The Dark Knight was overrated

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#1 derekjeter2005
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Honestly I think I'd have to give it a 5/10 and I'm a big Batman fan.

First of all Heath Ledger's Joker is not The Joker. Jack Nicholson was the closest you can get to the real Joker. As a matter of fact, Jim Carrey would probably have done a great joker. I don't get that casting choice.

Don't get the Harvey Dent choice. In Batman The Animated Series and in the comics, Harvey Dent has black hair, he's not some blonde squid. Perfect casting choice here would have been The Rock.

Christian Bale is a good choice for Batman (personally I'd have preferred Keanu Reeves a lot more), but they made him sound like a raspy old man. what gives, that is just terrible.

And the plot it was OK, nothing out of the ordinary, should have moved away from the threaten the family/friends thing to more of a Batman vs. Villain type deal. (I mean where they actual fight, not where they play these stupid mind games about who's gonna make the next move, if I wanted to see that I would watch Chess The Movie)

So this would have been the best Batman movie. Batman- Keanu Reeves, Joker- Jim Carrey, Harvey Dent- The Rock, Robin- Shia LeBeouf.

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#2 ovechkin08
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i've still never seen it.. i feel dirty
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#3 chessmaster1989
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First of all Heath Ledger's Joker is not The Joker. Jack Nicholson was the closest you can get to the real Joker

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^This

And, yes, The Dark Knight was EXTREMELY overrated.

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Hmm.... I give you a 4/10
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Honestly I think I'd have to give it a 5/10 and I'm a big Batman fan.

First of all Heath Ledger's Joker is not The Joker. Jack Nicholson was the closest you can get to the real Joker. As a matter of fact, Jim Carrey would probably have done a great joker. I don't get that casting choice.

Don't get the Harvey Dent choice. In Batman The Animated Series and in the comics, Harvey Dent has black hair, he's not some blonde squid. Perfect casting choice here would have been The Rock.

Christian Bale is a good choice for Batman (personally I'd have preferred Keanu Reeves a lot more), but they made him sound like a raspy old man. what gives, that is just terrible.

And the plot it was OK, nothing out of the ordinary, should have moved away from the threaten the family/friends thing to more of a Batman vs. Villain type deal. (I mean where they actual fight, not where they play these stupid mind games about who's gonna make the next move, if I wanted to see that I would watch Chess The Movie)

So this would have been the best Batman movie. Batman- Keanu Reeves, Joker- Jim Carrey, Harvey Dent- The Rock, Robin- Shia LeBeouf.

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That cast you listed is horrible. Heath Ledger nailed the role of The Joker. Jack Nicholson was just playing himself.
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#6 derekjeter2005
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="derekjeter2005"]

First of all Heath Ledger's Joker is not The Joker. Jack Nicholson was the closest you can get to the real Joker

^This

And, yes, The Dark Knight was EXTREMELY overrated.

I can seriously see why it didn't make Time Magazine's Top 10 movies of 2008. And of course everyone on this forum will complain when some under the radar good movies make a list and the movie that had the 80 trillion dollar budget and a lot of advertising didn't
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Be that as it may, I'm still gonna rent it.
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Honestly I think I'd have to give it a 5/10 and I'm a big Batman fan.

First of all Heath Ledger's Joker is not The Joker. Jack Nicholson was the closest you can get to the real Joker. As a matter of fact, Jim Carrey would probably have done a great joker. I don't get that casting choice.

Don't get the Harvey Dent choice. In Batman The Animated Series and in the comics, Harvey Dent has black hair, he's not some blonde squid. Perfect casting choice here would have been The Rock.

Christian Bale is a good choice for Batman (personally I'd have preferred Keanu Reeves a lot more), but they made him sound like a raspy old man. what gives, that is just terrible.

And the plot it was OK, nothing out of the ordinary, should have moved away from the threaten the family/friends thing to more of a Batman vs. Villain type deal. (I mean where they actual fight, not where they play these stupid mind games about who's gonna make the next move, if I wanted to see that I would watch Chess The Movie)

So this would have been the best Batman movie. Batman- Keanu Reeves, Joker- Jim Carrey, Harvey Dent- The Rock, Robin- Shia LeBeouf.

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Wow. Your list of characters for the "best Batman movie" is absolutely terrible, besides Robin. The Rock and Jim Carrey are two of the worst actors ever.
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Joke thread because of the cast he suggested.
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#10 AnObscureName
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I've still not even seen it yet :( Don't worry though, it's on the christmas list, I'll watch it on Boxing Day. From what I've seen of trailers and such, Ledger did his take on the Joker, just as Nicholson did his.
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#11 Boba_Fett_3710
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I disagree, the movie was amazing. I don't think it was overrated, but it definitely was over-hyped. Though in contrast to the rest of this years horrible movies, it's really no wonder why it's still being talked about.
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Joke thread because of the cast he suggested.DrSponge
Yep. Do not see why more people do not realize this.
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Reads topic... GASP! Has heart attack and dies from the blasphemy of such a statement.
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It doesn't matter what you think of The Rock and Jim Carrey, they fit the roles perfectly. both appearance and behaviorisms. The REAL Harvey Dent is half ahole, half normal. All I was seeing from the Dark Knight Harvey Dent (don't even know his name) was a guy who goes into the hood and gets mugged and beat up and comes out like "oh it wasn't that bad....they said I could have my watch back after I paid them"
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I disagree, the movie was amazing. I don't think it was overrated, but it definitely was over-hyped. Though in contrast to the rest of this years horrible movies, it's really no wonder why it's still being talked about.Boba_Fett_3710
I like how people say its "amazing" but you can't actually justify WHY, whereas I have reasons as to WHY NOT
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The movie does not deserve a 5/10 and its not overrated.It's a masterpiece.
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#17 chessmaster1989
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Christian Bale is a good choice for Batman (personally I'd have preferred Keanu Reeves a lot more), but they made him sound like a raspy old man. what gives, that is just terrible.

derekjeter2005

:lol: Keanu Reeves can't act... at least Christian Bale can kind of act :lol: casting Keanu Reeves in ANYTHING that requires ANY talent of any kind is a mistake.

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[QUOTE="Boba_Fett_3710"]I disagree, the movie was amazing. I don't think it was overrated, but it definitely was over-hyped. Though in contrast to the rest of this years horrible movies, it's really no wonder why it's still being talked about.derekjeter2005
I like how people say its "amazing" but you can't actually justify WHY, whereas I have reasons as to WHY NOT

Um, acting/story/art direction/directing, all pretty amazing. That, and the fact that I loved every second of watching the movie. But I guess that's not reason enough for me to think it's amazing? What else do you need? Maybe take a look at the money it's made (not a sign of how good it is, but it's popular for a reason), or at the reviews?
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#19 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="Boba_Fett_3710"]I disagree, the movie was amazing. I don't think it was overrated, but it definitely was over-hyped. Though in contrast to the rest of this years horrible movies, it's really no wonder why it's still being talked about.derekjeter2005
I like how people say its "amazing" but you can't actually justify WHY, whereas I have reasons as to WHY NOT

The film was written incredibly well. It played like a Crime Drama unlike a cliched super-hero movie. Some of the shots were brilliant. Heath Ledger delivered the best performance of the year. It's an overall incredibly very well done movie.
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Before I pull this apart. Yes the Dark Knight is overrated, it is hardly the best film ever made from any stand point, and I didn't even think it was the best film out this year.

Now onto business.

Honestly I think I'd have to give it a 5/10 and I'm a big Batman fan.

First of all Heath Ledger's Joker is not The Joker. Jack Nicholson was the closest you can get to the real Joker.

Actually Jack Nicholson just played himself and was in fact very little like the Joker. Ledger was closer, that said, everyone knows Mark Hamill is the best Joker.

As a matter of fact, Jim Carrey would probably have done a great joker. I don't get that casting choice.

No, he would have just been a less seriousversion of Jack Nicholson, for the direction Christopher Nolan was aiming to take he would have been inappropriate as the Joker.

Don't get the Harvey Dent choice. In Batman The Animated Series and in the comics, Harvey Dent has black hair, he's not some blonde squid. Perfect casting choice here would have been The Rock.

Oh dear God you cannot be serious. Firstly, blond hair adds to the idea of "the White Knight", secondly the blond hair makes him a complete juxtaposition to Batman himself.

Christian Bale is a good choice for Batman (personally I'd have preferred Keanu Reeves a lot more), but they made him sound like a raspy old man. what gives, that is just terrible.

Keanu Reeves? Is this thread a joke?

And the plot it was OK, nothing out of the ordinary, should have moved away from the threaten the family/friends thing to more of a Batman vs. Villain type deal. (I mean where they actual fight, not where they play these stupid mind games about who's gonna make the next move, if I wanted to see that I would watch Chess The Movie)

While I agree that the story was indeed generic... more action wouldn't have made it better. Action is often the lowest common denominator in these films, I'd rather have a richer experience, which I gained from the Dark knight than just two guys hitting each other for 2 hours.

So this would have been the best Batman movie. Batman- Keanu Reeves, Joker- Jim Carrey, Harvey Dent- The Rock, Robin- Shia LeBeouf.

That is an appalling cast for any film... Shia LeBeouf and The Rock in one film?The world would explode if so much turd collided.

derekjeter2005

Basically, there is much more to making a film good than acting and story. Creative decisions often have reasons behind them.

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#21 aaronmullan
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While I agree with you on it being overrated, I do not agree with your casting choice... it was woeful..
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#22 Memberino
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I also give it a 5/6 out of 10, it bored me and I don't see why anyone goes on about it like it was the best film every, completely incomprehensible to me.
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Keanu Reeves? Is this thread a joke?Samwel_X
Yes, you should have stopped there :P
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I agree. I didn't like Christian Bale's acting.
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I admit he didn't do a "True to the comic" Joker, but he had the sick, twisted, sadistic villain to fit in the dark "gothic" theme of the movie. I think he did a good job, but I agree that Nicholson did a better job. Jim Carrey did a great Riddler, I doubt he'd be good for the Joker. It's too out of character for him, especially in Nolan's film.

[QUOTE="derekjeter2005"]Don't get the Harvey Dent choice. In Batman The Animated Series and in the comics, Harvey Dent has black hair, he's not some blonde squid. Perfect casting choice here would have been The Rock.derekjeter2005

I don't get this at all, Aaron Eckhart is the perfect choice for the film. The blonde hair, the handsome face. He played the role of the White Knight in the Dark city of Gotham.

Christian Bale is a good choice for Batman (personally I'd have preferred Keanu Reeves a lot more), but they made him sound like a raspy old man. what gives, that is just terrible.derekjeter2005

Oh god, Keanu Reeves? He should have quit after Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey, especially what he's about to do with one of my most favourite movies of all time (The Day the Earth Stood Still). I don't see how you can be serious here.

And the plot it was OK, nothing out of the ordinary, should have moved away from the threaten the family/friends thing to more of a Batman vs. Villain type deal. (I mean where they actual fight, not where they play these stupid mind games about who's gonna make the next move, if I wanted to see that I would watch Chess The Movie)derekjeter2005

A Batman vs. Villain type deal would've flopped at the Box Office. People want more than just fights.

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[QUOTE="Samwel_X"]Keanu Reeves? Is this thread a joke?DrSponge
Yes, you should have stopped there :P

There had only been the original post when I started :(

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#27 the_foreign_guy
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:lol: This has got to be a joke thread.
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#28 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I've not seen it yet.
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="Samwel_X"]Keanu Reeves? Is this thread a joke?Samwel_X

Yes, you should have stopped there :P

There had only been the original post when I started :(

That should have been enough :P
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#31 SaintLeonidas
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Is this a joke? The fact that you think Keanu Reevese would play a good Batmn just discredits your opinion in my book. There is nothing to take serious in your review because it all doesnt add up. You dont compare the characters from those in the show, why/ Because Nolan wasnt making an adaptation.
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#32 legend26
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joke thread rite??? :lol:

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#33 derekjeter2005
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I also give it a 5/6 out of 10, it bored me and I don't see why anyone goes on about it like it was the best film every, completely incomprehensible to me.Memberino
exactly. it really wasn't entertaining. somone called it a "crime drama" (and if it was, it wasn't a good one, watch manhunter or collateral for a good crime drama) but guess what... Batman's about ACTION and VILLAINS
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#34 sammyjenkis898
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Your point? Imo, Cloverfield had the best cinematography this year, but I don't see you espousing its merits.

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Cloverfields was a "handheld camera" moving all over the place. I'm not saying the shots are what make it an incredible movie but it definitely helps it. Particularly the shot with The Joker sitting in the interrogation room. I didn't really care for Robert Downey Jr. at all, or the movie. Heath Ledgers however is one of the best screen villains of the history of cinema. However, that is of course, my opinion.
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[QUOTE="legend26"]

joke thread rite??? :lol:

No, but why would you waste a post like that?
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#36 DarkPrinceXC
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Cloverfield was pretty terrible, but it did spawn one of the best South Park parodies ever.
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#37 derekjeter2005
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Heath Ledger looked like he came out of some horrible 80s rock band in the movie
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#38 194197844077667059316682358889
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Well done, TC; I would have thought the Keanu Reeves casting suggestion would have been overplaying your hand, but given the speed with which posts have been made to this thread, apparently not.
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That should have been enough :Pdave123321

I've seen some pretty bad taste in films on these boards before... you never can tell :lol:

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and I'm sick of people ripping Keanu Reaves. He gave you great movies like Speed, The Devil's Advocate and The Matrix. Stop ripping him, he's a great actor. I didn't even know who heath ledger was until he died and the only reason I knew christian bale is cause of american psycho (and thats it)
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and I'm sick of people ripping Keanu Reaves. He gave you great movies like Speed, The Devil's Advocate and The Matrix. Stop ripping him, he's a great actor. I didn't even know who heath ledger was until he died and the only reason I knew christian bale is cause of american psycho (and thats it)derekjeter2005
This has to be a joke. Keanu Reeves is a good actor? He's one of the worst actors I've ever seen. It's sad that you had never heard of Heath Ledger before he died. He was incredible in Brokeback Mountain.
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and I'm sick of people ripping Keanu Reaves. He gave you great movies like Speed, The Devil's Advocate and The Matrix. Stop ripping him, he's a great actor. I didn't even know who heath ledger was until he died and the only reason I knew christian bale is cause of american psycho (and thats it)derekjeter2005

Did you know that he only just beat this talented actor to the role of Neo...

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="dave123321"]Hmm.... I give you a 4/10

I upgrade you to a 7/10 for the number of people who do not realize that you are joking.
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[QUOTE="derekjeter2005"]and I'm sick of people ripping Keanu Reaves. He gave you great movies like Speed, The Devil's Advocate and The Matrix. Stop ripping him, he's a great actor. I didn't even know who heath ledger was until he died and the only reason I knew christian bale is cause of american psycho (and thats it)Samwel_X

Did you know that he only just beat this talented actor to the role of Neo...

]

Thanks for the laugh. :lol:
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#45 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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I know that non-conformism is big here on OT, but it still doesn't change the fact that The Dark Knight was a great movie.
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#46 lancelot200
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Hmm...nope. Batman Begins and TDK are the only good Batman movies made. The rest were cheesefest, but everyone needs cheese once in a while.
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#47 DarkPrinceXC
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and I'm sick of people ripping Keanu Reaves. He gave you great movies like Speed, The Devil's Advocate and The Matrix. Stop ripping him, he's a great actor. I didn't even know who heath ledger was until he died and the only reason I knew christian bale is cause of american psycho (and thats it)derekjeter2005
Yeah, Speed was good. So was Con Air and The Rock, but that doesn't change the fact that Nicholas Cage is a horrible, horrible actor.
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I don't think it's overated. I think it is the best Batman movie and the best movie that came out this year.
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#49 derekjeter2005
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Hmm...nope. Batman Begins and TDK are the only good Batman movies made. The rest were cheesefest, but everyone needs cheese once in a while.lancelot200
Those were the WORST batman movies, even worse than the bad Batman forever and batman & robin. the first two were easily the best. and truer to the REAL image of the Batman Universe
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#50 Samwel_X
Member since 2006 • 13765 Posts

Yeah, Speed was good. So was Con Air and The Rock, but that doesn't change the fact that Nicholas Cage is a horrible, horrible actor.DarkPrinceXC

He can act when he needs to... see Leaving Las Vegas. He just takes the money and runs nowadays.