The fate of Syria may very well be war and a great cycle of violence.

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#1 jetpower3
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So the plot thickens. In Syria's 14 month struggle, another deadly string of car bombs on Thursday has evoked the kind of carnage that afflicts Iraq even today. Damascus, once one of the world's safest capitals, is now a closed city that is seeing more insurgent attacks, bombs, and protests as time goes on. More extremist players like Al Qaeda seem to be entering the fray. And yet so far, Assad has seemed to have alienated most of the country's Sunni majority with his defiant and unsophisticated crackdown on the opposition. All the while, the already weak economy is sagging heavily as sanctions bite and the Syrian government funnels all its money into its military crackdown, cutting back severely on key services like education.

I don't see a clear and smooth endgame in Syria to say the least. Whether Assad goes or stays, the fate of the country in my eyes is Lebanonisation and Iraqisation, with a weak or nonexistent central government and military, militant, and paramilitary groups all carving out their own stakes and fiefdoms among sectarian lines and settling their own scores (sectarian, personal, or otherwise) as this conflict becomes more chaotic and untenable.

You think power vacuums are bad? How about a power vacuum that unleashes vengence seeking groups and empowers an opposition far more united by the hate of Assad than any common ideology. This could really unleash pandora's box of both the Arab Spring and the surrounding Middle East. I don't want to see what will happen if and when the 40 year House of Assad and its apparatus of regional alliances, state secrets, and stacked sectarian Alawite interests comes crashing down. Although, even if it still stands at the end of the day, Assad may very well face a long and unwinnable war. And it should not be understated that he does not have to be defeated militarily to be utterly doomed.

Enjoy the show I guess.

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#2 BossPerson
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There;s so much I can say about this.....

Personally I believe the car bombs are being orchestrated by the regime to give the impression that Syria is falling into chaos. Note, how one day after the massive bomb in damashq; the Syrian authorities miraculously stop some would be bombers. Furthermore, the terrorist groups the Syrian government claims to be fighting (Al-Nusra Front to Protect theLevant)is pretty fishy; only appearing recently after the protests began. I also wouldnt be surprised to eblieve that a government that killed more than 10 000 of its own people for protesting would kill a few hundred more in car bombs.

The opposititon has ZERO to gain from doing terrorist attacks, they know it will turn the populace against them. Also, usually when people commit terrorist attacks, they own up to them so people can fear them )thats the point of terrorist tactics anyways) in this case, the opposition has not claimed to have comitted these attacks.

As for the whole situation in general; I am 100% on the side of the SNC, but I dont want a civil war to erupt since I have family in Damashq. I hope that bastard Bashar gives up before he drags Syria to hell with him,

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There;s so much I can say about this.....

Personally I believe the car bombs are being orchestrated by the regime to give the impression that Syria is falling into chaos. Note, how one day after the massive bomb in damashq; the Syrian authorities miraculously stop some would be bombers. Furthermore, the terrorist groups the Syrian government claims to be fighting (Al-Nusra Front to Protect theLevant)is pretty fishy; only appearing recently after the protests began. I also wouldnt be surprised to eblieve that a government that killed more than 10 000 of its own people for protesting would kill a few hundred more in car bombs.

The opposititon has ZERO to gain from doing terrorist attacks, they know it will turn the populace against them. Also, usually when people commit terrorist attacks, they own up to them so people can fear them )thats the point of terrorist tactics anyways) in this case, the opposition has not claimed to have comitted these attacks.

As for the whole situation in general; I am 100% on the side of the SNC, but I dont want a civil war to erupt since I have family in Damashq. I hope that bastard Bashar gives up before he drags Syria to hell with him,

BossPerson

No matter who's doing it, it still represents a significant escalation of the conflict. And you should know just as well as I that what I say is true. Syria has a dangerous sectarian mix and divide, a generally weak economy (even beforehand), and an elite that has no intention of going down easily. I do wish for the best, but I have to be pragmatic.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

There;s so much I can say about this.....

Personally I believe the car bombs are being orchestrated by the regime to give the impression that Syria is falling into chaos. Note, how one day after the massive bomb in damashq; the Syrian authorities miraculously stop some would be bombers. Furthermore, the terrorist groups the Syrian government claims to be fighting (Al-Nusra Front to Protect theLevant)is pretty fishy; only appearing recently after the protests began. I also wouldnt be surprised to eblieve that a government that killed more than 10 000 of its own people for protesting would kill a few hundred more in car bombs.

The opposititon has ZERO to gain from doing terrorist attacks, they know it will turn the populace against them. Also, usually when people commit terrorist attacks, they own up to them so people can fear them )thats the point of terrorist tactics anyways) in this case, the opposition has not claimed to have comitted these attacks.

As for the whole situation in general; I am 100% on the side of the SNC, but I dont want a civil war to erupt since I have family in Damashq. I hope that bastard Bashar gives up before he drags Syria to hell with him,

jetpower3

No matter who's doing it, it still represents a significant escalation of the conflict. And you should know just as well as I that what I say is true. Syria has a dangerous sectarian mix and divide, a generally weak economy (even beforehand), and an elite that has no intention of going down easily. I do wish for the best, but I have to be pragmatic.

Yes, I would agree with all that.
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CIA destabilization op.

Find malcontents.

Train them in Israel

Send them back in with equipment and suitcases full of money.

Support with drones.

Same thing they did in Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.

Only place it won't happen is Saudi, because we need their oil.

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#6 jetpower3
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CIA destabilization op.

Find malcontents.

Train them in Israel

Send them back in with equipment and suitcases full of money.

Support with drones.

Same thing they did in Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.

Only place it won't happen is Saudi, because we need their oil.

ZombieKiller7

When did the CIA do that in Egypt?

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What an awful situation. I don't have much else to say. :{
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CIA destabilization op.

Find malcontents.

Train them in Israel

Send them back in with equipment and suitcases full of money.

Support with drones.

Same thing they did in Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.

Only place it won't happen is Saudi, because we need their oil.

ZombieKiller7
lol wut? If anything, America and Israel would prefer Bashar to stay in power since he doesnt cause too much trouble for the west. And when the hell were their drone strikes in Egypt?
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Feel bad for the average everyday person who just wants to live a normal life with friends and family.

Having said that, there is a certain poetic justice to think of Syria being Lebanonized.

And I definately will be LOL if Assad ends up swinging from a lamp post.

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Feel bad for the average everyday person who just wants to live a normal life with friends and family.

Having said that, there is a certain poetic justice to think of Syria being Lebanonized.

And I definately will be LOL if Assad ends up swinging from a lamp post.

SUD123456

I think Hezbollah and the Syrian government should pay for those crimes in Lebanon, not the Syrian people.

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#11 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Feel bad for the average everyday person who just wants to live a normal life with friends and family.

Having said that, there is a certain poetic justice to think of Syria being Lebanonized.

And I definately will be LOL if Assad ends up swinging from a lamp post.

BossPerson

I think Hezbollah and the Syrian government should pay for those crimes in Lebanon, not the Syrian people.

Good luck to that while Lebanon is in Assad's sphere of influence. Maybe not for long though.

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[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Feel bad for the average everyday person who just wants to live a normal life with friends and family.

Having said that, there is a certain poetic justice to think of Syria being Lebanonized.

And I definately will be LOL if Assad ends up swinging from a lamp post.

BossPerson

I think Hezbollah and the Syrian government should pay for those crimes in Lebanon, not the Syrian people.

I agree with you; hence my first line.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Feel bad for the average everyday person who just wants to live a normal life with friends and family.

Having said that, there is a certain poetic justice to think of Syria being Lebanonized.

And I definately will be LOL if Assad ends up swinging from a lamp post.

jetpower3

I think Hezbollah and the Syrian government should pay for those crimes in Lebanon, not the Syrian people.

Good luck to that while Lebanon is in Assad's sphere of influence. Maybe not for long though.

Hopefully if Assad falls, Hezbollah will weaken greatly. Lebanon can finally breathe if that happens. And if Israel attacks Iran, maybe Iraq can finally breathe too.
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Sounds like another job for America.

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Not true, its just lies created by the Liberal media to get us fighting another war. I hope you guys see through the fog and realize, wake up sheeple the end is near.

ROMNEY/SANTORUM 2012

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Not true, its just lies created by the Liberal media to get us fighting another war. I hope you guys see through the fog and realize, wake up sheeple the end is near.

ROMNEY/SANTORUM 2012

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[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

CIA destabilization op.

Find malcontents.

Train them in Israel

Send them back in with equipment and suitcases full of money.

Support with drones.

Same thing they did in Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.

Only place it won't happen is Saudi, because we need their oil.

BossPerson

lol wut? If anything, America and Israel would prefer Bashar to stay in power since he doesnt cause too much trouble for the west. And when the hell were their drone strikes in Egypt?

Golan Heights

They want Bashir out, and someone more compliant with the needs of Israel.

Regarding Egypt, there's ordnance that makes drone stikes look like a car bomb.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Not true, its just lies created by the Liberal media to get us fighting another war. I hope you guys see through the fog and realize, wake up sheeple the end is near.

ROMNEY/SANTORUM 2012

ghoklebutter

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END THE FED

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Not true, its just lies created by the Liberal media to get us fighting another war. I hope you guys see through the fog and realize, wake up sheeple the end is near.

ROMNEY/SANTORUM 2012

coolbeans90

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END THE FED

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

CIA destabilization op.

Find malcontents.

Train them in Israel

Send them back in with equipment and suitcases full of money.

Support with drones.

Same thing they did in Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.

Only place it won't happen is Saudi, because we need their oil.

ZombieKiller7

lol wut? If anything, America and Israel would prefer Bashar to stay in power since he doesnt cause too much trouble for the west. And when the hell were their drone strikes in Egypt?

Golan Heights

They want Bashir out, and someone more compliant with the needs of Israel.

Regarding Egypt, there's ordnance that makes drone stikes look like a car bomb.

No, Israel would still prefer a quiet leader who doesnt do much against Israel than the risk of an Islamic government that hates Israel. And regarding Egypt; any car bombs in the past year? You need to stop playing Splinter Cell......
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That's good news.

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WW3 will be fought in the middle east were watching the star .
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No, Israel would still prefer a quiet leader who doesnt do much against Israel than the risk of an Islamic government that hates Israel. And regarding Egypt; any car bombs in the past year? You need to stop playing Splinter Cell......BossPerson

Assad's not playing ball with the west.

They want him dead.

Regardless of drone strikes, I believe Egypt was a destabilization op.

I mean really, after 3 decades the people suddenly decide they don't like Hosni Mubarak? Baloney I say.

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#24 coolbeans90
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It seems to me that this new zombiekiller fellow and his hideous posting style are awful regardless of topic.

*ADMIRAL BEANS MENTALLY DELEGATES TO LOONY BIN*

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It seems to me that this new zombiekiller fellow and his hideous posting style are awful regardless of topic.coolbeans90

yes