Telling your kids about Santa

"Kids, every office has a Santa. A Santa is someone who sits on their fat ass and gets credit, praise and adoration by taking the credit for the work that Daddy does."xaos

:shock: Santa isn't real? I've been lied to for over 20 years?

:evil::cry:

its not creepy, its just nonsense. I dont even know why parents do that instead of teaching there children fact's.

I won't. You're lying to your kids and I don't think that's right.

My parents never tried to lie to me about Santa, and I plan to keep that tradition going forward.

Nagru

Of course i would.

so for a kid to enjoy and have fun with a holiday its not ok? its like you ever lied before have you? cause if you say no i know your lying... everyone lies.... and it not a lie that hurts.rcafan

sure, if i have kids i'll let them have a few years of childish joy before their minds are corrupted by the harsh and crushing reality of the world

[QUOTE="rcafan"]so for a kid to enjoy and have fun with a holiday its not ok? its like you ever lied before have you? cause if you say no i know your lying... everyone lies.... and it not a lie that hurts.Genetic_Code

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="rcafan"]so for a kid to enjoy and have fun with a holiday its not ok? its like you ever lied before have you? cause if you say no i know your lying... everyone lies.... and it not a lie that hurts.Pirate700

[QUOTE="rcafan"]so for a kid to enjoy and have fun with a holiday its not ok? its like you ever lied before have you? cause if you say no i know your lying... everyone lies.... and it not a lie that hurts.Genetic_Code

This is the kind of thinking that scares me about this generation of young parents. Just lack being afraid to discipline the child.

Pirate700

it hsa already happen pirate.... i just at blockbuster. and this boy... is like yelling who i believe at his mom for no reason otehr wanting a game that was not in. she didn't do anything about it shame... rcafan

Yeah, because not lying to your children about Santa is the same thing as not disciplining your child when he acts unruly. :roll:

EDIT: Actually, I can see how telling your children about Santa could backfire. For example, if you lie about Santa to him, he will think that whenever he acts good, he will receive what he wants, when that's not how it works in life. You need to do more than act good. You need to do good and there's a huge difference. Acting good is doing no harm to anyone and being polite. Doing good is getting a job and receiving an income.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This is the kind of thinking that scares me about this generation of young parents. Just lack being afraid to discipline the child.

Genetic_Code

it hsa already happen pirate.... i just at blockbuster. and this boy... is like yelling who i believe at his mom for no reason otehr wanting a game that was not in. she didn't do anything about it shame... rcafan

It isn't creepy. Santa is fun for kids. It was fun for me. Why would I ruin that for my kids?

i hate when people say he is not real. st nick is a real person. sure he may have died 1700 years ago but that does not mean he is not real

i never said that :| you are taking words out of my mouth :roll: i said many parents don't displaine now. that what i was saying :|rcafan

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Pirate700"] You shouldn't need to lie to discipline your children. Resorting to lying about Santa is a sorry excuse. [QUOTE="rcafan"]it hsa already happen pirate.... i just at blockbuster. and this boy... is like yelling who i believe at his mom for no reason otehr wanting a game that was not in. she didn't do anything about it shame... rcafan

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This is the kind of thinking that scares me about this generation of young parents. Just lack being afraid to discipline the child.

Genetic_Code

it hsa already happen pirate.... i just at blockbuster. and this boy... is like yelling who i believe at his mom for no reason otehr wanting a game that was not in. she didn't do anything about it shame... rcafan

Yeah, because not lying to your children about Santa is the same thing as not disciplining your child when he acts unruly. :roll:

EDIT: Actually, I can see how telling your children about Santa could backfire. For example, if you lie about Santa to him, he will think that whenever he acts good, he will receive what he wants, when that's not how it works in life. You need to do more than act good. You need to do good and there's a huge difference. Acting good is doing no harm to anyone and being polite. Doing good is getting a job and receiving an income.

"if" you are told never to start a sentece with If.... you know why what If santa was acutally real? huh? what if the child knew he behave as your are something to behave and not cry when it comes around christmas time. child needs to learn how to act and you got to teach them. How does a dog learn? by treats. its the same with a child just prestents and telling he did or she did the right thing. the kid does not need to get into life when he born he already part of it. he learn it more when he gets to that stage.

you need to do more than assuming thigns and stop using "if for a sentece start.

[QUOTE="rcafan"]i never said that :| you are taking words out of my mouth :roll: i said many parents don't displaine now. that what i was saying :|Genetic_Code

[QUOTE="Nagru"]

I won't. You're lying to your kids and I don't think that's right.

My parents never tried to lie to me about Santa, and I plan to keep that tradition going forward.

rcafan

When did I say otherwise? I love Christmas and never had Santa as part of the equation, surely my kids could too. As for the whole lying thing, sure I've lied before but how that justifies more lying eludes me.

In the end it's a moral thing:
A) Belief that lying is wrong
B) Knowledge that telling kids a fictitious character is real, is lying
C) Don't tell kids Santa exists.

Actually, I can see how telling your children about Santa could backfire. For example, if you lie about Santa to him, he will think that whenever he acts good, he will receive what he wants, when that's not how it works in life. You need to do more than act good. You need to do good and there's a huge difference. Acting good is doing no harm to anyone and being polite. Doing good is getting a job and receiving an income.

Genetic_Code

wait...so you want kids below the age of 10 to have jobs and to receive an income? tbh im happy with letting them have fun with their imagination and if that gets them to behave just a little bit more then i can see no downsides, and as long as you let them figure out that santa doesnt exist for themselves they most likely wont even be sad.

Where does parental discipline enter this :? Parents using Santa as a crutch to keep their kids in line, or what exactly...Nagru

[QUOTE="rcafan"][QUOTE="Nagru"]

I won't. You're lying to your kids and I don't think that's right.

My parents never tried to lie to me about Santa, and I plan to keep that tradition going forward.

Nagru

When did I say otherwise? I love Christmas and never had Santa as part of the equation, surely my kids could too. As for the whole lying thing, sure I've lied before but how that justifies more lying eludes me.

In the end it's a moral thing:
A) Belief that lying is wrong
B) Knowledge that telling kids a fictitious character is real, is lying
C) Don't tell kids Santa exists.

A. so than everyone should of stop lying espxcially the goverment oh wait.... never mind lying to your kids is fine if you are protecting them and having something into believe is a start to a wonderful world. what is the crime in that? that how dreams start.

B. same comeplete.... i already said my reason why.

C. i willl glady tell santa exist. kids need to be kids.

also not to metion when i was little we would go to our friends house and someone would dress up as santa and come see us. and give us presents and gifts. it was a cool thing :) i love it. not to metion teh fun of the holiday. making cookies with your kids, talking about reindeers, etc.... not to metion going to the mall to tell santa want you want. it show that someone listen to a CHILD. and he should be listen.

I remember as a kid, Santa was supposed to be this magical, mystical guy. Something that stretched my imagination of my innocent youth. Adults seemed to think that it was cute for children to believe in him. Today though, I've noticed a lot of parents don't want their kids believing in Santa. They're starting to say it's creepy.

So, I ask you. If/when you get kids, are you going to tell them about Santa?

cd_rom

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Just because everyone does it doesn't make it right.rcafan

Yeah...things like that have been going on for generations, and yet somehow...we manage. There will always be bad parents and there will always be good parents.

A. so than everyone should stop lying especially the government oh wait.... never mind lying to your kids is fine if you are protecting them and having something into believe is a start to a wonderful world. what is the crime in that? that how dreams start.

Yes :|
Don't worry, I'm not going to run around telling kids Santa isn't real (and that's something I'd tell my kids not to do as well). I'm religious and I consider such lying wrong, but not particularily harmful. Just realize that the reverse of that is true too; kids not believing in Santa isn't a tragedy.

C. i Will gladly tell kids santa exist. kids need to be kids.

Sure, but belief in Santa isn't an integral part of childhood.

also not to metion when i was little we would go to our friends house and someone would dress up as santa and come see us. and give us presents and gifts. it was a cool thing i love it. not to metion teh fun of the holiday. making cookies with your kids, talking about reindeers, etc.... not to metion going to the mall to tell santa want you want. it show that someone listen to a CHILD. and he should be listen.

Most of my memories are about holiday decorating, sitting down with my Mom and sis to read Matthew, the extended family getting together, etc. There are plenty of rosy memories for a non-santa christmas; he's not the focus of the holiday.

rcafan

Would anyone be horrified to know I don't plan on telling my kids that the Tooth fairy is real either :o

just cause its a holiday and your having fun what is wrong with that? being a child its about having fun... kids are going to lie kids will get upset... you going to have to teach them to get use to disspoints, doctors, punishment.... i can't believe people like you can't do the tradtion that is the fun in holdiays... now when my kid comes home from school. sicne youre child is going to say "hey my firend told me Santa didn't exist, so now your causing more problems than you should be.rcafan

So I'm not allowed to tell my kid Santa doesn't exist because it's inconvienient for you? That's news to me, but let's just clear things up because it would be terribly embarassing if my kid polluted your child's mind by explaining the truth as he/she sees it. What should I tell my kid about religion, politics, world cultures, homosexuality, etc. so it doesn't conflict with what you teach your children because that would be terrible. Or maybe it would be more ideal to just wall off the rest of us so those of us with such horrible beliefs won't mess with your child's mind.

Oh, and try to work on your spelling/grammar. An error here and there isn't too bad, but your posts are take more work to read than they should.

[QUOTE="rcafan"] just cause its a holiday and your having fun what is wrong with that? being a child its about having fun... kids are going to lie kids will get upset... you going to have to teach them to get use to disspoints, doctors, punishment.... i can't believe people like you can't do the tradtion that is the fun in holdiays... now when my kid comes home from school. sicne youre child is going to say "hey my firend told me Santa didn't exist, so now your causing more problems than you should be.Holyknight_CJ

So I'm not allowed to tell my kid Santa doesn't exist because it's inconvienient for you? That's news to me, but let's just clear things up because it would be terribly embarassing if my kid polluted your child's mind by explaining the truth as he/she sees it. What should I tell my kid about religion, politics, world cultures, homosexuality, etc. so it doesn't conflict with what you teach your children because that would be terrible. Or maybe it would be more ideal to just wall off the rest of us so those of us with such horrible beliefs won't mess with your child's mind.

Oh, and try to work on your spelling/grammar. An error here and there isn't too bad, but your posts are take more work to read than they should.

you can tell your kids.... easter bunny exist or does not i don't care what you tell your kids to. but this when tehy start to believe in things this when there imagination can run wild and have dream they might want to keep when tehy grow up. you know at first i wanted to be a cop. now i want to be animal officer. that my dream job is to help animals in need. that has nothing to do with thread though, i not telling you waht to tell your kids. i am telling you that this why they won't ever any imgation or won't be fun and may spoil for some other kids. which i really don't want my child coming up and telling me a kid ask me if he real or not. my kid will find out when the time is right.

not when a parent can't have fun. if your going to tell your child about santa claus tell him its a serect so he does not spoil for everyone this way you know your child is trusth worthy when needed. your just destorying there imgation from the start. You know when i ask my mom if santa ever existed before. you know what she tells me.... she told me the movie "santa claus" she never said he didn't exist or did he.

"Kids let me tell you the story of santa clause..." Goes on about saying how he gets gifts to kids on christmas, be good not bad etc.

"But daddy we have no chimeny' (Says my fake child Jules)

"Oh he comes in from the door." I say

"But you always lock the door, and if he brakes in he is trespassing proerty and wouldnt he get arrested?" Juels says.

"No its not trespassing because all parents give him consent to come for our house to give us gifts." I say

"Ok then... But if he gives you any present you want, and if you ask for a 360, won't he get sued by microsoft for copywriting material by making thus said device?" Jules says.

"Ahh well no, because he has money to buy em?" I say

" Where does he get all this money from, from the bank? But banks won't loan to anyone especailly for a guy that lives in the north pole, makes no income and works one day. And also how can he get to all the children in the world in one night? What about differing time zones and ozone?" Jules says.

"Nice way to kill my dreams son, screw it SANTA AINT REAL for get i told u anything!" I say.

"So i still get my 360?" He asks

Yup never tell kids Santa is real, especially if they are more perceptive than you at their age :)

Feryraiser

[QUOTE="rcafan"]

A. so than everyone should stop lying especially the government oh wait.... never mind lying to your kids is fine if you are protecting them and having something into believe is a start to a wonderful world. what is the crime in that? that how dreams start.

Yes :|
Don't worry, I'm not going to run around telling kids Santa isn't real (and that's something I'd tell my kids not to do as well). I'm religious and I consider such lying wrong, but not particularily harmful. Just realize that the reverse of that is true too; kids not believing in Santa isn't a tragedy.

So your telling me your never going to lie your kids? being in a religon does not mean you can't lie in fact sometime the lie is better than the truth cause a child my not understand the truth. i doubt your goign to go around telling other kids santa does not exist, that does not mean your child won't.

C. i Will gladly tell kids santa exist. kids need to be kids.

Sure, but belief in Santa isn't an integral part of childhood.

its as much as a child being born, raise etc... if your going to celbriate the holiday it can be used for good if you don't abuse it.

also not to metion when i was little we would go to our friends house and someone would dress up as santa and come see us. and give us presents and gifts. it was a cool thing i love it. not to metion teh fun of the holiday. making cookies with your kids, talking about reindeers, etc.... not to metion going to the mall to tell santa want you want. it show that someone listen to a CHILD. and he should be listen.

Most of my memories are about holiday decorating, sitting down with my Mom and sis to read Matthew, the extended family getting together, etc. There are plenty of rosy memories for a non-santa christmas; he's not the focus of the holiday.

the part of the holiday is to get the family togather that all its about, kids can understand fun and advtanges with beleive in santa if tehy won't to. if they don't that the kid choice but i say it again its part of the tradtion. your going to lie again than you know. its part of going up. i know i will be lying plenty more times. hack you got to lie to get a job most of the time.

Nagru

Would anyone be horrified to know I don't plan on telling my kids that the Tooth fairy is real either :o

you can tell your child whatever you want, i just don't need a child spreading things around he should wait for a certin age to tell his friends.

Sorry for double post but its not letting me copy with mouse or keyboard.

if i had kids,i would raised them atheist

[QUOTE="Holyknight_CJ"]

[QUOTE="rcafan"] just cause its a holiday and your having fun what is wrong with that? being a child its about having fun... kids are going to lie kids will get upset... you going to have to teach them to get use to disspoints, doctors, punishment.... i can't believe people like you can't do the tradtion that is the fun in holdiays... now when my kid comes home from school. sicne youre child is going to say "hey my firend told me Santa didn't exist, so now your causing more problems than you should be.rcafan

So I'm not allowed to tell my kid Santa doesn't exist because it's inconvienient for you? That's news to me, but let's just clear things up because it would be terribly embarassing if my kid polluted your child's mind by explaining the truth as he/she sees it. What should I tell my kid about religion, politics, world cultures, homosexuality, etc. so it doesn't conflict with what you teach your children because that would be terrible. Or maybe it would be more ideal to just wall off the rest of us so those of us with such horrible beliefs won't mess with your child's mind.

Oh, and try to work on your spelling/grammar. An error here and there isn't too bad, but your posts are take more work to read than they should.

you can tell your kids.... easter bunny exist or does not i don't care what you tell your kids to. but this when tehy start to believe in things this when there imagination can run wild and have dream they might want to keep when tehy grow up. you know at first i wanted to be a cop. now i want to be animal officer. that my dream job is to help animals in need. that has nothing to do with thread though, i not telling you waht to tell your kids. i am telling you that this why they won't ever any imgation or won't be fun and may spoil for some other kids. which i really don't want my child coming up and telling me a kid ask me if he real or not. my kid will find out when the time is right.

not when a parent can't have fun. if your going to tell your child about santa claus tell him its a serect so he does not spoil for everyone this way you know your child is trusth worthy when needed. your just destorying there imgation from the start. You know when i ask my mom if santa ever existed before. you know what she tells me.... she told me the movie "santa claus" she never said he didn't exist or did he.

I will tell my kids about Santa when the time is right.

you can tell your kids.... easter bunny exist or does not i don't care what you tell your kids to. but this when tehy start to believe in things this when there imagination can run wild and have dream they might want to keep when tehy grow up. you know at first i wanted to be a cop. now i want to be animal officer. that my dream job is to help animals in need. that has nothing to do with thread though, i not telling you waht to tell your kids. i am telling you that this why they won't ever any imgation or won't be fun and may spoil for some other kids. which i really don't want my child coming up and telling me a kid ask me if he real or not. my kid will find out when the time is right.

not when a parent can't have fun. if your going to tell your child about santa claus tell him its a serect so he does not spoil for everyone this way you know your child is trusth worthy when needed. your just destorying there imgation from the start. You know when i ask my mom if santa ever existed before. you know what she tells me.... she told me the movie "santa claus" she never said he didn't exist or did he.

rcafan

If I were to tell my kids Santa isn't real I would tell them it's a secret, out of courtesy. I just have a problem with people telling me I'm doing something wrong if I tell my kid Santa isn't real because it's inconvienent for them.

As for why someone would choose to tell their kid Santa isn't real. for one it's associated with Christianity so non-Christians would probably not want that. You might say they wouldn't say anything at all, for or against, but in a Christian nation, there kids would hear about Santa, so the parents would have to explain it out as something they don't participate in, just like they'd have to explain Jesus isn't a belief they follow. Also, though we all lie, it is something that should be minimized whenever possible, and they might not think Santa is something worth lying about. It is a pretty big lie, something you have to keep misleading them about, and as some have said Santa isn't necessarily crucial to enjoying Christmas anyways.

[QUOTE="rcafan"]

So your telling me your never going to lie your kids? being in a religion does not mean you can't lie in fact sometime the lie is better than the truth cause a child my not understand the truth. i doubt your going to go around telling other kids santa does not exist, that does not mean your child won't.

I'm going to try yes, and since in my religion lying's considered a sin that's not going to change anytime soon. As for my kid telling others, while I'll try not to have that happen it's not a huge deal to me if s/he does. Besides if you're okay with lying I don't see why this is such an issue for you, surely you could just tell another lie to cover it up ;)

its as much as a child being born, raise etc... if your going to celbriate the holiday it can be used for good if you don't abuse it.

Wat. Even ignoring my own upbringing, millions of kids have and will grow up never hearing about Santa. It's NOT that important.

the part of the holiday is to get the family together that all its about, kids can understand fun and advantages with believe in santa if they won't to. if they don't that the kid choice but i say it again its part of the tradition-

Sorry, but I can't understand what you're trying to say...

your going to lie again than you know. its part of going up. i know i will be lying plenty more times. hack you got to lie to get a job most of the time.

And as I've repeatedly said, I'm trying not to lie. Regardless of justifications, or what other people are doing, it's part of my belief system that lying is a sin.

rcafan

Sorry for double post but its not letting me copy with mouse or keyboard

No problem :) Just FYI, if you can't right click to copy/paste, you can use ctrl+c & ctrl+v to copy and paste.

Anyways, I've had my fill of arguing today. I'll leave it to Holyknight now.

Of course I'll tell them about him, until they figure out he's fake by having a present from Santa be the same thing they saw in my closet a few weeks earlier.

As for why someone would choose to tell their kid Santa isn't real. for one it's associated with Christianity so non-Christians would probably not want that. You might say they wouldn't say anything at all, for or against, but in a Christian nation, there kids would hear about Santa, so the parents would have to explain it out as something they don't participate in, just like they'd have to explain Jesus isn't a belief they follow. Also, though we all lie, it is something that should be minimized whenever possible, and they might not think Santa is something worth lying about. It is a pretty big lie, something you have to keep misleading them about, and as some have said Santa isn't necessarily crucial to enjoying Christmas anyways.

Holyknight_CJ