The FBI is Trumpland': anti-Clinton atmosphere spurred leaks, sources say.

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Deep antipathy to Hillary Clinton exists within the FBI, multiple bureau sources have told the Guardian, spurring a rapid series of leaks damaging to her campaign just days before the election.

Current and former FBI officials, none of whom were willing or cleared to speak on the record, have described a chaotic internal climate that resulted from outrage over director James Comey’s July decision not to recommend an indictment over Clinton’s maintenance of a private email server on which classified information transited.

“The FBI is Trumpland,” said one current agent.

This atmosphere raises major questions about how Comey and the bureau he is slated to run for the next seven years can work with Clinton should she win the White House.

Sources who disputed the depth of Trump’s internal support agreed that the FBI is now in parlous political territory. Justice department officials – another current target of FBI dissatisfaction – have said the bureau disregarded longstanding rules against perceived or actual electoral interference when Comey wrote to Congress to say it was reviewing newly discovered emails relating to Clinton’s personal server.

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So, what's going on!?

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No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

Hyperbole like that is why the election is close at all. The executive branch is but one part of government.

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@topgunmv said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

Hyperbole like that is why the election is close at all. The executive branch is but one part of government.

Them doing their job is now "swaying an election".

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@topgunmv:

He's right though, and Americans would be cheated, because no question Hillary was going to win without the FBI cheap shot.

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people don't turn off their partisanship, whatever job they go into. I'm sure there are leanings both ways inside the FBI. That Comey has managed to piss both sides off I think is the best rebuttal against accusations of partisanship on his part. The real problem he has is that the FBI has become a shit-show over the past week and whatever the result, I can't see him finishing out his term.

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@topgunmv:

He's right though, and Americans would be cheated, because no question Hillary was going to win without the FBI cheap shot.

As much as I dislike Trump these kinda statements are pathetic to the point of being almost comical.

What kind of argument is that? Would she win without the media bias and random sexual assault accusations against Trump? What is it precisely that makes this specific event any worse than anything that's happened in the last couple months?

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Guess which agency loses funding in a Clinton presidency.....

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@n64dd said:
@topgunmv said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

Hyperbole like that is why the election is close at all. The executive branch is but one part of government.

Them doing their job is now "swaying an election".

Lol people are brainwashed by the media so hard it's pathetic really. Any headline will trick them into thinking anyone is evil...even the FBI!

Don't you get it? Anyone acting against Clinton's interest is EVIL!

EVIL I TELL YOU! I HEARD IT ON CNN!

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clinton was going to win without the comey thing. she's going to win now.

i have spoken

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@princeofshapeir: true, but instead of going to bed at 10 knowing the results, we now have to wait until midnight, or later, because the media is going to play the "too close to call" game with half the swing states. I'd rather this went down like 2008 when it was sure thing and no one could question the results.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

It's the fault of Hillary's cronies at the DNC for rigging the primaries through voter suppression.

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@Gaming-Planet said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

It's the fault of Hillary's cronies at the DNC for rigging the primaries through voter suppression.

Even Bernie isn't saying this. Come on man. Was he paid off too?

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@LJS9502_basic said:

No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

Wrong? but its ok for a Lying sack and corrupted to get away with the prefect?

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@princeofshapeir said:

clinton was going to win without the comey thing. she's going to win now.

i have spoken

Based on what ? polls? LOL if your beloved corrupted Hillary wins. We will see more of the same scandals and mass that Obama left in the middle east. Even Worse.

But u hillary backers have no brains to think or use at all. Hope you get drafted for Hillary's no fly zone in Syria which would need about 50k ground troops.

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Voting For the Queen of Lies Hillary wont change or bring anything what that idiot sanders wished for. He was an idiot from the start.

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#17  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@topgunmv said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

Hyperbole like that is why the election is close at all. The executive branch is but one part of government.

You can call it hyperbole if you want but Trump WILL have a negative effect on this country.

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Voting For the Queen of Lies Hillary wont change or bring anything what that idiot sanders wished for. He was an idiot from the start.

Fact checkers show Trump is the bigger liar. So don't be a hypocrite.

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Comey was in a damned if you do, damned if you don't spot. People would to accuse him of trying to sway the election if he had made this announcement later on too.

And lets be honest with ourselves. If Loretta Lynch had been in the same situation with some "possibly damning but we don't know for sure yet" documents about Trump's finances, everyone would be making the exact opposite arguments they are making now.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Gaming-Planet said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No clue but it's wrong for the FBI to sway an election. And if we get stuck with Trump over it...then the FBI has killed the country.

It's the fault of Hillary's cronies at the DNC for rigging the primaries through voter suppression.

Even Bernie isn't saying this. Come on man. Was he paid off too?

It was definitely being said during the primaries.

Bernie isn't saying anything now to save face of political career. His priorities have shifted in the senate to bring in fiscal responsibility.

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@Gaming-Planet said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

It's the fault of Hillary's cronies at the DNC for rigging the primaries through voter suppression.

Even Bernie isn't saying this. Come on man. Was he paid off too?

It was definitely being said during the primaries.

Bernie isn't saying anything now to save face of political career. His priorities have shifted in the senate to bring in fiscal responsibility.

Ah, the paid off (political capital) theory then. Gotcha. Despite him having fewer votes and delegates than Hillary.

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@judaspete said:

Comey was in a damned if you do, damned if you don't spot. People would to accuse him of trying to sway the election if he had made this announcement later on too.

And lets be honest with ourselves. If Loretta Lynch had been in the same situation with some "possibly damning but we don't know for sure yet" documents about Trump's finances, everyone would be making the exact opposite arguments they are making now.

He should never had said anything. He should have done his investigation and passed it up to the appropriate department. According to others in his position what he did WAS unprecedented. And that comes from both political parties.

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Hillary's own fault...why not blame the source? She brought it all on herself. The FBI just didn't decide to make things up regarding the emails just to sway the election ya know.

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@pimphand_gamer said:

Hillary's own fault...why not blame the source? She brought it all on herself. The FBI just didn't decide to make things up regarding the emails just to sway the election ya know.

According to the facts the FBI had no idea what if anything those emails say. They could be anything.

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Hillary's polices as first woman president. Here are her polices.

-Continue Obamacare premium increases.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

-Threatens a war with Russia/China

What has Obama and Hillary failed?

-Iranians are threatening to cut nuclear deal that Hillary is praising so much.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Iraq still a divided country fighting to get rid of ISIS

-Hillary supports merkel and her open border polices.

Oh well you had being warned.

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#26  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@CommandoAgent said:

Hillary's polices as first woman president. Here are her polices.

-Continue Obamacare premium increases.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

-Threatens a war with Russia/China

What has Obama and Hillary failed?

-Iranians are threatening to cut nuclear deal that Hillary is praising so much.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Iraq still a divided country fighting to get rid of ISIS

-Hillary supports merkel and her open border polices.

Oh well you had being warned.

The three things you listed under the policies are not policies. It is also of vital importance to look upon the strategy of the other candidate.

  • Donald Trump thinks we should just bomb any countries we dont like, and take their oil. This would lead to war after war, and would destroy US relations in the Middle East, as well as our standing worldwide.
  • Donald trump has no idea about Libya, and has demonstrated a complete lack of ignorance on the situation. He also supported the US ousting of Gaddafi.
  • He supported the Bush administration policies in Iraq over a year into the war. His complete ignorance on the nuance of the Iraq situation has been demonstrated by him, on national television, time and time again, in every facet possible.
  • Donald Trump supports a xenophobic state where we remove the illegal backbone of our economy that has supported men like him the most. This would destroy our economy quickly, destroy relations with one of our largest trading partners, and destroy our worldwide standing, as well as betraying our values as a nation. He also supports a complete ban on one of the world's largest religions, which would stoke flames in the Muslim world to unseen levels, as well as destroying any chance for moderate reformation.

How would Donald Trump approach any issue in a manner that is not a disaster? Hilary's plans have many warts to them, but at the very least, they are the product of adults. I do not trust Clinton on a plethora of issues, but at least I know she grasps the issues, and cannot be provoked into serious political disasters due to Twitter jabs. He does not have the demeanor, knowledge, insight, or ethics to slap his name on a building without shafting small companies and tax payers, much less run the ever evolving free world.

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#27  Edited By JimB
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There is a You Tube video A on the Body Count of the Clintons that details just how corrupt the Clintons are. It is almost two hours long and should be viewed by everyone. Compared to the Clintons, Trump has a halo above his head.

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FBI has always been a conservative-leaning, albeit allegedly neutral, agency. But yeah generally conservative. I mean these are the people that would raid your home for downloading a few songs, so...who they really serve, right? Don't forger their origins (Hoover)...

Can't really be surprised by what the FBI does in the end.

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@hillelslovak said:
@CommandoAgent said:

Hillary's polices as first woman president. Here are her polices.

-Continue Obamacare premium increases.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

-Threatens a war with Russia/China

What has Obama and Hillary failed?

-Iranians are threatening to cut nuclear deal that Hillary is praising so much.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Iraq still a divided country fighting to get rid of ISIS

-Hillary supports merkel and her open border polices.

Oh well you had being warned.

The three things you listed under the policies are not policies. It is also of vital importance to look upon the strategy of the other candidate.

  • Donald Trump thinks we should just bomb any countries we dont like, and take their oil. This would lead to war after war, and would destroy US relations in the Middle East, as well as our standing worldwide.
  • Donald trump has no idea about Libya, and has demonstrated a complete lack of ignorance on the situation. He also supported the US ousting of Gaddafi.
  • He supported the Bush administration policies in Iraq over a year into the war. His complete ignorance on the nuance of the Iraq situation has been demonstrated by him, on national television, time and time again, in every facet possible.
  • Donald Trump supports a xenophobic state where we remove the illegal backbone of our economy that has supported men like him the most. This would destroy our economy quickly, destroy relations with one of our largest trading partners, and destroy our worldwide standing, as well as betraying our values as a nation. He also supports a complete ban on one of the world's largest religions, which would stoke flames in the Muslim world to unseen levels, as well as destroying any chance for moderate reformation.

How would Donald Trump approach any issue in a manner that is not a disaster? Hilary's plans have many warts to them, but at the very least, they are the product of adults. I do not trust Clinton on a plethora of issues, but at least I know she grasps the issues, and cannot be provoked into serious political disasters due to Twitter jabs. He does not have the demeanor, knowledge, insight, or ethics to slap his name on a building without shafting small companies and tax payers, much less run the ever evolving free world.

"Donald Trump thinks we should just bomb any countries we dont like, and take their oil. This would lead to war after war, and would destroy US relations in the Middle East, as well as our standing worldwide."

Thats Hillary policy. Your queen of lies is a proud interventionist who is supported by Madeleine Albright and Paul Wolfowitz

"He supported the Bush administration policies in Iraq over a year into the war. His complete ignorance on the nuance of the Iraq situation has been demonstrated by him, on national television, time and time again, in every facet possible."

Hillary not only did she vote for the Bush administration policies in Iraq but she approved the Iraqi war to let it happen.

"Donald Trump supports a xenophobic state where we remove the illegal backbone of our economy that has supported men like him the most. This would destroy our economy quickly, destroy relations with one of our largest trading partners, and destroy our worldwide standing, as well as betraying our values as a nation. He also supports a complete ban on one of the world's largest religions, which would stoke flames in the Muslim world to unseen levels, as well as destroying any chance for moderate reformation."

LOL LOL yeah like how grand Germany and Sweden are being taken by migrants who arent interested in learning the language? u leftists should come to Bosnia, Sweden to see how grand your pathetic multiculturalism is working out there in Europe.

Don't use Canada as a comparison.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

FBI has always been a conservative-leaning, albeit allegedly neutral, agency. But yeah generally conservative. I mean these are the people that would raid your home for downloading a few songs, so...who they really serve, right? Don't forger their origins (Hoover)...

Can't really be surprised by what the FBI does in the end.

And CIA has being lefty leaning with their failed regime changes like as seen in Libya and so many others in the middle east.

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#31  Edited By deactivated-598fc45371265
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Hillary will probably have to do a Stalinesque purge of the fbi when she gets into office.

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@CommandoAgent: He's actually correct. You are not Those were Trumps words. Why do you Trump apologists always excuse his bad acts.

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@hillelslovak said:
@CommandoAgent said:

Hillary's polices as first woman president. Here are her polices.

-Continue Obamacare premium increases.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

-Threatens a war with Russia/China

What has Obama and Hillary failed?

-Iranians are threatening to cut nuclear deal that Hillary is praising so much.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Iraq still a divided country fighting to get rid of ISIS

-Hillary supports merkel and her open border polices.

Oh well you had being warned.

The three things you listed under the policies are not policies. It is also of vital importance to look upon the strategy of the other candidate.

  • Donald Trump thinks we should just bomb any countries we dont like, and take their oil. This would lead to war after war, and would destroy US relations in the Middle East, as well as our standing worldwide.
  • Donald trump has no idea about Libya, and has demonstrated a complete lack of ignorance on the situation. He also supported the US ousting of Gaddafi.
  • He supported the Bush administration policies in Iraq over a year into the war. His complete ignorance on the nuance of the Iraq situation has been demonstrated by him, on national television, time and time again, in every facet possible.
  • Donald Trump supports a xenophobic state where we remove the illegal backbone of our economy that has supported men like him the most. This would destroy our economy quickly, destroy relations with one of our largest trading partners, and destroy our worldwide standing, as well as betraying our values as a nation. He also supports a complete ban on one of the world's largest religions, which would stoke flames in the Muslim world to unseen levels, as well as destroying any chance for moderate reformation.

How would Donald Trump approach any issue in a manner that is not a disaster? Hilary's plans have many warts to them, but at the very least, they are the product of adults. I do not trust Clinton on a plethora of issues, but at least I know she grasps the issues, and cannot be provoked into serious political disasters due to Twitter jabs. He does not have the demeanor, knowledge, insight, or ethics to slap his name on a building without shafting small companies and tax payers, much less run the ever evolving free world.

I noticed you leftists completely avoided and ignored my mention of the following.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

I guess wars under democrats are always noble and just? funny there are no complaints that West, Obama and HRC are supporting Jihadists whom Hillary are calling Rebels.

Yes that man in the image is a rebel fighter who blew himself up for Freedom in Aleppo while his buddies failed badly in Aleppo. These are the kind of Subhumans Hillary and DNC support in Syria.

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No one to blame but Hillary and her campaign. We already know her staff worked hard to destory and hide evidence. Laptops, phones, tablets, and USB drives were "lost". Or destroyed with hammers. With left over devices bleached bit after receiving a subpoena.

And now like any other criminal or shady organization. They forgot that one tiny piece of hair at the crime scene. So now they're paying for their folly. Comney's earlier recommendation already helped her campaign instead of destroy it. To suggest the FBI is now on the Trump wagon is silly.

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#35  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@CommandoAgent said:
@hillelslovak said:
@CommandoAgent said:

Hillary's polices as first woman president. Here are her polices.

-Continue Obamacare premium increases.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

-Threatens a war with Russia/China

What has Obama and Hillary failed?

-Iranians are threatening to cut nuclear deal that Hillary is praising so much.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Iraq still a divided country fighting to get rid of ISIS

-Hillary supports merkel and her open border polices.

Oh well you had being warned.

The three things you listed under the policies are not policies. It is also of vital importance to look upon the strategy of the other candidate.

  • Donald Trump thinks we should just bomb any countries we dont like, and take their oil. This would lead to war after war, and would destroy US relations in the Middle East, as well as our standing worldwide.
  • Donald trump has no idea about Libya, and has demonstrated a complete lack of ignorance on the situation. He also supported the US ousting of Gaddafi.
  • He supported the Bush administration policies in Iraq over a year into the war. His complete ignorance on the nuance of the Iraq situation has been demonstrated by him, on national television, time and time again, in every facet possible.
  • Donald Trump supports a xenophobic state where we remove the illegal backbone of our economy that has supported men like him the most. This would destroy our economy quickly, destroy relations with one of our largest trading partners, and destroy our worldwide standing, as well as betraying our values as a nation. He also supports a complete ban on one of the world's largest religions, which would stoke flames in the Muslim world to unseen levels, as well as destroying any chance for moderate reformation.

How would Donald Trump approach any issue in a manner that is not a disaster? Hilary's plans have many warts to them, but at the very least, they are the product of adults. I do not trust Clinton on a plethora of issues, but at least I know she grasps the issues, and cannot be provoked into serious political disasters due to Twitter jabs. He does not have the demeanor, knowledge, insight, or ethics to slap his name on a building without shafting small companies and tax payers, much less run the ever evolving free world.

I noticed you leftists completely avoided and ignored my mention of the following.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

I guess wars under democrats are always noble and just? funny there are no complaints that West, Obama and HRC are supporting Jihadists whom Hillary are calling Rebels.

Yes that man in the image is a rebel fighter who blew himself up for Freedom in Aleppo while his buddies failed badly in Aleppo. These are the kind of Subhumans Hillary and DNC support in Syria.

Ah, here come the absolutist platitudes. When did I say Hilary and the democrats are always just?

My point about the policies, which I already articulated, was to contrast her policies with those of Trump. All the nuance about the fighting in the ME seems to have been lost on you. Lets give you the power. You need a sizeable, local force to fight ISIS. Who do you choose? You have 50 trillion groups with different aims. Salafist, Wahhabist, Sunni, Shia, etc etc with inter discipline schisms, yet all hate non Muslims in their territory. So, you need to fight ISIS, an extremist group, who would you choose? And where do you make the distinction between good Muslim freedom fighters and ones people in the West would deem terrorists?

And please, do not simply, like Trump, go "Good deals, sneaks attacks, planning, people!" If you have such a problem with Hilary's policy to the point of supporting a man who is entirely ignorant on every piece of policy he has ever uttered a word about, please contrast her policies with policies proposed by you, or ones you would like to see Trump implement in the region.

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I mentioned it earlier today, but a big part of me believes Comey has handled this the way he did specifically because he doesn't like Clinton or want her to win. I have yet to see evidence of how I am wrong for thinking so.

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If you dislike and cannot vote for Donald Trump, I can totally understand and respect that, but I cannot understand why anyone would then turn around and vote for Hillary Clinton. At this point with everything that has come out about her, you still want to vote for her, I really don't know what your motives are, but they are not in the interests of the USA. There is enough dirt on her that you can no longer say it's just conspiracy against her. She is at worst corrupt and guilty of treason, and at best everything that is wrong with politics.

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@JimB said:

There is a You Tube video A on the Body Count of the Clintonsthat details just how corrupt the Clintons are. It is almost two hours long and should be viewed by everyone. Compared to the Clintons, Trump has a halo above his head.

You can at least show yourself some respect by not parroting a claim that everyone with any sense already knows has been debunked for years.

Sigh... Let's take a wider view and make this post about more than Clinton and broader than the election.

The Republican base has embraced lunacy as a mainstream strategy rather than attempting to keep it on the fringes where it belongs. Now I see garbage like this meme all the time (see below). Look at that - it's like a child's first attempt at a word problem. Ignoring all the holes in the logic and missing information such as how tax brackets work, effect on supply/demand, fixed costs vs unit costs, scale, etc. it doesn't even calculate percentages right - if my son turned this in as part of his grade school homework it wouldn't pass muster. Yet I see this posted all over the place!

The Republican party has created a culture where it allows, even nurtures, misinformation and ignorance. If you have any respect for the party you need to work to end that culture. If you don't, then at least stop being a part of it - you owe yourself that much.

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@hillelslovak said:
@CommandoAgent said:
@hillelslovak said:
@CommandoAgent said:

Hillary's polices as first woman president. Here are her polices.

-Continue Obamacare premium increases.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

-Threatens a war with Russia/China

What has Obama and Hillary failed?

-Iranians are threatening to cut nuclear deal that Hillary is praising so much.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Iraq still a divided country fighting to get rid of ISIS

-Hillary supports merkel and her open border polices.

Oh well you had being warned.

The three things you listed under the policies are not policies. It is also of vital importance to look upon the strategy of the other candidate.

  • Donald Trump thinks we should just bomb any countries we dont like, and take their oil. This would lead to war after war, and would destroy US relations in the Middle East, as well as our standing worldwide.
  • Donald trump has no idea about Libya, and has demonstrated a complete lack of ignorance on the situation. He also supported the US ousting of Gaddafi.
  • He supported the Bush administration policies in Iraq over a year into the war. His complete ignorance on the nuance of the Iraq situation has been demonstrated by him, on national television, time and time again, in every facet possible.
  • Donald Trump supports a xenophobic state where we remove the illegal backbone of our economy that has supported men like him the most. This would destroy our economy quickly, destroy relations with one of our largest trading partners, and destroy our worldwide standing, as well as betraying our values as a nation. He also supports a complete ban on one of the world's largest religions, which would stoke flames in the Muslim world to unseen levels, as well as destroying any chance for moderate reformation.

How would Donald Trump approach any issue in a manner that is not a disaster? Hilary's plans have many warts to them, but at the very least, they are the product of adults. I do not trust Clinton on a plethora of issues, but at least I know she grasps the issues, and cannot be provoked into serious political disasters due to Twitter jabs. He does not have the demeanor, knowledge, insight, or ethics to slap his name on a building without shafting small companies and tax payers, much less run the ever evolving free world.

I noticed you leftists completely avoided and ignored my mention of the following.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

I guess wars under democrats are always noble and just? funny there are no complaints that West, Obama and HRC are supporting Jihadists whom Hillary are calling Rebels.

Yes that man in the image is a rebel fighter who blew himself up for Freedom in Aleppo while his buddies failed badly in Aleppo. These are the kind of Subhumans Hillary and DNC support in Syria.

Ah, here come the absolutist platitudes. When did I say Hilary and the democrats are always just?

My point about the policies, which I already articulated, was to contrast her policies with those of Trump. All the nuance about the fighting in the ME seems to have been lost on you. Lets give you the power. You need a sizeable, local force to fight ISIS. Who do you choose? You have 50 trillion groups with different aims. Salafist, Wahhabist, Sunni, Shia, etc etc with inter discipline schisms, yet all hate non Muslims in their territory. So, you need to fight ISIS, an extremist group, who would you choose? And where do you make the distinction between good Muslim freedom fighters and ones people in the West would deem terrorists?

And please, do not simply, like Trump, go "Good deals, sneaks attacks, planning, people!" If you have such a problem with Hilary's policy to the point of supporting a man who is entirely ignorant on every piece of policy he has ever uttered a word about, please contrast her policies with policies proposed by you, or ones you would like to see Trump implement in the region.

"All the nuance about the fighting in the ME seems to have been lost on you. Lets give you the power. You need a sizeable, local force to fight ISIS. Who do you choose? You have 50 trillion groups with different aims. Salafist, Wahhabist, Sunni, Shia, etc etc with inter discipline schisms, yet all hate non Muslims in their territory. So, you need to fight ISIS, an extremist group, who would you choose? And where do you make the distinction between good Muslim freedom fighters and ones people in the West would deem terrorists?"

LOL You leftists are pathetic. Good Muslim freedom fighters? like how lovely Hillary's and Obama;s Libya has being? five years no democracy, an Islamist government is running Libya in the west and while Eastern Libya wants to take over in Tripoli.

Everyday in Libya, Libyans are facing blackouts and water shortages thats something that your HOLY HOLY CNN and leftist news outlets arent willing to report. The real journalism has being dead since the end of the 80s cold war.

Now as for Syria Rebels dont have the majority support of all Syrians, Christians aren't with them nor Kurds.

"If you have such a problem with Hilary's policy to the point of supporting a man who is entirely ignorant on every piece of policy he has ever uttered a word about, please contrast her policies with policies proposed by you, or ones you would like to see Trump implement in the region."

Obama and Hillary polices Regime Change polices already had done a fine job of implementing the region already. If you haven't noticed already. I guess leftists like you are completely with Hillary's drive with a no fly zone which could lead to war between Syria and Russia?

I guess when the leftists start wars or bomb people there is no outrage ugh?

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@mattbbpl said:
@JimB said:

There is a You Tube video A on the Body Count of the Clintonsthat details just how corrupt the Clintons are. It is almost two hours long and should be viewed by everyone. Compared to the Clintons, Trump has a halo above his head.

You can at least show yourself some respect by not parroting a claim that everyone with any sense already knows has been debunked for years.

Sigh... Let's take a wider view and make this post about more than Clinton and broader than the election.

The Republican base has embraced lunacy as a mainstream strategy rather than attempting to keep it on the fringes where it belongs. Now I see garbage like this meme all the time (see below). Look at that - it's like a child's first attempt at a word problem. Ignoring all the holes in the logic and missing information such as how tax brackets work, effect on supply/demand, fixed costs vs unit costs, scale, etc. it doesn't even calculate percentages right - if my son turned this in as part of his grade school homework it wouldn't pass muster. Yet I see this posted all over the place!

The Republican party has created a culture where it allows, even nurtures, misinformation and ignorance. If you have any respect for the party you need to work to end that culture. If you don't, then at least stop being a part of it - you owe yourself that much.

"The Republican party has created a culture where it allows, even nurtures, misinformation and ignorance. If you have any respect for the party you need to work to end that culture. If you don't, then at least stop being a part of it - you owe yourself that much."

Leftists agenda in Europe is doing such a fine job dividing Europe. Not surprising that nationalists are rising.

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Oh yes and Hillary's wants to continue Obamacare. How lovely.

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@Bushido415 said:

If you dislike and cannot vote for Donald Trump, I can totally understand and respect that, but I cannot understand why anyone would then turn around and vote for Hillary Clinton. At this point with everything that has come out about her, you still want to vote for her, I really don't know what your motives are, but they are not in the interests of the USA. There is enough dirt on her that you can no longer say it's just conspiracy against her. She is at worst corrupt and guilty of treason, and at best everything that is wrong with politics.

So so so many reasons.

The CBO has projected that Clinton's economic plans would result in an increase of 7 million more jobs than the current projection, and Trump is projected to have a net loss of 3 million which is basically electing another recession. Trump wants to set us back on climate change regulations, and possibly destroy the world's commitment to reduce greenhouse gasses and we're already way behind on that front, where as Clinton wants to improve the regulations.

I can go on if you want me too (just ask), but those are pretty damn big in my opinion.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x3iGuSUekA

3 Years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnXgI74gvKo

"Hillary Clinton Campaign Manager Dodges Questions On Syria Policy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcTvIhDUVig

In 2011/2012 the regime change in Libya started in March. Your beloved queen of lies and wars is probably going to start the military intervention agaisnt Syria around March/April.

You being warned but seeing how you don't listen why do i even bother? you want another Angela Merkel because shes a Woman.

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@pimphand_gamer said:

Hillary's own fault...why not blame the source? She brought it all on herself. The FBI just didn't decide to make things up regarding the emails just to sway the election ya know.

No doubt she's the first person to blame. But when someone fucks up, you don't get a "free ****-up" card that excuses yourself from anything you may do subsequently. That's not how law nor ethics works. So it's accurate to say this is her fault (although I would say it is more immediately Bill's fault for getting on that plane, causing Lynch to basically distance herself from the case), but Comey's actions are individually subject to review as well.

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@CommandoAgent said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x3iGuSUekA

3 Years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnXgI74gvKo

"Hillary Clinton Campaign Manager Dodges Questions On Syria Policy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcTvIhDUVig

In 2011/2012 the regime change in Libya started in March. Your beloved queen of lies and wars is probably going to start the military intervention agaisnt Syria around March/April.

You being warned but seeing how you don't listen why do i even bother? you want another Angela Merkel because shes a Woman.

As LJ mentioned to you above (which you ignored), Trump has been proven to lie far more often than Hillary has throughout the course of this campaign.

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@Serraph105 said:
@Bushido415 said:

If you dislike and cannot vote for Donald Trump, I can totally understand and respect that, but I cannot understand why anyone would then turn around and vote for Hillary Clinton. At this point with everything that has come out about her, you still want to vote for her, I really don't know what your motives are, but they are not in the interests of the USA. There is enough dirt on her that you can no longer say it's just conspiracy against her. She is at worst corrupt and guilty of treason, and at best everything that is wrong with politics.

So so so many reasons.

The CBO has projected that Clinton's economic plans would result in an increase of 7 million more jobs than the current projection, and Trump is projected to have a net loss of 3 million which is basically electing another recession. Trump wants to set us back on climate change regulations, and possibly destroy the world's commitment to reduce greenhouse gasses and we're already way behind on that front, where as Clinton wants to improve the regulations.

I can go on if you want me too (just ask), but those are pretty damn big in my opinion.

LOL The CBO has projected that Clinton's economic plans would result in an increase of 7 million more jobs than the current projection? really now. If anyone would that led to another recession that would be Hillary. But hey you LEFTISTS never learn.

"Trump wants to set us back on climate change regulations, and possibly destroy the world's commitment to reduce greenhouse gasses and we're already way behind on that front, where as Clinton wants to improve the regulations."

This climate change fear mongering is complete BS just like how when gore claimed ice caps will be gone. But it isn't. In Canada climate change are forcing home owners to pay for their gas bills, if anything this the same and similar polices you leftists are willing to put through.

Ontario won’t reveal climate-change charges on gas bills

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@CommandoAgent said:
@hillelslovak said:
@CommandoAgent said:
@hillelslovak said:
@CommandoAgent said:

Hillary's polices as first woman president. Here are her polices.

-Continue Obamacare premium increases.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

-Threatens a war with Russia/China

What has Obama and Hillary failed?

-Iranians are threatening to cut nuclear deal that Hillary is praising so much.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Iraq still a divided country fighting to get rid of ISIS

-Hillary supports merkel and her open border polices.

Oh well you had being warned.

The three things you listed under the policies are not policies. It is also of vital importance to look upon the strategy of the other candidate.

  • Donald Trump thinks we should just bomb any countries we dont like, and take their oil. This would lead to war after war, and would destroy US relations in the Middle East, as well as our standing worldwide.
  • Donald trump has no idea about Libya, and has demonstrated a complete lack of ignorance on the situation. He also supported the US ousting of Gaddafi.
  • He supported the Bush administration policies in Iraq over a year into the war. His complete ignorance on the nuance of the Iraq situation has been demonstrated by him, on national television, time and time again, in every facet possible.
  • Donald Trump supports a xenophobic state where we remove the illegal backbone of our economy that has supported men like him the most. This would destroy our economy quickly, destroy relations with one of our largest trading partners, and destroy our worldwide standing, as well as betraying our values as a nation. He also supports a complete ban on one of the world's largest religions, which would stoke flames in the Muslim world to unseen levels, as well as destroying any chance for moderate reformation.

How would Donald Trump approach any issue in a manner that is not a disaster? Hilary's plans have many warts to them, but at the very least, they are the product of adults. I do not trust Clinton on a plethora of issues, but at least I know she grasps the issues, and cannot be provoked into serious political disasters due to Twitter jabs. He does not have the demeanor, knowledge, insight, or ethics to slap his name on a building without shafting small companies and tax payers, much less run the ever evolving free world.

I noticed you leftists completely avoided and ignored my mention of the following.

-Libya is a failed state with its economy failing.

-Continue to support the Jihadists in Syria.

I guess wars under democrats are always noble and just? funny there are no complaints that West, Obama and HRC are supporting Jihadists whom Hillary are calling Rebels.

Yes that man in the image is a rebel fighter who blew himself up for Freedom in Aleppo while his buddies failed badly in Aleppo. These are the kind of Subhumans Hillary and DNC support in Syria.

Ah, here come the absolutist platitudes. When did I say Hilary and the democrats are always just?

My point about the policies, which I already articulated, was to contrast her policies with those of Trump. All the nuance about the fighting in the ME seems to have been lost on you. Lets give you the power. You need a sizeable, local force to fight ISIS. Who do you choose? You have 50 trillion groups with different aims. Salafist, Wahhabist, Sunni, Shia, etc etc with inter discipline schisms, yet all hate non Muslims in their territory. So, you need to fight ISIS, an extremist group, who would you choose? And where do you make the distinction between good Muslim freedom fighters and ones people in the West would deem terrorists?

And please, do not simply, like Trump, go "Good deals, sneaks attacks, planning, people!" If you have such a problem with Hilary's policy to the point of supporting a man who is entirely ignorant on every piece of policy he has ever uttered a word about, please contrast her policies with policies proposed by you, or ones you would like to see Trump implement in the region.

"All the nuance about the fighting in the ME seems to have been lost on you. Lets give you the power. You need a sizeable, local force to fight ISIS. Who do you choose? You have 50 trillion groups with different aims. Salafist, Wahhabist, Sunni, Shia, etc etc with inter discipline schisms, yet all hate non Muslims in their territory. So, you need to fight ISIS, an extremist group, who would you choose? And where do you make the distinction between good Muslim freedom fighters and ones people in the West would deem terrorists?"

LOL You leftists are pathetic. Good Muslim freedom fighters? like how lovely Hillary's and Obama;s Libya has being? five years no democracy, an Islamist government is running Libya in the west and while Eastern Libya wants to take over in Tripoli.

Everyday in Libya, Libyans are facing blackouts and water shortages thats something that your HOLY HOLY CNN and leftist news outlets arent willing to report. The real journalism has being dead since the end of the 80s cold war.

Now as for Syria Rebels dont have the majority support of all Syrians, Christians aren't with them nor Kurds.

"If you have such a problem with Hilary's policy to the point of supporting a man who is entirely ignorant on every piece of policy he has ever uttered a word about, please contrast her policies with policies proposed by you, or ones you would like to see Trump implement in the region."

Obama and Hillary polices Regime Change polices already had done a fine job of implementing the region already. If you haven't noticed already. I guess leftists like you are completely with Hillary's drive with a no fly zone which could lead to war between Syria and Russia?

I guess when the leftists start wars or bomb people there is no outrage ugh?

Are you unable to utilize what you read? I do not support Hilary clinton, the Democratic Party, and I do not watch CNN nor do I support them in any way.

My entire point about so called freedom fighters went over your head. Most of these groups would fight US forces if given half a chance. So, if the US needs a local force, which any analyst or military expert would deem necessary but not sufficient, who would you choose? You are damning her choices, without even a shred of a plan to put into it's place, just like trump, who merely has bitchy platitudes and insults.

Please, actually explain what you would do differently, or what you think Trump would do.

I dont need to say stupid crap like "You conservatives are pathetic, etc etc etc." in order to try to blacken the other side of the political discourse. I want to know what you and the man you support would actually do. What would he do?

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@Serraph105: Indeed, those are valid reasons, and thank you for not mudslinging, but I would like citations before I agree with you since you are quoting official sources.

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@Serraph105 said:
@CommandoAgent said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x3iGuSUekA

3 Years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnXgI74gvKo

"Hillary Clinton Campaign Manager Dodges Questions On Syria Policy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcTvIhDUVig

In 2011/2012 the regime change in Libya started in March. Your beloved queen of lies and wars is probably going to start the military intervention agaisnt Syria around March/April.

You being warned but seeing how you don't listen why do i even bother? you want another Angela Merkel because shes a Woman.

As LJ mentioned to you above (which you ignored), Trump has been proven to lie far more often than Hillary has throughout the course of this campaign.

And as you leftists continue to ignore Hillary will be elected far as the worst most corrupted who had being investigated by the FBI not once but twice, your beloved Witch Hillary countless lied about her emails and guess what? she even lied that she was in New York during 9/11 which clearer she wasn't.

"Trump has been proven to lie far more often than Hillary has throughout the course of this campaign"

Hillary lied about the emails and continues to do so.

She ignores the press on the matter.

She lied about Libya and benghazi inculding when she claimed that no American but an American did die.

You leftists are a complete joke and disgrace, you seem to be completely ok with Obama wars. You leftists only complain about wars when a Republican starts them.

Your pathetic.

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I hope you leftists enjoy premiums increases next year. Now dont start

@Serraph105 said:
@CommandoAgent said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x3iGuSUekA

3 Years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnXgI74gvKo

"Hillary Clinton Campaign Manager Dodges Questions On Syria Policy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcTvIhDUVig

In 2011/2012 the regime change in Libya started in March. Your beloved queen of lies and wars is probably going to start the military intervention agaisnt Syria around March/April.

You being warned but seeing how you don't listen why do i even bother? you want another Angela Merkel because shes a Woman.

As LJ mentioned to you above (which you ignored), Trump has been proven to lie far more often than Hillary has throughout the course of this campaign.

"Trump has been proven to lie far more often than Hillary has throughout the course of this campaign"

Proven by whom? Queen Hillary? LOL CNN? Factcheck?

Obamacare Plan Premiums In 2017 Higher Than Expected And For Worse Coverage

don't start complaining next year when the Premiums start rolling in with a higher price tag.