Time is dependant on change. Why bring philosphical arguments into a scientific discussion?

Blubadox

Why do you say it's philosophical? Can't you think independently, you come here and paste definitions of what you've learned in school, you might as well link us to wiki then we'll get a thorough view upon it. It no way highlights your intelligence, you are just quoting some geniuses and their theories. Believe me, if I quote realities of Quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement, everyone will be bored to death.

As someone who majored in physics, various New Age-tinged misreadings of quantum mechanics and relativity are a long-standing pet peeve of mine. while I didn't originally devise things like relativity, I do understand the mathematical derivation of it. As for quantum mechanics, there is currently no mechanistic explanation for most of it, just mathematical models and empirical observation that define it. As such, math and empirical study are the only tools that expose any information about these phenomena thusfar. Unless you have mathematical models with predictive value or reproducible experiments to support your speculation, it most certainly is philosophical, or sophistryxaos

Philosophical or not, I don't side any subjects of study, it doesn't make the information less true.

[QUOTE="xaos"]

As someone who majored in physics, various New Age-tinged misreadings of quantum mechanics and relativity are a long-standing pet peeve of mine. while I didn't originally devise things like relativity, I do understand the mathematical derivation of it. As for quantum mechanics, there is currently no mechanistic explanation for most of it, just mathematical models and empirical observation that define it. As such, math and empirical study are the only tools that expose any information about these phenomena thusfar. Unless you have mathematical models with predictive value or reproducible experiments to support your speculation, it most certainly is philosophical, or sophistryBlubadox

Philosophical or not, I don't side any subjects of study, it doesn't make the information less true.

Seriously though, I would really like to hear how this connects to religion.

Also, @ Bum Fluff, what kind of courses do you have to take to learn about relativity at that level? I imagine physics, but are we talking a dedicated major or is this the kind of thing that is in a more basic physics class.

Frattracide

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/5001

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[QUOTE="xaos"]

As someone who majored in physics, various New Age-tinged misreadings of quantum mechanics and relativity are a long-standing pet peeve of mine. while I didn't originally devise things like relativity, I do understand the mathematical derivation of it. As for quantum mechanics, there is currently no mechanistic explanation for most of it, just mathematical models and empirical observation that define it. As such, math and empirical study are the only tools that expose any information about these phenomena thusfar. Unless you have mathematical models with predictive value or reproducible experiments to support your speculation, it most certainly is philosophical, or sophistryxaos

Philosophical or not, I don't side any subjects of study, it doesn't make the information less true.

That time is a state of mind, your mind itself is too limited to define absolute space and time, that's why you can never answer that question. So every theory bound by that limitation is also not perfectly true or factual.

Hmm... I do notice that whenever I fly by plane, the two hour flight seems to take a lifetime. Longer is there's a baby nearby.

That time is a state of mind, your mind itself is too limited to define absolute space and time, that's why you can never answer that question. So every theory bound by that limitation is also not perfectly true or factual.

Blubadox

I was in my religion class and the professor was talking about higher power and science. So he mentioned how when you're driving more than 90mph time slows down. Your watch can say a certain time but the real time is different. What's all this about? I asked him and he said yeah it's true. When you're on a plane doesn't he plane travel at like 500mph or so. Does that mean time is super slow then or something? how does it work? i kind of want to try it on the track with my car

LegitGamer3212

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

That time is a state of mind, your mind itself is too limited to define absolute space and time, that's why you can never answer that question. So every theory bound by that limitation is also not perfectly true or factual.

xaos

Again you are limited by your mind. "physical universe" as you call is it is nothing but quantum particles arranged itself in a certain shape, your observation then is limited by the size of your body, electron microscope, telecope and the reactions in your mind, don't observe universe as a 3rd person, you are the part of that system.

Again you are limited by your mind. "physical universe" as you call is it is nothing but quantum particles arranged itself in a certain shape, your observation then is limited by the size of your body, electron microscope, telecope and the reactions in your mind, don't observe universe as a 3rd person, you are the part of that system.

Blubadox

Does anyone else get turned on when Xaos starts being all intelligent and stuff?clayron

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Blubadox"]

That time is a state of mind, your mind itself is too limited to define absolute space and time, that's why you can never answer that question. So every theory bound by that limitation is also not perfectly true or factual.

Blubadox

Again you are limited by your mind. "physical universe" as you call is it is nothing but quantum particles arranged itself in a certain shape, your observation then is limited by the size of your body, electron microscope, telecope and the reactions in your mind, don't observe universe as a 3rd person, you are the part of that system.

Its kind of funny that you "name drop" fields of scientific study to support your claim. You try to deny any attempt to gain knowledge through methodological naturalism and in order to support your position, you reference a field of study (quantum mechanics) that is derived from the process methodological naturalism.

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

Again you are limited by your mind. "physical universe" as you call is it is nothing but quantum particles arranged itself in a certain shape, your observation then is limited by the size of your body, electron microscope, telecope and the reactions in your mind, don't observe universe as a 3rd person, you are the part of that system.

xaos

The whole point is we cannot predict this universe as it is the product of our mind, there is no higher intelligence or clever animals who can validate the our findings, therefore it's a wild goose chase, so it's best to live the life without showing any affiliation to science or philosophy or whatever other fields of study because you are deluding yourself into thinking that you know the truth.