The Other Side of Global Warming - Videos Included!

A lot of you have probably seen "An Inconvenient Truth" with Al Gore. Here is something I watched on CNN about a year ago when the movie first came out. This isn't crap news with boring reporters, trust me. This guy is pretty sarcastic and funny.

Short Version - About 6 Minutes Long

Exposed: The Climate of Fear

Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4Part 5Part 6

Global warming is just a Hoax. XenoNinja

well yes and no. it is WAYYYY over exaggerated by crap like toyota and honda, what with there synergy drives and hybrids and worst of all, al gore.Its no where near as bad as they make it out 2 be but it doesnt mean we arent harming the planet with pollution, over crowding and deforestation

Global warming is just a Hoax. XenoNinja

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

How bout you people actually ignore Al Gore and read up the science communities points.. You know, the people who study this stuff all their lives? Because their views will be just about as no different then Al Gore's,that Global warming is happening that mankind is having a affect on it...

I'll go with the 99% climatologists on global warming.yoshi-lnex

It's not a matter of that it's happening or not, it's how.

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How bout you people actually ignore Al Gore and read up the science communities points.. You know, the people who study this stuff all their lives? Because their views will be just about as no different then Al Gore's,that Global warming is happening that mankind is having a affect on it...

sSubZerOo

You would get manyof the bestscientists saying were not causing it aswell.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. sSubZerOo

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

Okay, maybe not, but like someone said earlier, it's over exaggerated and blown out of proportion.

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How bout you people actually ignore Al Gore and read up the science communities points.. You know, the people who study this stuff all their lives? Because their views will be just about as no different then Al Gore's,that Global warming is happening that mankind is having a affect on it...

mark4091

You would get manyof the bestscientists saying were not causing it aswell.

Yes we are not argueing that, but the vast majority of climatologists have said it is happening.. In those commercials when you see the pescription saying its recommended 9 out of 10 doctors.. That guy is the one doctor the minority... In the end a single person doesn't define the science community but a general consensus on the best explaination.. And the best explaination for the evidence shown is global warming is happening and humanbeings are having an affect on it.

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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. XenoNinja

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

Okay, maybe not, but like someone said earlier, it's over exaggerated and blown out of proportion.

Possibly, possibly not. Put it in this perspective. We have these multi billion dollar fossil fuel corporations making oddles of cash.. Its in their best intentions to continue that flow.. Now if some supposed study was released saying that global warmings is happening and mankind is part of the problem.. And that the best solution is to limit fossil fuels, isn't it in the companies best interests to snuff, discredit, smear, or destroy the claim regardless if its true or not to make profits?

People shouldn't use Al Gore's thing as the facts.. It is merelythe tip of theice berg on awareness to a larger problem.. People need to read up reports from the science community on it.. Because in the end its the most unbias source of information we have, that really can not be smeared in any way shape or form, because its evidence is done with the highest scrutiny possible.

Global warming is just a Hoax. XenoNinja

Nonetheless...Global Warming could be a hoax...but come now, I remember when President Bush supposedly hired a team of scientists to analyze the earth to deem this phenomena a falsity, only to find it's true.

Antarctica is melting, the Arctic Circle is melting, Greenland's melting, the permafrost of Russia is melting (which holds a bunch of methane from the air)...ocean PH levels are rising and so coral reefs are dying...something's warming up and I don't think it my stove.

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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. sSubZerOo

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

Okay, maybe not, but like someone said earlier, it's over exaggerated and blown out of proportion.

Possibly, possibly not. Put it in this perspective. We have these multi billion dollar fossil fuel corporations making oddles of cash.. Its in their best intentions to continue that flow.. Now if some supposed study was released saying that global warmings is happening and mankind is part of the problem.. And that the best solution is to limit fossil fuels, isn't it in the companies best intentions to snuff, discredit, smear, or destroy the claim regardless if its true or not to make profits?

People shouldn't use Al Gore's thing as the facts.. It is merely a ice berg awareness to a larger problem.. People need to read up reports from the science community on it.. Because in the end its the most unbias source of information we have, that really can not be smeared in any way shape or form, because its evidence is done with the highest scrutiny possible.

Please don't be a fool saying the Oil indistry is paying scientists, you can watchone side of the arguement, but to have an opinion on the matter you have to look at the other side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle#Claims_made_in_the_film

take a look at claims made in the film.

I know it's wiki, but I have seen the movie and those were in the movie.

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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. mark4091

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

Okay, maybe not, but like someone said earlier, it's over exaggerated and blown out of proportion.

Possibly, possibly not. Put it in this perspective. We have these multi billion dollar fossil fuel corporations making oddles of cash.. Its in their best intentions to continue that flow.. Now if some supposed study was released saying that global warmings is happening and mankind is part of the problem.. And that the best solution is to limit fossil fuels, isn't it in the companies best intentions to snuff, discredit, smear, or destroy the claim regardless if its true or not to make profits?

People shouldn't use Al Gore's thing as the facts.. It is merely a ice berg awareness to a larger problem.. People need to read up reports from the science community on it.. Because in the end its the most unbias source of information we have, that really can not be smeared in any way shape or form, because its evidence is done with the highest scrutiny possible.

Please don't be a fool saying the Oil indistry is paying scientists, you can watchone side of the arguement, but to have an opinion on the matter you have to look at the other side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle#Claims_made_in_the_film

take a look at claims made in the film.

I know it's wiki, but I have seen the movie and those were in the movie.

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462-climate-change-a-guide-for-the-perplexed.html

Suggest you read that because it goes step by step debunking eveyr major myth that is against Global warming including the majority of the ones stated.. And its from a crediable and reliable site, instead of wikipedia..

[QUOTE="mark4091"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. sSubZerOo

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

Okay, maybe not, but like someone said earlier, it's over exaggerated and blown out of proportion.

Possibly, possibly not. Put it in this perspective. We have these multi billion dollar fossil fuel corporations making oddles of cash.. Its in their best intentions to continue that flow.. Now if some supposed study was released saying that global warmings is happening and mankind is part of the problem.. And that the best solution is to limit fossil fuels, isn't it in the companies best intentions to snuff, discredit, smear, or destroy the claim regardless if its true or not to make profits?

People shouldn't use Al Gore's thing as the facts.. It is merely a ice berg awareness to a larger problem.. People need to read up reports from the science community on it.. Because in the end its the most unbias source of information we have, that really can not be smeared in any way shape or form, because its evidence is done with the highest scrutiny possible.

Please don't be a fool saying the Oil indistry is paying scientists, you can watchone side of the arguement, but to have an opinion on the matter you have to look at the other side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle#Claims_made_in_the_film

take a look at claims made in the film.

I know it's wiki, but I have seen the movie and those were in the movie.

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462-climate-change-a-guide-for-the-perplexed.html

Suggest you read that because it goes step by step debunking eveyr major myth that is against Global warming including the majority of the ones stated.. And its from a crediable and reliable site, instead of wikipedia..

Oh really reliable, another great site that like to beat around the bush, and delete comments of those that argue with them

Great call on the wikipedia, even though I mentioned I could vouch for the page, but if you still don't believe me you could watch the video, they're solar warming page also seems quite flawed.

I guess in the end we will se what happens, the whole global warming thing dropped off the charts, and has only risen again today due to good old gore.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="mark4091"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. mark4091

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

Okay, maybe not, but like someone said earlier, it's over exaggerated and blown out of proportion.

Possibly, possibly not. Put it in this perspective. We have these multi billion dollar fossil fuel corporations making oddles of cash.. Its in their best intentions to continue that flow.. Now if some supposed study was released saying that global warmings is happening and mankind is part of the problem.. And that the best solution is to limit fossil fuels, isn't it in the companies best intentions to snuff, discredit, smear, or destroy the claim regardless if its true or not to make profits?

People shouldn't use Al Gore's thing as the facts.. It is merely a ice berg awareness to a larger problem.. People need to read up reports from the science community on it.. Because in the end its the most unbias source of information we have, that really can not be smeared in any way shape or form, because its evidence is done with the highest scrutiny possible.

Please don't be a fool saying the Oil indistry is paying scientists, you can watchone side of the arguement, but to have an opinion on the matter you have to look at the other side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle#Claims_made_in_the_film

take a look at claims made in the film.

I know it's wiki, but I have seen the movie and those were in the movie.

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462-climate-change-a-guide-for-the-perplexed.html

Suggest you read that because it goes step by step debunking eveyr major myth that is against Global warming including the majority of the ones stated.. And its from a crediable and reliable site, instead of wikipedia..

Oh really reliable, another great site that like to beat around the bush, and delete comments of those that argue with them

Great call on the wikipedia, even though I mentioned I could vouch for the page, but if you still don't believe me you could watch the video, they're solar warming page also seems quite flawed.

I guess in the end we will se what happens, the whole global warming thing dropped off the charts, and has only risen again today due to good old gore.

.......... Yeah clearly because Global Warmings is synomnous with liberal or bush bashing.. In the end the article gives clear concise reasoning with far more sources and explainations then the Wikipedia site gave me.. And please EXPLAIN to every one here why the MAJORITY, not the MINORITY, of the science community have accepted global warming as fact and have said mankind has had some negative affect on it.. Becuase I am lost here, you guys have given no evidnece what so ever that is either solid or not debunked (which teh article went step by step through EVERY one with sited sources)..

Please explain to us all why you think your "evidence" is some how better when the majority of the science community says other wise and have the data and evidence to back it up?

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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. mark4091

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

Okay, maybe not, but like someone said earlier, it's over exaggerated and blown out of proportion.

Possibly, possibly not. Put it in this perspective. We have these multi billion dollar fossil fuel corporations making oddles of cash.. Its in their best intentions to continue that flow.. Now if some supposed study was released saying that global warmings is happening and mankind is part of the problem.. And that the best solution is to limit fossil fuels, isn't it in the companies best intentions to snuff, discredit, smear, or destroy the claim regardless if its true or not to make profits?

People shouldn't use Al Gore's thing as the facts.. It is merely a ice berg awareness to a larger problem.. People need to read up reports from the science community on it.. Because in the end its the most unbias source of information we have, that really can not be smeared in any way shape or form, because its evidence is done with the highest scrutiny possible.

Please don't be a fool saying the Oil indistry is paying scientists, you can watchone side of the arguement, but to have an opinion on the matter you have to look at the other side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle#Claims_made_in_the_film

take a look at claims made in the film.

I know it's wiki, but I have seen the movie and those were in the movie.

No I am by no means saying that Oil industries are paying scientists.. What I will say is they have their hands deep in the pockets of politicians mainly the republican party now.. Isn't it a bit concidential that they are the main party that completely flat out does not accept global warming in any way shape or form?

You're absolutely correct. The majority of scientists say that global warming is real and human have had a negative effect on it. To specify, the majority of those scientists also say that the human effect on global warming is insignificant.

Al Gore, of course, just chose to leave out the second statement.

justlp87

Where are you getting this evidence? Because reliable and crediable organizations such as

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/Fingerprints.html say the complete oppsoite.

This thread is stupidly lacking in actual science.

As in, I think that the general scientific consensus is that sea level could rise by as much as 3 feet. by the year 2100 as a result of global warming.

Here's the thing...that's a specific number. People have actually analyzed craploads of data in order to come up with THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER.

Here's the thing...if global warming is false, can anyone post some equations modeling climate change that show tremperature change and sea level rise during the next 100 years to actually differ from the expected value which is largely accepred?

And for fairness, can someone who believes that global warming is a serious threat post this information? If sea level could rise by 3 feet in the next 100 years, how did you come up with that number?

What I don't understand is why everybody screams at people who question the legitimacy of the global warming scare. Science progresses by people questioning it. 99% of climatologists certainly do not agree on it. There was a massive study done last year in Washington state that over 2,000 respected climatologists signed off on...but it never made any of the major media outlets, because global warming serves their agenda, and the steps required to "prevent" it move us closer to socialism. People who doubt global warming are not to be deemed "stupid", "ignorant", "fools", or anything of the like. They are simply skeptics who are actually making a more informed and cautious decision than you are.

Everything should be questioned, no matter how imminent or impending it seems, and those who question should be respected even if not agreed with.

What I don't understand is why everybody screams at people who question the legitimacy of the global warming scare. Science progresses by people questioning it. 99% of climatologists certainly do not agree on it. There was a massive study done last year in Washington state that over 2,000 respected climatologists signed off on...but it never made any of the major media outlets, because global warming serves their agenda, and the steps required to "prevent" it move us closer to socialism. People who doubt global warming are not to be deemed "stupid", "ignorant", "fools", or anything of the like. They are simply skeptics who are actually making a more informed and cautious decision than you are.

Everything should be questioned, no matter how imminent or impending it seems, and those who question should be respected even if not agreed with.

ROS_stoned_ETTA

And that's why I gave the dissenters a chance to present their stance.

I challenged them with QUANTIFYING the level of sea level rise and temperature rise that will occur, and asked them to present us with the METHOD by which they came up with that specific value. The rest of us can then analyze their equations and discuss any differences in our conclusions.

Sorry, I think that's as fair as you can get. If you don't know enough about the topic to quantify the risks, that's fine. If you don't know enough about the topic to PROVE that other people's quantitative analyses are wrong, then WTF business do you have even discussing this?

Let me get this straight. If global warming is happening, but it's mostly natural, we can just ignore it and go on our merry way? By this rationale it would be ok if an asteroid that's going to hit us. It's natural so we can just ignore it. You can't have it both ways. Either global warming is happening (man made or natural) and it will have bad effects, or it isn't happening and we can keep doing whatever we want.

I'm a pessimist. I believe that it's happening. I also believe that we can't/won't do anything about it until it's much too late. The fact that we're still arguing about this is proof of that.

Let me get this straight. If global warming is happening, but it's mostly natural, we can just ignore it and go on our merry way? By this rationale it would be ok if an asteroid that's going to hit us. It's natural so we can just ignore it. You can't have it both ways. Either global warming is happening (man made or natural) and it will have bad effects, or it isn't happening and we can keep doing whatever we want.

I'm a pessimist. I believe that it's happening. I also believe that we can't/won't do anything about it until it's much too late. The fact that we're still arguing about this is proof of that.

fynne

You're wrong. Global warming is just that...the warming of the globe. We acknowledge that it is happening...but there are 4 possible scenarios here.

1. If it's happening naturally, and it's part of the Earth's cycle, it poses little or no danger to us.

2. If for some reason it's not a cycle, and it's happening naturally, then we're screwed either way, so we might as well have a party and get drunk...but this most likely not the case, it wouldn't really make sense.

3. If humans really are drastically speeding itup, and it's a cycle, then it doesn't matter...because eventually the other foot of the cycle will drop like it would have anyways.

4. This is the bad one. If humans are drastically speeding it up, and it's not just a cycle, then we should do something serious about it. However, there is not nearly enough proof out there to show that this is the case. Otherwise, you wouldn't have so many skeptics both in and out of the scientific community.

Most scientists believe it is 1, 3, or a combination of those two. Some believe it's 4, but certainly not a majority.

BTW, I also agree with you that regardless of which scenario it is, we can't stop it.

What I hate about the "other side" of global warming is that is just people basically trying to validte continuing to do actual harm to the environment & ourselves through pollution on resources we know are finite, instead of pushing harder towards clean solutions. Unfortunately, human nature seems to be to only move to fix things when it's already at the zero hour.Yagami-Iori

I don't care about clean solutions. This whole global warming thing has to much doomsday writing all over it and it seems every generation ever to live, has had a doomsday proclaimer by some guy or a group of people.

The earth heats and cools naturally, looking like a y=sin x or y=cos x graph if you were to correlate it. Some factors do increase of decrease the climate out of it's trend like CO2 emissions but it's nothing on a great scale. Our climate is self correcting.

We were worried about Global cooling 30 years ago and now it's Global Warming which is striking the media today. Of course, news stations won't tell you that because Global Warming is a hot topic which generates viewers on a global scale so it's can only mean higher ratings.

Boooooorriiiinng!

I prefer to live in ignorance. :D:P

Whtat's the point of arguing about it? The world won't do anything serious about this problem before it's too late. There's nothing we can do about it. Instead of worrying about things that are out of anyone's controls, just do whatever. I'm pessemistic, so I just hope I'm dead before the world goes to ****.

BTW, subzero is owning this thread.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. sSubZerOo

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

But there ARE scientists out there who can back up their claims for the scientific inaccuracy of the portrayal of Global Warming by human-kind. What about them?

The earth heats and cools naturally, looking like a y=sin x or y=cos x graph if you were to correlate it. Some factors do increase of decrease the climate out of it's trend like CO2 emissions but it's nothing on a great scale. Our climate is self correcting.

We were worried about Global cooling 30 years ago and now it's Global Warming which is striking the media today. Of course, news stations won't tell you that because Global Warming is a hot topic which generates viewers on a global scale so it's can only mean higher ratings.

Total-KO

This has been explained on countless ocassions why they believed in this and why it was false.. That time in age had the release of immense amount of areosol gases.. That cooled down the enviroment briefly.. But this did nothing for the CO2 build up.. AND NO we can not pump more of that gas in the atmosphere because it destroys ozone.

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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Global warming is just a Hoax. Total-KO

I am sorry Xeno but how can we take you seriously if the majority of scientists that specialize in Climatology say other wise.. They are far more crediable then you, and have shown evidence to back up their conclusions.

In the end this is like having a gym teacher go against the views of the majority of the doctor community when it comes to a health issue..

But there ARE scientists out there who can back up their claims for the scientific inaccuracy of the portrayal of Global Warming by human-kind. What about them?

Give me evidence then, as I said earlier the majority of the science community agrees that global warming is happening and that man has had some affect on it. The way the science community works is the majority/widely accepted explaination is the best explaination out there.. From what I have seen the evidence given has proven more persuasive over all that global warming is indeed happening and mankind is having some effect on it.