The God concept is scary

The God concept is scary as hell. I think I've seen God and I'm beginning to be afraid of him.

I don't want to live my life knowing there is a God watching everything I do, testing me all the time, punishing me if I behaved badly and reading my mind and thoughts. I want to be free.

The concept of an all-seeing God watching everything I do, testing me all the time, reading my mind and thoughts and punishing me for bad bahavior is a complete antithesis to freedom and democracy and inevitably leads to totalitarianism.

How do you think you've seen God?

Ooh, he's scary, we should worship him!

How do you think you've seen God?BumFluff122

I can't exactly explain how but I'm constantly hearing voices in my head. And people also act strangely like they're reading my mind and thoughts.

The concept of an all-seeing God watching everything I do, testing me all the time, reading my mind and thoughts and punishing me for bad bahavior is a complete antithesis to freedom and democracy and inevitably leads to totalitarianism.

X4D

Correct me if im wrong but, aside from freedom ( and its not even in the same context but w/e) aren't these Humanistic views and not divine?

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How do you think you've seen God?X4D

I can't exactly explain how butI'm constantly hearing voices in my head. And people also act strangely like they're reading my mind and thoughts.

Yeh, that's just you going insane. Not God.AAllxxjjnn

I doubt it. I think it's really him and he's watching and testing me all the time. The concept of an all-seeing, all-knowing, omni-present God who is reading you, controlling you, testing you and punishing you all the time is the very definition of terrorism.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Yeh, that's just you going insane. Not God.X4D

I doubt it. I think it's really him and he's watching and testing me all the time. The concept of anall-seeing, all-knowing, omni-present God who is reading you, testing you and punishing you all the time is the very definition of terrorism.

Your purposely taking it out of context which pummels anyone on here taking you serious in the slightest. Do you have any decent arguements or facts to back this up other than your own mis-guided views on christianity and God?

yeah yeah.

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How do you think you've seen God?X4D

I can't exactly explain how but I'm constantly hearing voices in my head. And people also act strangely like they're reading my mind and thoughts.

This is very disturbing to me, i have a friend who's son was thinking the same things and hearing voices which were causing his behaviour to deteriorate badly, he was eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia and is now on heavy medication which has helped him out alot but he's still not fully recovered.

Please go and talk to ur doctor about these thoughts and the voices, its really nothing to be ashamed of and the doctor will not think ur 'mad or crazy' as some people here have suggested, he can and will help u.

If left unchecked this can and will spiral out of control and its really not a pleasant thing for u or ur family to live with when theres very good help available.

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How do you think you've seen God?AAllxxjjnn

I can't exactly explain how butI'm constantly hearing voices in my head. And people also act strangely like they're reading my mind and thoughts.

The older I get, the more this God guy starts to seem like a figment of people's imaginations, like the Easter Bunny or Santa. Really, what a jerk. You can't see me, hear me, or even prove that I exist, but I supposedly talked to some people who wandered deserts on a daily basis and quite possibly were delirious, and if you don't blindly believe in what these guys said about me, I'll set you ablaze for all eternity. Who would honestly do that? I don't even think humans are that cruel...

I don't really think you get God. He's not hunched over your shoulder waiting for you to make a mistake so he can punish you. He's more like a parent watching their child play in the sandbox. Also I hate to break it to you dude. But voices in your head is not exactly God's chosen form of communication. You should probably get that checked out.artichoke

So when people heard voices and had visions 2000 years ago it was god talking to them, but when it happens to someone now it's schizophrenia? I'm not trying to defend him because he does sound disturbed, but doesn't this line of thinking water down the argument that everything in the Bible DID happen EXACTLY the way the Bible tells it and there is NO WAY any of it could have been anything but god's divine intervention? Perhaps Moses was a schizophrenic?

Also, who's to tell him his views on Christianity are misguided? Religion is largely a matter of perception, he sees religion in this way the same way any believer sees it as the worship of the one divine god. To me, it simply seems like he's having questions that everyone who questions their religion has, and if he decides that his view on Christianity is that hell is used as a way of scaring people into doing the right/church approved things, who's to say that his view is wrong?

George Carlin described it as "cruel."

I take it some people here have not read Job 38...

Even if there is a God, I think he must be corrupt and even evil. He must be bad if he lets bad things happen to innocent people or simply plays with us like we were his toys and punishes us for bad behavior when he knows in advance what we are going to do. He is corrupt that he demands worship from us. A good God will not demand worship from his creations. The fact that he demands worship from us says that he either: A) not all-powerful because he needs our approval. B) That he has some sort of "superiority complex" over his creations and really needs to treat us like puppets.

I have little respect for a God who punishes people for not wanting to believe in him or for wanting to be free from his might. I believe such a God is either not all-powerful or not so good to begin with.

I take it some people here have not read Job 38...

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The God concept is scary as hell. I think I've seen God and I'm beginning to be afraid of him.

I don't want to live my life knowing there is a God watching everything I do, testing me all the time, punishing me if I behaved badly and reading my mind and thoughts. I want to be free.

The concept of an all-seeing God watching everything I do, testing me all the time, reading my mind and thoughts and punishing me for bad bahavior is a complete antithesis to freedom and democracy and inevitably leads to totalitarianism.

X4D

Mega lolz!!! I've just been posting in the mods thread that is going at the min and then come and see your post. What an analogy lol

Hence the "freedom in Christ" that comes through Jesus Christ. No longer does the individual have to live in guilt and shame.mindstorm

Yeah, I don't like the concept of that God, either. I can't see how he would fair, just, loving, etc., in the slightest. I mean, he has list upon list of rules, stating you cannot do perfectly natural things. And if you brake those rules and fail to repent for them, you burn in agonizing hell fire for all eternity. :?

Yeah, I don't like the concept of that God, either. I can't see how he would fair, just, loving, etc., in the slightest. I mean, he has list upon list of rules, stating you cannot do perfectly natural things. And if you brake those rules and fail to repent for them, you burn in agonizing hell fire for all eternity. :Dark_Knight6

I think there is a God but he is not all powerful and does not fully control the material part of the world. He may be good and caring but is not all-powerful.

My theory is that God only controls the spiritual or mental elements in the world but he doesn't have full control or influence over the material aspects. For example he can't stop the sun from shining during the day, make the earth stop spinning or make it snow in the Sahara desert. It's sort of like duality, there is the spiritual/religious interpretation but there is also the material interpretation for almost everything in the world.

The fact that our world is dual in nature can be proven. For example when physicists say they found anti-matter, it could also be interpreted that they found something that is against matter.

you know what you need a lovely hot bath :D

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Yeah, I don't like the concept of that God, either. I can't see how he would fair, just, loving, etc., in the slightest. I mean, he has list upon list of rules, stating you cannot do perfectly natural things. And if you brake those rules and fail to repent for them, you burn in agonizing hell fire for all eternity. :X4D

I think there is a God but he is not all powerful and does not fully control the material part of the world. He may be good and caring but is not all-powerful.

My theory is that God only controls the spiritual or mental elements in the world but he doesn't have full control or influence over the material aspects. For example he can't stop the sun from shining during the day, make the earth stop spinning or make it snow in the Sahara desert. It's sort of like duality, there is the spiritual aspect but there is also the material aspect which God does not fully control.

The fact that our world is dual in nature can be proven. For example when physicists say they found anti-matter, it could also be interpreted that they found something that is against matter.

Well, I believe in some form of a higher power but how much power it has and why it chooses to do the things it does are a mystery to me. That being said, I don't see how a book (written by man) can fully describe this being's thoughts or feelings. Nor do I see why it would even enact half of the ridiculous rules written in said book.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Yeh, that's just you going insane. Not God.X4D

I doubt it. I think it's really him and he's watching and testing me all the time. The concept of an all-seeing, all-knowing, omni-present God who is reading you, controlling you, testing you and punishing you all the time is the very definition of terrorism.

\Well, I believe in some form of a higher power but how much power it has and why it chooses to do the things it does are a mystery to me. That being said, I don't see how a book (written by man) can fully describe this being's thoughts or feelings. Nor do I see why it would even enact half of the ridiculous rules written in said book.Dark_Knight6

Well said! Fantastic avatar as well mindstorm. :)maheo30

*sigh* that's one of the problems with many non-christians today, they seem to think that God is just there to keep you in line and that you should be a christian just so you don't go to hell. That isn't the case.Head_of_games

How would he be able to judge someone on judgement day if he hadn't seen everything they've done? If he didn't see everything that that person does, he wouldn't be qualified to judge.

Yeah, I don't like the concept of that God, either. I can't see how he would fair, just, loving, etc., in the slightest. I mean, he has list upon list of rules, stating you cannot do perfectly natural things. And if you brake those rules and fail to repent for them, you burn in agonizing hell fire for all eternity. :?

Dark_Knight6

Extreme paranoia and hearing things inside your head are strong symptoms to schizophrenia. You should get professional help. I'm not joking.

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How do you think you've seen God?X4D

I can't exactly explain how but I'm constantly hearing voices in my head. And people also act strangely like they're reading my mind and thoughts.

NO he's not! When I die, god is going to give my own region and my own mansion because, well....He's god, and that's kickass of him to do, giving me a mansion that is. Go god go! 8)

Oh and in the middle it's going to have this kickass courtyard semi garden that's labyrinthian and endless and stuff...And in my mansion there will be secret chambers, SECRET CHAMBERS! How cool is that?

So yes! God is awesome.

It is scary. So people go to Jesus to get "saved". Sounds like a good idea right? You get to go to a nice place called heaven and not hell where you burn for eternity. It's all scare tactics. I don't buy it. 0Tyler0

Are you doubting God's ability to speak to his creation or his creation's inability to understand the creator? Would it not be possible for God to teach his truth through a book? mindstorm

If you're speaking of your God, then I doubt his entire existence. If the Bible is truly that God's word, then he isn't loving, or fair, or kind. As far as I'm concerned, there is a higher power that chooses not to directly interact with us, for whatever reason.

You don't go to hell because you break rules you go because you're a sinner. If you subscribe to any notion of justice or order in the universe sin cannot go unpunished. The punishment is hell. The whole idea, however, is that God took your punishment upon himself because he loves you. God doesn't send you to hell. You go because its just. Surely you're not against the punishment of criminals? What God does is give you a second chance by taking all your sins upon himself. But in order for him to take your sins you have to die in a manner. You have to die to yourself and give your life and your actions to God. Its not easy by any means but you have a peace and happiness found nowhere else.Penguinchow

Sure, I agree in punishment of criminals. Assuming it's fair, of course. Giving someone an infinite punishment for finite crimes, however bad they are, is entirely unjust. As for the "peace and happiness," I was of the Christian faith, at one point. The last thing I found, at the end of it all, was peace and happiness. If God truly loved me, things would have played out differently.

[QUOTE="0Tyler0"]It is scary. So people go to Jesus to get "saved". Sounds like a good idea right? You get to go to a nice place called heaven and not hell where you burn for eternity. It's all scare tactics. I don't buy it. mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="0Tyler0"]It is scary. So people go to Jesus to get "saved". Sounds like a good idea right? You get to go to a nice place called heaven and not hell where you burn for eternity. It's all scare tactics. I don't buy it. SeanDog123

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Hence the reason why I do not preach the gospel in such a manner. It's not about "being saved" but entering into a relationship with the Father.mindstorm

You might want to do some research before making that claim.

http://www.bookrags.com/news/modern-pagans-honor-zeus-in-athens-moc/

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Yeah, but your missing the point. Their is no "father," you and many others are simply putting your beliefs into something that is not real. Why did you chose Jesus, why not Zeus or some other god?chessmaster1989

You might want to do some research before making that claim.

http://www.bookrags.com/news/modern-pagans-honor-zeus-in-athens-moc/

[QUOTE="0Tyler0"]It is scary. So people go to Jesus to get "saved". Sounds like a good idea right? You get to go to a nice place called heaven and not hell where you burn for eternity. It's all scare tactics. I don't buy it. mindstorm

The God concept is scary as hell. I think I've seen God and I'm beginning to be afraid of him.

I don't want to live my life knowing there is a God watching everything I do, testing me all the time, punishing me if I behaved badly and reading my mind and thoughts. I want to be free.

The concept of an all-seeing God watching everything I do, testing me all the time, reading my mind and thoughts and punishing me for bad bahavior is a complete antithesis to freedom and democracy and inevitably leads to totalitarianism.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"] First off, if Zeus was indeed God then would not his religion still be around? mindstorm

You might want to do some research before making that claim.

http://www.bookrags.com/news/modern-pagans-honor-zeus-in-athens-moc/

What is odd about it, if I might ask?

First off, if Zeus was indeed God then would not his religion still be around? mindstorm

You might want to do some research before making that claim.

http://www.bookrags.com/news/modern-pagans-honor-zeus-in-athens-moc/