The EU is as shortsighted as a drunken teenager

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#1 Plzhelpmelearn
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The EU is trying to mount pressure on israel to lift the blockade on Gaza. It is this same mindset that led Obama to foolishly declare that he would have Guantanamo Bay shut down within a year and now we are approaching two with nothing done. Until you understand why a situation is the way it is, then you have no hope of changing it.

Unless there is some direct intervention into ruling Gaza by western powers then all lifting the blockade is going to do is result in more rocket attacks and ultimately a repeat of Israels 2008 crackdown on Gaza. It may sound good to twist Israel's arms into lifting the blockade and declaring some kind of humanitarian victory, while ignorantly ignoring the fact that it will probably cause more violence and death down the road.

Maybe I am wrong here and I would like to see some other opinions on it. I am not for violence and suffering, but I question whether it will only bring more of it to mount all this pressure on Israel. Especially considering how jumpy they currently are with Iran on its mission for a nuke.

Do you think lifting the blockade is a good idea? Under what conditions?

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#2 Elephant_Couple
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It's not a good idea. You pretty much nailed it.

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The EU is trying to mount pressure on israel to lift the blockade on Gaza. It is this same mindset that led Obama to foolishly declare that he would have Guantanamo Bay shut down within a year and now we are approaching two with nothing done. Until you understand why a situation is the way it is, then you have no hope of changing it. Plzhelpmelearn

Are you seriously accusing Europe of being unaware of what created the Israeli-Palestinian tensions?

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#4 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

The EU is trying to mount pressure on israel to lift the blockade on Gaza. It is this same mindset that led Obama to foolishly declare that he would have Guantanamo Bay shut down within a year and now we are approaching two with nothing done. Until you understand why a situation is the way it is, then you have no hope of changing it. Danm_999

Are you seriously accusing Europe of being unaware of what created the Israeli-Palestinian tensions?

Well, while I am sure that they are intellectually aware of the delicacy of the situation and the history of events leading up to it, i think they are at least guilty of using tunnel vision in pretending like lifting the Israeli blockade is going to solve anything. It seems more like a knee jerk response rather than a thought out solution to try and prevent things like this from happening in the future. In fact, as I stated, i think it will probably make it worse.
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] Well, while I am sure that they are intellectually aware of the delicacy of the situation and the history of events leading up to it,

Aware of it? They lived and created it. The British Mandate was a constant negotiation between Jews and Palestinians as to how sovereignty would be assigned. Zionism was a secular movement originating from Europe. Almost all early Israeli Prime Ministers are European. To call them shortsighted, or in your words "a drunken teenager", ignores their role in events.
i think they are at least guilty of using tunnel vision in pretending like lifting the Israeli blockade is going to solve anything. It seems more like a knee jerk response rather than a thought out solution to try and prevent things like this from happening in the future. In fact, as I stated, i think it will probably make it worse.Plzhelpmelearn
Perhaps. There are many schools of thought on this. Would easing the Gaza Blockade allow Hamas to expand, or would it work towards the two-state solution. I'm inclined to agree, that in the short term, Hamas would benefit immensely from the lifting of the Gaza blockade. However, I'd accuse Israel of being shortsighted too. What exactly is there plan here? Blockade millions of people into an extremely dense patch of land indefinitely?
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] Well, while I am sure that they are intellectually aware of the delicacy of the situation and the history of events leading up to it,Danm_999
Aware of it? They lived and created it. The British Mandate was a constant negotiation between Jews and Palestinians as to how sovereignty would be assigned. Zionism was a secular movement originating from Europe. Almost all early Israeli Prime Ministers are European. To call them shortsighted, or in your words "a drunken teenager", ignores their role in events.

Yup, and I'd say the Balfour Declaration (1917?) is probably one of Europe's biggest contributions in Palestine as it pretty much promised a Jewish homeland. Europe practically created Israel, so they are probably the most suitable group of nations to get involved. Just my thoughts.

Like someone else said, I can only see the situation getting better if Western powers are running Gaza. That's probably the only way to stop direct conflict.

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Lifting the blockade would be stupid.
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the un should carry out the blockade

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the un

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Lulz...
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The EU is trying to mount pressure on israel to lift the blockade on Gaza. It is this same mindset that led Obama to foolishly declare that he would have Guantanamo Bay shut down within a year and now we are approaching two with nothing done. Until you understand why a situation is the way it is, then you have no hope of changing it.

Unless there is some direct intervention into ruling Gaza by western powers then all lifting the blockade is going to do is result in more rocket attacks and ultimately a repeat of Israels 2008 crackdown on Gaza. It may sound good to twist Israel's arms into lifting the blockade and declaring some kind of humanitarian victory, while ignorantly ignoring the fact that it will probably cause more violence and death down the road.

Maybe I am wrong here and I would like to see some other opinions on it. I am not for violence and suffering, but I question whether it will only bring more of it to mount all this pressure on Israel. Especially considering how jumpy they currently are with Iran on its mission for a nuke.

Do you think lifting the blockade is a good idea? Under what conditions?

Plzhelpmelearn

Well the Israelis should at the very least allow Gazans to acquire cement and asphalt, so that they can rebuild their homes and roads.

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You seriously think that the EU is is supporting Palestine rather then Israel..
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Like someone else said, I can only see the situation getting better if Western powers are running Gaza. That's probably the only way to stop direct conflict.

KlepticGrooves

So Westerners are able to rule more justly than others? Sounds like Racism to me.

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#14 DraugenCP
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What happens in Gaza or Israel shouldn't be of our primary concern. Either side is as crooked as the other, and interfering with them will only cause trouble. Let the Palestinians and the Israelis sort it out themselves, without Europe wasting any time on it.

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[QUOTE="KlepticGrooves"]Like someone else said, I can only see the situation getting better if Western powers are running Gaza. That's probably the only way to stop direct conflict.

Nibroc420

So Westerners are able to rule more justly than others? Sounds like Racism to me.

Well we're not the one's blowing each other up right now, so sure.
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="KlepticGrooves"]Like someone else said, I can only see the situation getting better if Western powers are running Gaza. That's probably the only way to stop direct conflict.

SolidSnake35

So Westerners are able to rule more justly than others? Sounds like Racism to me.

Well we're not the one's blowing each other up right now, so sure.

Neither are Japan china India..etc
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Is "ignorantly ignoring" a correct thing to say? :?
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How come all Israeli operations and actions are justified while all Arabian action are terrorism..
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Neither are Japan china India..etckrazy-blazer
How can those countries help? Japan are still busy deluding themselves into thinking they never massacred China – better not set them loose on other countries. China and India have enough problems of their own. I think we're better off handling things, if anyone has to.
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[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Neither are Japan china India..etcSolidSnake35
How can those countries help? Japan are still busy deluding themselves into thinking they never massacred China – better not set them loose on other countries. China and India have enough problems of their own. I think we're better off handling things, if anyone has to.

I'd rather we stop sticking our noses on other people business, **** like this is why get into wars and waste a trillion of dollars.
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[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Neither are Japan china India..etcSolidSnake35
How can those countries help? Japan are still busy deluding themselves into thinking they never massacred China – better not set them loose on other countries. China and India have enough problems of their own. I think we're better off handling things, if anyone has to.

As an Asian, I agree, but most countries Western countries don't have the resources to do so.
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]
[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Neither are Japan china India..etcLonelynight
How can those countries help? Japan are still busy deluding themselves into thinking they never massacred China – better not set them loose on other countries. China and India have enough problems of their own. I think we're better off handling things, if anyone has to.

As an Asian, I agree, but most countries Western countries don't have the resources to do so.

Are you talking about the EU?
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[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Neither are Japan china India..etcSolidSnake35
How can those countries help? Japan are still busy deluding themselves into thinking they never massacred China – better not set them loose on other countries. China and India have enough problems of their own. I think we're better off handling things, if anyone has to.

USA in huge debt and ids trying to recover, and they vetoed almost every UN decision against Israel so yeah. EU is heavily influenced by France and the UK both whom have been supporting Israel.(Suez Crisis). the "pressure" is just a political action to make the Arabs think that EU is on their side.

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[QUOTE="Lucien-Lachance"] Are you talking about the EU?

EU, Canada, and the U.S.
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]
[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Neither are Japan china India..etckrazy-blazer
How can those countries help? Japan are still busy deluding themselves into thinking they never massacred China – better not set them loose on other countries. China and India have enough problems of their own. I think we're better off handling things, if anyone has to.

USA in huge debt and is trying to recover, and they vetoed almost every UN decision against Israel so yeah. EU is politically controlled by France and the UK both whom have been supporting Israel.(Suez Crisis). the "pressure" is just a political action to make the Arabs think that EU is on their side.

France and Germany actually.